Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
- Location
- Liverpool
And thank you faflec, for my pick of the month for new/upgraded quest tag.
I am very looking forward to an upside of FOOMing being that Jonin auras is one of the first things we don't need to worry as much about.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
So here's the the plan: We stack the deck by figuring out as many aspects we can either tag or invoke as possible, before the fight.
Do you know why?
Because Keiko has 17 FP to burn from the days when she got FP every time Self-Loathing stopped her from doing something. Every one of those FP is a potential +5. She is fully capable of OTKOing this guy.
Do you know why?
Because Keiko has 17 FP to burn from the days when she got FP every time Self-Loathing stopped her from doing something. Every one of those FP is a potential +5. She is fully capable of OTKOing this guy.
- Location
- Yes.
And also having Hazou and Noburi (and SCs) create Aspects for Keiko to use.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Keiko's low-key kinda scary, isn't she?
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
HAGOROMO: We now come to the conclusion of this combined Leaf/Isan traditional wedding which we are totally performing of our own free will. Gōketsu Hazō, I see you are wearing red and green at the wedding ceremony of your own will. Do I take it that you are doing so as an expression of your feelings towards the bride?
YUNO: [shakes head urgently]
HAZŌ: [not noticing] I guess so? I mean, coming to a wedding in clan formalwear is how you're supposed to show respect at these things, right?
HAGOROMO: Then Gōketsu Hazō, Gasai Yuno, by the authority vested in me by the Will of Fire, I hereby pronounce you husband and wife.
HAZŌ/YUNO: ?!
HAGOROMO: Incidentally, the ban on weddings also applies to divorces.
HAZŌ/YUNO: ...
HAGOROMO: However, Yuno, you still have the special dispensation. If you should happen to find yourself tragically widowed any time soon, we will be happy to arrange a swift remarriage.
HAZŌ: Don't worry, Yuno, I'm sure we can... Yuno? Yuno, please put Satsuko down. Noburi, help!
HAGOROMO: Did I mention we also do funerals and clan head investiture ceremonies? Order now and receive a 30% discount.
NOBURI: Hazō, I promise we'll remember you as a hero.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
MARI: Well... I always knew this would happen. Hazou always was a few kunai short of a full loadout when it comes to things like this. No offense, Akane.
AKANE: Oh no, I'm with you.
HAZOU (dodging in the background): Would you please stop speaking as though I'm dead!
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I mean... Do you not expect the Hag to do something petty or underhanded to poison this well, too? Because I do. They're only doing the ceremony to keep a veneer of moral high ground (well that's what they'll tell themselves, it's mostly to keep Tsunade off their backs). The Hag are going to do as much as they possibly can to rub it in our faces, without rendering the ceremony (and thereby, their religious authority) null and void via their own undermining.
Honestly, if they're upset enough (or if the priest they get to do it is upset enough) I could see him going that route anyway, regardless of the threat of Tsunade. Hell, that might spur them onward, since they feel like they're championing a "moral, spiritual cause" or whatever. Martyrdom exists, after all.
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Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
If you could just auto-incapacitate groups of people by psychically smashing them with your Intimidation stat, then the world would look very differently than it does IMO.
(This would be much more of an obvious and well known strategy, for example, to the point where we would've known to spec into it 200-300 chapters ago.)
- Location
- NY
How does that square with the times we've actually experienced a jonin aura and it was exactly that? Moreover, the phenomena of 1 jonin being able to beat a whole pile of chunin...would also be explained by that.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Why would this happen in all cases?
I note that Hana wasn't instantly flattened by Jiraiya for example (despite the obvious power differential), and the lack of mooks just being OHKO'd by this in BotG implies it as well (why would you waste time dealing with rabble when you can just have Orochimaru wiggle his eyebrows at them and have them all fall down en masse).
This clearly isn't a world where this is a tenable strategy in live combat for Jonin on average, or ninja in general, because we would have already known this to be the case, no? It wouldn't be this weird mysterious thing that we would have to consult older characters about, it would just be something they'd tell you about in addition to fireball throwing and how to snap people's necks quietly.
Maybe jonin aura means you have to actually feel strong personal emotions towards the person? Or that they're involved in something personally important to you? Or that it drastically slows your combat reflexes? Or that in order to release it you have to stand still and focus? Or that if it's very focused enough to be dangerous, it can only target one person?
I'm trying to square that with the whole "it just means your full of self that leaks out sometimes." But the issue is we have absolutely no clue what exactly a jonin aura is, how it works, if or how it affects combat, etc.
I agree with MMKII about the combat thing by the way - what are some of the times we've felt jonin auras? Zabuza in Mist, which vanished once he entered combat with Jiraiya. Also only targeted us, not anyone else in the room. Tsunade's actually affected Mari, which is all kinds of crazy, but that was in a room. Asuma sort of unreleased his once to make a point that we should respect him/take him seriously.
No idea how they interact either - does having one automatically mean you're buffered against them? Do you have to consciously release them, meaning you could take someone out of commission? But Tsunade and Mari again.
Remember also that Mist's jonin force got taken out by at least partially some senior ANBU chunin who could still fight, and we didn't see jonin aura at the very first chapter of the story melee, although that could be early installment weirdness.
Current running theory is therefore
-They can only target one person at a time
--unless released in a more diffuse cloud of "self"
-Releasing them isn't free
--either requires extreme focus, causes a relaxation of combat reflexes potentially fatal unless your opponent is a genin, or something else
And most importantly:
It's possible you can't use them if there's a lot of chakra in the air as it diffuses the aura
!!! This actually seems likely - it's why you can't use it in combat
Also, there's likely some component of presence or body language or something that still allows Kage or high-level jonin to be intimidating as hell even when they're not releasing their jonin aura.
I also doubt that it's as natural to release and hard to keep in as people say. That doesn't jive with how rarely it's used, and I doubt that every jonin has perfect control over theirs such that it never leaks. Also, we should consider that normal jonin might not have it - only elite jonin or special cases such as Ami or Haru.
I'm trying to square that with the whole "it just means your full of self that leaks out sometimes." But the issue is we have absolutely no clue what exactly a jonin aura is, how it works, if or how it affects combat, etc.
I agree with MMKII about the combat thing by the way - what are some of the times we've felt jonin auras? Zabuza in Mist, which vanished once he entered combat with Jiraiya. Also only targeted us, not anyone else in the room. Tsunade's actually affected Mari, which is all kinds of crazy, but that was in a room. Asuma sort of unreleased his once to make a point that we should respect him/take him seriously.
No idea how they interact either - does having one automatically mean you're buffered against them? Do you have to consciously release them, meaning you could take someone out of commission? But Tsunade and Mari again.
Remember also that Mist's jonin force got taken out by at least partially some senior ANBU chunin who could still fight, and we didn't see jonin aura at the very first chapter of the story melee, although that could be early installment weirdness.
Current running theory is therefore
-They can only target one person at a time
--unless released in a more diffuse cloud of "self"
-Releasing them isn't free
--either requires extreme focus, causes a relaxation of combat reflexes potentially fatal unless your opponent is a genin, or something else
And most importantly:
It's possible you can't use them if there's a lot of chakra in the air as it diffuses the aura
!!! This actually seems likely - it's why you can't use it in combat
Also, there's likely some component of presence or body language or something that still allows Kage or high-level jonin to be intimidating as hell even when they're not releasing their jonin aura.
I also doubt that it's as natural to release and hard to keep in as people say. That doesn't jive with how rarely it's used, and I doubt that every jonin has perfect control over theirs such that it never leaks. Also, we should consider that normal jonin might not have it - only elite jonin or special cases such as Ami or Haru.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
We definitely need to just test it out by sparring with Mari while she uses it. Jonin aura could be anywhere from useless in combat to something that is almost solely responsible for jonin being able to wipe the floor with so many chunin. It doesn't seem like we have enough data to know for sure until we test it.
- Location
- Europe
Pankurashun disabled two people with his Intimidation.
Jonin aura might be more complex, but Hagoromo can do something like this, even before the actual fight starts.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
This implies that Intimidation is actually the most overpowered stat, if one could just force an Intimidation vs Resolve roll consistently en masse.
I'm not sure how I feel about this, since it means that points spent towards combat stats are somewhat meaningless.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
- Location
- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
Just throwing out some ideas for the duel:
- Have all participants overcharged on Nobby's water before we start.
- Locate and/or plant substitution targets in the area. Have all but a select few trapped (targets themselves plus area around them) and force the enemy team to substitute into that area via large scale bombardment or area denial via the bigger summons.
- Experiment with Mari's Jonin aura. Does it still work if you shut off your senses? Have Hazou close his eyes, plug his ears etc, see what works.
- Have all participants overcharged on Nobby's water before we start.
- Locate and/or plant substitution targets in the area. Have all but a select few trapped (targets themselves plus area around them) and force the enemy team to substitute into that area via large scale bombardment or area denial via the bigger summons.
- Experiment with Mari's Jonin aura. Does it still work if you shut off your senses? Have Hazou close his eyes, plug his ears etc, see what works.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I'd like to point out that you're assuming Jonin Auras are safe to experiment with, or at the they're able to, consciously, be used at non-full. We don't know if they're safe to experiment with and the only times we've seen jonin auras that weren't at max was when the jonin in question began to get upset (Ami, Itachi, and Asuma). One could make the argument that, as upset as they were, the non-full-blast-aura was because they weren't focused on restraining it (maybe it's an "always on" thing that they have to consciously keep suppressed, like sucking in your diaphragm).
We could ask Mari about it and then ask to spar with her as training practice. We could see how Hazou measures up to a social spec jonin while also learning if jonin-auras are combat applicable.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Shouldn't be necessary, we can just have a shadow clone or two filled up and ready to pop.
- Location
- United States
Actually, do you remember the Third Hokage's Jonin aura when we first met him? It was designed to make him feel like a trustworthy, and caring grandpa figure. He had an incredible amount of control over his jonin aura, although I recognize it's possible that he was just exceptional in that regard.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I remember that we asked whether the Hokage's aura was a "Jonin thing or a Hokage thing" or something like that. Didn't we get the response that it was Hokage-specific?