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They are intentionally sabotaging the alliance with Isan
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
Why would they know anything about Isan?
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They are keeping Noburi and Yuno from marrying. Which is one of the most important cards we are going to play
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That doesn't imply anything about knowledge of Isan.
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True but Kiba was responding to my quote which also has nothing to do with Knowledge of Isan
Hiashi was Hokage when she showed up. He intentionally set her up with Neji so the Hyuuga could be the lynchpin to the alliance with a sudden new ally.
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If we do this, and I say that we should, we need to be stealthy. It's not enough that there should be no evidence, there shouldn't even be the suspicion that the Goketsu were connected to the fall of the Hagoromo.
There's no due process and there are no Miranda Rights in the Leaf. Sure, Asuma has to keep the clans happy, but the Goketsu clan doesn't have much pull, and most of our favors were spent getting Hazou out of his most recent killbox. Some clans would probably be in favor of getting rid of us, no matter the excuse needed to do so.
We need to make sure that this cannot be traced back to us, even in the most tangential of ways.
There's no due process and there are no Miranda Rights in the Leaf. Sure, Asuma has to keep the clans happy, but the Goketsu clan doesn't have much pull, and most of our favors were spent getting Hazou out of his most recent killbox. Some clans would probably be in favor of getting rid of us, no matter the excuse needed to do so.
We need to make sure that this cannot be traced back to us, even in the most tangential of ways.
The goal is to have our family and friends happy, not to destroy a clan for being bigots.
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Multiple motivations can exist for a single action and most of the time do.
I think of revenge as illegitimate goals.
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This isn't about revenge. If they where not actively hurting leaf I would be ok with just working around them. Since they are trying to endanger our home with there bigotry they get destroyed to send a message
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Requesting explanation.
You exaggerate. I find puntitive attitude and overreactions to problems troubling.
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Well I find compromising with bigots who endanger national security also troubling. So everything is all equal in this conversation
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Can you expand on this? I am failing to make the connection between them slighting one of our family and actively endangering Leaf.
"Destroying" a clan for doing this is disproportionate retribution in the very extreme, and while I can understand the need to defend our family, I do not share the attitude of escalating this quickly.
Think about it: we have to work with Leaf clans in the future and even those that do not always agree with us. We don't want to be known as a volatile clan that will turn on others for the smallest of slights, especially when we can't do it for the bigger and more powerful clans. We need to come across as reliable and trustworthy to be appealing to allies. And yes, showing teeth and not rolling over is part of this - when appropriate. But this isn't it.
And no, trying to be clever and not letting it get traced back to us will not work (plus it wouldn't "send a message"). It doesn't take Nara level intellect to infer who would be responsible about ruining a clan that refused to officiate a wedding for the Goketsu.
If bigots don't know any better, then they should be educated. You escalated toward the destruction of a clan just because some members hold bigoted views and didn't know any better.
And, oh, I am not talking about compromising with bigots.
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I think it's pretty much undeniable that if the Hagoromo could be erased from Leaf it would be a net positive. We just need to make sure that the process of removing them isn't more damaging to Leaf in the long run..
Disportionate retribution doesn't really help with the uplift message. Beside, destroying a clan implies making whole families poorer or dead just because elders are bigots.
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So what should we do? How would you like to deal with this situation?
To me this reads as, "this was genocide because they pursued the children who knew nothing important when they could have focused on the adults, some of whom survived."
I love 80s movies as much as the next recursively self-reflective agent, but I refuse to believe that a group of scrappy youths survived a guerilla civil war in an urban environment against an overwhelming force of elite scouts and fighters, each of whom could casually see literally anything for literally miles around them. Some adults must have survived, and they must know some pretty hefty limits to the Hyuuga blood-limit for anybody to have survived.
We should tap them for help, and then we'll know exactly what not to do.
-because the bastards have already betrayed us once to side with the Hyuuga. Whatever the opinion of the uninculcated younger generation, the elders are clearly as pragmatic and ruthless as Hinata and she will have seen that move coming. If by some dark miracle I'm wrong and it wouldn't get back to her we can ask Mari to ensure some sort of plausible leak. Thinking she's a move ahead Hinata will shift her pieces out of position while we flank her.
The question is, what flank? I seem to recall that they are actually in pretty dire financial straits after committing to get the turtle scroll and losing both the Hokage salary and most of their jounin. I also recall that they seem to be by far most heavily invested in luxury goods, which are in low demand during hard times.
Gee, what would go well with a chocolate empire?
We need to find an independent clan to coordinate with on this. Ideally one with even more clout than even the Hyuuga.
Gee, which higher founder clan has a sympathetic and widely beloved bisexual matron in charge who likes weddings and open bars?
For that matter, which higher founder clan is hosting and housing the new KEI clan and clearly under the thumb of the omnipotent sister of the wife to the head of the most important combined trio of clans in Leaf?
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Destroy the clan, not its people. Remove all their influence on Leaf society and integrate them into the new.