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Why, if I may ask?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Mostly as a safe haven against any future confrontation. If all of Gōketsu can bounce to prepared base in another dimension our safety increases dramatically.
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How would we enforce her promise to never become a summoner?
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By claiming all the scrolls without summoners. If she does then learn she will have to kill another essie which even with FOOM is not a sure thing
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Sure, why not, done.
- Summoning Scrolls hunts: Good idea, but I don't think it's the time to bring that up. We'll roll that into "major favours" during the actual discussion with Ami.
- Ban on learning Summoning: Mmm, I'm not sure I see the point. If Ami somehow goes double-FOOM despite our precautions and takes over the EN, she'll be able to get us on the Seventh Path too, through other Summoners. If she doesn't, our bases with our respective clans would be fairly safe whether she has a Scroll or not. Because of that, and because Summoning doesn't synergize with FOOM the same way Sealing/TH/MN do, this will just look like we're trying to arbitrarily limit her for no reason.
- If we're going this road, it might be better to just stipulate that she'll be training according to our training regimen, optimized for increasing her survivability without making her a major threat to us. But it'll be a harder sell, which translates into her owing us less favours, which means less ability to use her for Summoning Scrolls hunts and the like.
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[x] Action Plan: The Logistics of Apotheosis by Recursive Self-Improvement
Much happier with the plan now. The 'calculations' line seems a little weird still, given that Hazou strictly speaking doesn't even know FOOM works except by a general-principle argument that mental fortitude ought to be as uncapped as taijutsu skill, but it doesn't sound like a big deal.
Much happier with the plan now. The 'calculations' line seems a little weird still, given that Hazou strictly speaking doesn't even know FOOM works except by a general-principle argument that mental fortitude ought to be as uncapped as taijutsu skill, but it doesn't sound like a big deal.
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I more mean that we would hav acquired all of them as an additional pre-condition to telling Ami about FOOM. This could be with or without her help.
As long as Ami not having information to find unclaimed scroll I would be fine with removing the condition on her not learning summoning
Add the koi pond.
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I still don't see how summon scrolls protect us from Ami in any meaningful way.
She's social-spec, so what we'd have to worry about are a) Ami out-socialing us until we're puppets on her strings, or b) Ami turning organizations against us.
a) is irrelevant to the Summoner topic, and b) doesn't seem to help, because if we're cornered by an organization and need to evac to 7Path they'd be able to trap the exit point and force us to stay on 7Path forever.
And she couldn't really do much to get at us on 7Path, because we'd have an entire Clan standing behind us if Ami tries to marshal her own Clan to arms.
Can you provide a direct example of what threat you think Ami might pose that makes this important?
She's social-spec, so what we'd have to worry about are a) Ami out-socialing us until we're puppets on her strings, or b) Ami turning organizations against us.
a) is irrelevant to the Summoner topic, and b) doesn't seem to help, because if we're cornered by an organization and need to evac to 7Path they'd be able to trap the exit point and force us to stay on 7Path forever.
And she couldn't really do much to get at us on 7Path, because we'd have an entire Clan standing behind us if Ami tries to marshal her own Clan to arms.
Can you provide a direct example of what threat you think Ami might pose that makes this important?
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So my primary concern with this (and the plan as a whole, to a lesser extent) is that I feel we're...jumping the gun, with this talk. Keiko's already offered to have us give a conversation with Ami in an effort to figure out her motives, and while I doubt we'd be able to truly figure them out from that conversation (blah blah Jonin social-spec blah blah), I do feel that we should at least have that conversation first. Doing this now, especially phrased in this way...it makes me feel that we don't trust Ami, that any acts of us sharing the secret of FOOM with her can only be done with the threat of force to ensure no backstabbing can occur without catastrophic consequence, and more importantly nothing can convince us that Ami can be trusted. While I do agree that trusting Ami, especially as we are now, is unwise, put this way I struggle to understand why we are bothering to consider offering Ami FOOM at all. But having this conversation after we at least make the effort to learn Ami's motivations via conversation makes much more sense: we've put in the effort to figure her out in truth, feel that this is impossible, and therefore having counter-balance makes cluing her in viable.
Relatively minor quibbles:
- I would like to ask that you say "clue her in" instead of "include her", as the current phrasing suggests that our primary concerns are with giving her all the resources needed for her to FOOM, as opposed to her knowing at all about FOOM, and soon after getting SC/a Wakahisa to FOOM without our input. Which I think is entirely possible for Ami to do.
- I am also concerned that "a jounin social-spec" is underselling the level of threat a fully-FOOMed Ami could be to even many S-class ninja. Perhaps change that to compare things to Pein (e.g., "effectively a mind-controller against anyone lesser than Pein's level of social acumen")?
I think it's the most important thing we can do, so I would like the bullet point to be moved to top level.
We aren't going to commit treason by teaching her SC?
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[X] Action Plan: The Days Before The Journey
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I don't really feel like spending hours trying to justify my concerns to you. This is something that would me feel safer and isn't a huge concession. If people don't agree with me fine.
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I have a pretty big suggestion for the summoner meetings but won be able to get to it till later tonight tomorrow morning but I think it will work really well
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That would be beautiful, yes; I'm afraid to add too much onto the section due to how little information we have on these people beyond what affiliations they have (and the generalizations one can infer from that).
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It feels like a decently large ask to me, given that there's no guarantee we'll find all of the summon scrolls, let alone in a reasonable timeframe, and asking Ami to not become a summoner would, as mentioned, cut into the favors received. And right now I'm relatively unconvinced that the asks would actually make us safer, so bar further argumentation I'll have to just land on the 'disagree' side, sorry.
But what about seal research?
There's a lot to like about this plan, but I do have some comments and suggestions.
- I think it's fine to leave the Akane stuff for after the mine, although I would caution against leaving her out without talking to her.
- I agree that we need to talk to the new summoners about our plan, but if we're doing it before the iron mine, what's our motivation for doing it? I don't think it's necessary to do it immediately unless you add in something about wanting them to think about it and prepare themselves before the meeting.
- We should talk to Mari about the chocolate. This is something we can delegate to her and/or Gaku before we leave, and, unlike the summoners, is time-sensitive. Unless you have compelling reasoning otherwise, I think these should be switched.
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[x] Action Plan: The Logistics of Apotheosis by Recursive Self-Improvement
[X] Training Keiko: FOOM
I really don't wanna talk about Ami SC before she meets us so will be voting for any plans I find passable for now.
[X] Action Plan: The Days Before The Journey
[X] It's An Emergency, Mr. Hokage.
[X] Introduce Candoru to Fifi
[X] Try to find out anything interesting happening W.R.T. reconstruction, Rock Diplomacy.
[X] Action Plan: Talk with Akane, again.
I really don't wanna talk about Ami SC before she meets us so will be voting for any plans I find passable for now.
[X] Action Plan: The Days Before The Journey
[X] It's An Emergency, Mr. Hokage.
[X] Introduce Candoru to Fifi
[X] Try to find out anything interesting happening W.R.T. reconstruction, Rock Diplomacy.
[X] Action Plan: Talk with Akane, again.
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