That doesn't work for me. It cuts out of the entire decision making process. By doing it this way we still have all of our options open
Right, so you want to have the agency of being part of the decision-making process, but what exactly is the decision we want to make? We get the land, we get (presumably) a position of strength in negotiations with the Amori, then...? I'm kinda drawing a blank, it feels like we're just doing things step by step and not thinking ahead to what we ultimately want out of the Amori. Yes, part of that is because we don't really know much about them, but surely there must be something...

Would adding, say, "We want to establish leverage and gain the superior position in a relationship with the Amori" work? Or something along those lines? It would let Mari know what our goals are in getting the land, which is what I'd want.
 
Right, so you want to have the agency of being part of the decision-making process, but what exactly is the decision we want to make? We get the land, we get (presumably) a position of strength in negotiations with the Amori, then...? I'm kinda drawing a blank, it feels like we're just doing things step by step and not thinking ahead to what we ultimately want out of the Amori. Yes, part of that is because we don't really know much about them, but surely there must be something...

Would adding, say, "We want to establish leverage and gain the superior position in a relationship with the Amori" work? Or something along those lines? It would let Mari know what our goals are in getting the land, which is what I'd want.
Another adoption slot.
 
Another adoption slot.

How about "instruct Mari to utilize the information about the Kurusu's land and the Amori's grapes to gain another adoption slot?" Honestly I think there's potential here to just use this knowledge here to get the slot or whatever else. More of a consultant than a middleman, if you will, or perhaps a broker.
 
How about "instruct Mari to utilize the information about the Kurusu's land and the Amori's grapes to gain another adoption slot?" Honestly I think there's potential here to just use this knowledge here to get the slot or whatever else. More of a consultant than a middleman, if you will, or perhaps a broker.

I preferred being paid in adoption slot, ryo second.
 
I agree that the adoption slot is better than money. If we only make them pay with the adoption slot, Mari may even be able to convince them that it's a really good deal since they aren't paying money. That could possibly lead to closer relations between the two clans.
 
If your going to tell Keiko about FOOM you should probably tell Shikimaru as well.

Hes got more experience with the practical difficulties of it, and testing Kiekos loyalty is kind of a bad move.
 
Another adoption slot.
How about "instruct Mari to utilize the information about the Kurusu's land and the Amori's grapes to gain another adoption slot?" Honestly I think there's potential here to just use this knowledge here to get the slot or whatever else. More of a consultant than a middleman, if you will, or perhaps a broker.

@Oneiros something like this works for me, but I would suggest we up the ante to "One of their yearly adoption slots for the next several years (including one now) xor two slots for this year and two for next or (however much Mari can wring out of them along these lines)."

This way we stand to gain more than just the one slot, if they really really want the land.
 
@Oneiros something like this works for me, but I would suggest we up the ante to "One of their yearly adoption slots for the next several years (including one now) xor two slots for this year and two for next or (however much Mari can wring out of them along these lines)."

This way we stand to gain more than just the one slot, if they really really want the land.
This seems reasonable, though I'd point out that we'd have to give Mari more leeway since we don't know how much they actually want the land.

Maybe throw in some lesser-but-still-useful things like seals or jutsu or something? I dunno, that seems like we're adding a lot to the plan and I don't know how much Oneiros wants to add to that section.
 
This seems reasonable, though I'd point out that we'd have to give Mari more leeway since we don't know how much they actually want the land.
If they don't want the land *that* much, then when we get their response back we can just offer them the land in return for something else or up the ante if their counteroffer is reasonable.
 
@Oneiros something like this works for me, but I would suggest we up the ante to "One of their yearly adoption slots for the next several years (including one now) xor two slots for this year and two for next or (however much Mari can wring out of them along these lines)."

We could throw that as a suggestion to Mari? Something like "trade the land for their adoption slot, or even one of their slots for the next few years, if possible." And then authorize Mari to negotiate with a maximum cap of [x] amount of resources (seals, money, favors, etc). Mari's a far better negotiator than Hazou is and will no doubt get better results than if we try to micromanage her haggling. If we give her a goal (adoption slots) and authorization (land, money, whatever) then she'll chart the path that works best.

Side note, is anyone else kinda feeling like we're giving away sealing stuff too freely? I mean, maybe it's just from the recent competition, but I worry that (between our trade deal where we gave away a box of Jiraiya's stuff, the competition, and now the Nara having Kagome's kunai-trap seal that they'll no doubt try to recreate) we're burning through our unique resources too quickly.
 
We could throw that as a suggestion to Mari? Something like "trade the land for their adoption slot, or even one of their slots for the next few years, if possible." And then authorize Mari to negotiate with a maximum cap of [x] amount of resources (seals, money, favors, etc). Mari's a far better negotiator than Hazou is and will no doubt get better results than if we try to micromanage her haggling. If we give her a goal (adoption slots) and authorization (land, money, whatever) then she'll chart the path that works best.

Side note, is anyone else kinda feeling like we're giving away sealing stuff too freely? I mean, maybe it's just from the recent competition, but I worry that (between our trade deal where we gave away a box of Jiraiya's stuff, the competition, and now the Nara having Kagome's kunai-trap seal that they'll no doubt try to recreate) we're burning through our unique resources too quickly.

Are we going to get to those sealing notes on our own, ever? If it's not game changing enough or isn't our shortlist of seals to learn, we should trade it away.
 
Rank of stuff we want in term of resources:

Legitimacy, adoptions, people, knowledge, favors, info, and money.

Money is the bottom of the barrel in our list of want/desire/need. We got a ton of it.
 
Rank of stuff we want in term of resources:

Legitimacy, adoptions, people, knowledge, favors, info, and money.

Money is the bottom of the barrel in our list of want/desire/need. We got a ton of it.

How should we go about trying to get more legitimacy? We're the clan that was founded by the Jiraiya of the Sannin, we're his adopted child, we're a sealmaster so that sort of follows in Jiraiya's footsteps, we're a clan that has three Summoners which also does the same thing, and Akane is being trained by Tsunade. The only other way I can think of to gain more legitimacy is to either start trade deals with some of the more established ninja clans (the hyuuga need money, the Yamanaka might be open to the therapy/psych knowledge thing, and the Akimichi might be open to the citrus trade), or have Hazou marry someone for political reasons but Mari's already said that doing so isn't strictly necessary right now --though I admit that Mari might've just said that because she's aware of just how lucky she was (in that her marriage was a political one that turned into a loving one) and wants to spare Hazou the potential heartbreak.

...I suppose we could do some public works? Maybe make public fountains a la Rome to help cool the Leaf in the summer? Do the same for outlying towns in Fire as we help build walls? It'd help keep them cool while providing easy access to water. And we could add "fertilize the farm soil of Fire hamlets" to the standard Till'n'Fill missions?

As you can see, the chocolate monopoly is producing nicely, although we expect it to break in another month or so.
The financial projections are on the third page. If things don't improve quickly, the Jaybird will be out of business in two weeks.

As for money, our temporary monopoly gave us a pretty big boost --large enough that we're probably set until we decided to get the mining town up and running --but in a month, we won't have the torrential influx that we do now. So while money isn't a main concern, it's something we should keep an eye on.

I think we should bump the foundation of the mining town up --once we get Asuma's approval. We could probably set things up to run in the background while we go chakra hunting. We could pay for missions to clear out the mine and the surrounding area of chakra beasts, pay to clear the land where the town would be on, set up a mission to throw up MEW walls around the rough perimeter of where the town would be (maybe supplement the granite walls with a layer of wood, or perhaps use the lumber to begin construction of homes?).
 
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I think we should bump the foundation of the mining town up --once we get Asuma's approval. We could probably set things up to run in the background while we go chakra hunting. We could pay for missions to clear out the mine and the surrounding area of chakra beasts, pay to clear the land where the town would be on, set up a mission to throw up MEW walls around the rough perimeter of where the town would be (maybe supplement the granite walls with a layer of wood, or perhaps use the lumber to begin construction of homes?).
We should probably start out with sending a team out to prospect the area, maybe do some monster clearing along the way. Something something explosives
 
Right, so you want to have the agency of being part of the decision-making process, but what exactly is the decision we want to make? We get the land, we get (presumably) a position of strength in negotiations with the Amori, then...? I'm kinda drawing a blank, it feels like we're just doing things step by step and not thinking ahead to what we ultimately want out of the Amori. Yes, part of that is because we don't really know much about them, but surely there must be something...

Would adding, say, "We want to establish leverage and gain the superior position in a relationship with the Amori" work? Or something along those lines? It would let Mari know what our goals are in getting the land, which is what I'd want.

The thing is this is larger than the scope of this plan. I'm totally on board with any potential path we choose to pick but we should wait until the next plan cycle for when we can really focus on it
 
Questions from Discord:

> Should prob talk to Mari whether abolishing merchant counci is a good idea too

Mari: It is not. Far better to have them authorizing us to do whatever we want and stopping everyone else from doing what we don't want.

> Who has the chocolate? Civilians merchants? Foreign Yakuza? Foreign clans?

Until it's fully harvested, the chocolate is in the hands of civilian farmers employed by merchants. Those people might or might not be ruled by ninja or have ninja superiors.
 
[X] Training Akane: Shadow Clone

If we assume Akane focused on SC this whole time, we could figure out the date Akane hit 1h clones and use that to help estimate how much her clones are helping Kagome decode.
 
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