Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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oh no
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What does this refer to?
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Lovely that Ami gets credit for making the same 7th path peace plan we did and doesn't get told it's impracticable
Noumero
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It's an MfD Discord meme. Over the course of the last few months, there's been a pattern: we would start discussing some potential high-impact plot (such as the Shadow Clone Singularity), the subject of OPSEC would come up, we'd start discussing potential threats, Ami would come up as a severe danger to said OPSEC, and we would start discussing the rationale of preemptively assassinating her. Thus the meme was born, as coined by @MadScientist: "any sufficiently productive discussion inescapably arrives at the conclusion that Ami Mori needs to die".
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Yeah, Ami, for all her problems, wants us alive by virtue of being Keiko's brother, who's could possibly save our ass if Grandmaster F missive goes public? Ami, this is who. Also we need to at least fake it to not irreparably damage our relationship with her. I'm not saying to help her, but we need to at least:
1)Collect Intel
2)Prepare something for Keiko
3)Consider the alternative possibilities aside from "Ami is going to die".
So....Mist roadtrip?
1)Collect Intel
2)Prepare something for Keiko
3)Consider the alternative possibilities aside from "Ami is going to die".
So....Mist roadtrip?
Impractical? Asuma didn't say it's impractical, he just hates Rock more than peace.
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As of right now, probably not; sounds like work. Mood might shift over the next few days.
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Well. That's a little worrying. Akane seems to have forgotten that her main concern was that she'd be swallowed up in Hazou's grand ambitions. There's also the fact that Hazou hasn't really done much thinking, at least "on screen," about what he wants from a relationship, as per Mari's advice. The "treat people like people" issue was a secondary problem. I mean, it was a big one, but still a secondary one. I think that time and circumstance have made Akane forget this issue, or at least forget how much of an issue that it was for her.
I, personally, worry that if Hazou rekindles a relationship with Akane, these two things will fundamentally undermine whatever hope they might have for a long term relationship. And I'm not just saying that because Akane isn't my preferred love interest for Hazou. I just think that Akane and Hazou haven't really discussed what they want out of a future together. Hazou wants to achieve Uplift and, while Akane believes in Uplift, she doesn't seem to want to be consumed by that goal.
Getting back together with Akane feels a little premature right now. If Hazou gets back with Akane at all, I think they'd first need to sit down --together and separately --and have some long, potentially awkward/painful conversations.
Well, Norburi wanted those fish, right? Time to gather our shit, leave some plans, and then go make sure Ami's back while doing some preliminary scouting for the koi. I mean, Keiko would likely want us to, anyway... though I'm not sure how that would work while also getting EJ his beach chapter. Maybe some off-screen preparation?
Cariyaga
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Besides, Velorien intended to do the Sasuke thing.
[X] Timeskip Plan: Let's do the timewarp again
[X] Timeskip Plan: Let's do the timewarp again
- Timeskip to either the end of the contest or the end of Hazou's consequence, whichever is sooner. The following are good to cover, but unnecessary; feel free to write them as you wish freely between the two of you:
- Get Kagome's sealing students some research experience; suggest Nara sound seals. Talk with them.
- Talk to either Mari or Akane (or both) about the Chekov's sword that is her feelings for him.
- Tell Haru he did good.
- Spend time with team uplift (individually, or as a whole)
- Montage of training Ebisu's clanless for the competition with Asuma
- Turning in the remainder of Jiraiya's notes, now that Naruto's around to give those that belong to him to. (This frees up Kagome's time a bit.)
- [Velorien scenes he has an idea of]
- Skyslider progress reports and development
- Hang out with Lee (kid needs support).
- Buy land, prepare it for farming, and return it to Leaf.
- Test and submit use of 5SB for building stability if not done already.
- Try growing plants with Jiraiya's Daybright seals.
- Spend time with Minori.
- Arrange in concert with Keiko and Mari for a letter to be sent to Ren in MIst complaining about her presence in Leaf, to give her reason to return Ami.
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Wouldn't that give Ren incentive to keep Ami out? If an ambassador isn't well liked in the country she's sent to, then she can't do an effective job and should be replaced?
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Well, it's Ami the ones that is telling us this, of course she think it can work. In my opinion Ami's peace plan is...well, extremely naive and probably destined to failure?
She's liable to use it to kill her regardless of what we send without intel: "Oh look, you're offending our allies" vs "You're helping our enemies instead of making Mist the greater power?"
Cariyaga
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This is ninja-ambassadorhood, not regular ambassadorhood.
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So yeah, Ami knew this was happening. She starts dangling one of our long term objectives in front of our face, and then she is suddenly interrupted in the middle of describing how to achieve it? She knew that was happening, and is trying to increase the odds that we will help her out.
Of course, the last time we assumed she needed our help, she was so insulted she laughed in our face. Granted, this is much more obvious than last time.
Of course, the last time we assumed she needed our help, she was so insulted she laughed in our face. Granted, this is much more obvious than last time.
interesting considering that pangolins hate condors for supposedly betraying alliances
wat will the alliance do if clans refuse to join? attack them? i worry it'll invoke the rage of Grandmaster F if the Mara go that route
dating akane could make it hard to bind ami to hazou, if she has a romantic interest
if ami has trouble in Mist, i don't think it'll be from the mizukage. Ren's lack of punching skills will weaken her kage respect. And Ami will be the one to have built much of Ren's political power.
i'd say the orochimaru scene was even more obvious. and she was able to find a solution, although maybe she did want help
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I'm confused, because when we proposed our plan to Keiko she rebuffed us because she didn't want to take part in it because it would require her to be directly responsible for an even larger weapons trade that she knows (from personal experience) has already led to the enslavement and cultural genocide of an entire species (or two, dunno what's going on with the Hyenas). And from Ami's description, she was focused more on building alliances based on location and Human Path allegiances, as well as economic trade. NOT the trade of seals and other weapons, which was perhaps the main selling point of our proposal. Ami certainly points out the military power such alliances would bring, as well as that being a reason for alliances being formed, but she doesn't go so far as to discuss selling military power in the form of seals or similar. She doesn't seem to mention that at all.
Could you clarify, because this is really bothering me.
Noumero
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There's a strong case for going to Mist to steal the koi right now, with "help Ami' as an "official unofficial" goal. It'd give our visit a clear external reason, meaning no-one would be wondering why we'd come, and if whatever's happening over there is important, it might distract the clans, get them to loosen security, making the theft even easier.
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That seems completely irrelevant? If Ami has a romantic interest in Hazou how dating Akane would damage our plans? She would still be an ally, by virtue of considering Hazou possible romantic partner (Because Ami is smart enough to not romance obstacles). Also, personally i would prefer to not use Hazou dating life as a resource to be exploited.
But we don't have the Toads for the "stealing" part.
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In fairness, 'sell a handful of clans enough weapons to conquer the entire Path and then make them play nice with each other or we stop selling them weapons' is significantly different from 'diplomatically convince clans to agree on alliances with each other in a cascade effect'.
Moreover, when we first came up with the 7PathPeace plan we thought most every clan was as ruthless as the Pangolins and would jump at the chance to conquer a third of the path. The fact that apparently many clans are more tame, even to the point of considering the Condor situation a travesty, changes the weighting on which of Game Theoretic Cold War Peace and Big Alliance is more viable.
Noumero
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I think the most important detail that informed Ami's plan was knowledge that Summon Clans consider promises/alliances/contracts sacrosanct, as in they actually mean them. I don't think it was known to us at the time we made our plan, and without this, Ami's plan would fall apart quite swiftly.
(Although I'm not sure we should place too much stock in Summons' commitments. See: The Pangolin Clan explicitly lying to Asuma about what we've been doing. I'm sure it cost Keiko a fortune, but they still did it.)