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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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MMKII said:
Wasn't this implied to be a big hoax intended to further destabilize the EN?
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faflec said:
The one we broke was, yes.

Thanks, Yagura.
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I always thought it was meant to fulfill at least two purposes: destabilize the EN as well as attract any biosealers willing to collaborate to the samurai cause for later recruitment by whatever entity was funding the village in the first place or just to steal said biosealers' notes.

Because if you're going to all of the trouble of recruiting missing-nin to your cause and then kill them you might as well loot their bodies (and drain their brains of techniques beforehand) too.

@Ryai I like what you did with Pandaa's scales. Very detailed, very nice.
 
Dictator4Hire said:
I always thought it was meant to fulfill at least two purposes: destabilize the EN as well as attract any biosealers willing to collaborate to the samurai cause for later recruitment by whatever entity was funding the village in the first place or just to steal said biosealers' notes.

Because if you're going to all of the trouble of recruiting missing-nin to your cause and then kill them you might as well loot their bodies (and drain their brains of techniques beforehand) too.

@Ryai I like what you did with Pandaa's scales. Very detailed, very nice.
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Yagura wasn't the one that killed them.
 
Ryai said:
Keiko the pangolin summoner.
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Magnificent.
MMKII said:
I think that's the scarf from Ch 220something! (?)
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The scarf and gloves are fan club gifts from 227, to be precise.

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Sentient Tree said:
Kagome, of course.
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Why would she need to wait, insofar as she and Kagome are single individuals of opposite genders? She could do it right now. Though, obviously, it would be best to send a reliable agent ahead of her to investigate any potential diplomatic or socio-cultural obstacles, and maybe adjust Leaf's political situation to her advantage a little before the main event.
 
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Velorien said:
Why would she need to wait, insofar as she and Kagome are single individuals of opposite genders? She could do it right now. Though, obviously, it would be best to send a reliable agent ahead of her to investigate any potential diplomatic or socio-cultural obstacles, and maybe adjust Leaf's political situation to her advantage a little before the main event.
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I just had the mental image of the consummation of the marriage being required, Ren suggesting he tie her up to assuage Kagome's paranoia, and Kagome segfaulting halfway through that thought.
 
Cariyaga said:
To be 100% clear on this... there's no expectation that you don't provide techniques that you supply to the tower to other ninja two months ahead of time, right?
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The double negative is tripping me up. Clarify/rephrase?
Cariyaga said:
I just had the mental image of the consummation of the marriage being required, Ren suggesting he tie her up to assuage Kagome's paranoia, and Kagome segfaulting halfway through that thought.
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Keiko: "Amateurs."
 
Cariyaga said:
The situation I'm considering: Provide (all of) Jiraiya's seal notes for the competition. Proceed to also provide copies to, say, the Daisho and Orochimaru.

This way they get access to them sooner.
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Then they proceed to reverse-engineer the lot of them and submit their own version.

I mean, we do want to win the competition, yes?
 
faflec said:
Then they proceed to reverse-engineer the lot of them and submit their own version.

I mean, we do want to win the competition, yes?
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waves a hand with the Daisho at least we can include that anything made based on Jiraiya's seals be creditted to us in the competition. And if Oro wants to win he can regardless.
 
Cariyaga said:
waves a hand with the Daisho at least we can include that anything made based on Jiraiya's seals be creditted to us in the competition. And if Oro wants to win he can regardless.
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And the others? As in, all the other sealmasters (clan or otherwise), who will now be able to use our seals (or versions of them) to bump their standing in the competition?
 
faflec said:
And the others? As in, all the other sealmasters (clan or otherwise), who will now be able to use our seals (or versions of them) to bump their standing in the competition?
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Cariyaga said:
The situation I'm considering: Provide (all of) Jiraiya's seal notes for the competition. Proceed to also provide copies to, say, the Daisho and Orochimaru.

This way they get access to them sooner.
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I'm not sure where "all the other sealmasters" comes in? We provide the tower the seal notes for the competition, the Daisho the seal notes, and Orochimaru the seal notes.
 
Paperclipped said:
I'm not sold on giving all of Jiraiya's seals. For instance, I would want to reserve anything that could plausibly counter Orochimaru.
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That sounds either so broad we can't provide any seals or so specific it's unlikely to come up.

Also, making our meat shields better at meat shielding is a good thing.
Cariyaga said:
Other options to ask of the Daisho: Any contributions they make to the competition be under Gouketsu Hazou's name.

Also, it has been made clear to me that, contrary to my prior beliefs, not everyone was on board with handing Jiraiya's sealing notes over for the competition.

Pluses:
  • A large bonus to our chance of getting the dog scroll
  • General improvement to Konoha's forces
  • Quicker notes on all of his seals for our own deployment.
  • The possibility of others figuring out "flip it upside down" moments that we wouldn't. Note also: We'll get the first crack at doing so.
Minuses:
  • Giving up Jiraiya's legacy.
  • The view of others' as seeing us doing the former.
  • Destruction of OPSEC on high level seals that could catapult us to greatness.
Personally, a large part of the reason I don't care for keeping OPSEC on the seals is because, well... we haven't gotten anything out of them yet. If we look at them after Kagome's done decoding them, and there's things of value greater than the dog scroll there for us but only if we don't break OPSEC, I'll fall on the other side.
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I made a post on it here. Do you disagree with any of the pluses or minuses?
 
Cariyaga said:
That sounds either so broad we can't provide any seals or so specific it's unlikely to come up.

Also, making our meat shields better at meat shielding is a good thing.

I made a post on it here. Do you disagree with any of the pluses or minuses?
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I mean, we know Oro is practically death-proof, and that memetics are a thing. It's plausible that Jiraiya had some special memetic seal that disaples Oro's offsite backups by memetically infecting them. I don't know exactly how it might work, but I assume J spent some time preparing counters to possible enemies he might face. Either way, the point is I'm unsure if I would want to give everything, even if I could easily imagine worlds where I would be fine with it.
 
Ryai said:
Keiko the pangolin summoner.
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This is so beautiful! I love how you did the hair and the pangolin looks absolutely adorable!

Paperclipped said:
I'm not sold on giving all of Jiraiya's seals. For instance, I would want to reserve anything that could plausibly counter Orochimaru.
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This, basically. I'm down for all but anything that keeps Orochimaru both away from us and disinterested in us. He's not someone we can really understand, trust, manipulate, maneuver, or rely on. He's been shown to be too self-centered, too powerful, and too amoral to be helpful to us. He has no needs that he can't get on his own, no morality to work with or play on, and no outward-focused passions that we can use to our advantage --the way we could, conceivably, do with Tsunade and medicine/healing/human betterment.

Anything we have that he wants, he can literally just take without fear of consequences. He's too valuable an asset for the Leaf --who is immensely diminished right now and, thus, needs his strength --for them to come down on him with anything more than a verbal slap on the wrist, if even that. He's too strong for us to stop --if he can survive The Battle, I don't think that Kagome could touch him... even if Kagome weaponized a sealing failure. His own morality won't hinder him in any capacity, though it might urge him to simply do things --Orochimaru is very much well aware of his position within the village. And if that's not enough, just remember that there's no one in the village who could stop him. Asuma? Nope. The Third is dead and gone, The Fourth is dead and gone, Jiraiya is dead and gone, Naruto isn't that strong yet, and Tsunade --arguably the second strongest ninja in the Leaf right now --is specialized medically, rather than militarily (that's not to say that her military might is small. By no means. It's simply that she specializes primarily in medicine and medical jutsu, with the military power coming, primarily, as a result from an application of that knowledge. Unless MfD's Tsunade is different. Which is a possibility).

I believe that Orochimaru is basically in Leaf out of a mixture of A) it's slightly more convenient to be in Leaf as opposed to wherever he was prior, 2) the Leaf has a both a greater amount of resources and rather unique resources that he would not otherwise have access to, 3) whatever emotional bonds that he might have toward Leaf and towards Tsunade (pretty sure I've addressed how MfD's Orochimaru is more humane/moral/whatever than canon's?), and that, 4) all his shit is here and moving it would be a hassle.

Basically: The Big Bad Asura is scary, and I propose that we do not tickle the sleeping serpent.
 
Paperclipped said:
I mean, we know Oro is practically death-proof, and that memetics are a thing. It's plausible that Jiraiya had some special memetic seal that disaples Oro's offsite backups by memetically infecting them. I don't know exactly how it might work, but I assume J spent some time preparing counters to possible enemies he might face. Either way, the point is I'm unsure if I would want to give everything, even if I could easily imagine worlds where I would be fine with it.
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I wouldn't bet on memetic weapons working — they wouldn't work on backups that don't preserve memory continuity, and he may have those. Besides, he clearly has experience in the field himself, given the cannibal seal, and so likely developed countermeasures. Using memagents wouldn't be much easier than explosives.

What we need are weapons that use chakra signatures as attack vector, like the Blotch. It infected Kagome (and only Kagome) despite him being well outside the failure's radius, presumably through the chakra he left in the seal that failed. This suggests that chakra is nonlocal. If true, then a hypothetical tool that explodes chakra networks it's deployed against should be able to kill all of Orochimaru's instances worldwide.

The alternative solution is conceptual destruction, i. e. something similar to what happened to Henge. We'll need to figure out how to manipulate the cobweb that is reality, how to make specific strands of it fall out, then just cut off the "Orochimaru" strand.

Seals that interface with chakra to create chakra plagues vs. seals that make parts of reality fall into Out. Which one do you think will make Kagome scream louder?
RandomOTP said:
if he can survive The Battle, I don't think that Kagome could touch him... even if Kagome weaponized a sealing failure
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Oh, the things we could do with weaponized sealing failures... I assure you, they go way farther than merely "killing Oro".
Tsunade --arguably the second strongest ninja in the Leaf right now --is specialized medically, rather than militarily
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Pretty sure she's our current best bet at killing him. Medicine means chakra manipulation, and chakra seems like the best attack vector, see above.
 
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