I think we're a bit too busy to talk to Chouza.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Emstar
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This is perhaps more to my liking:
[X] Action Plan: The Hallmark of 'Clever Ideas'
Word count: Dont care
Grab Mari and talk to her about Iwa's appearance.
[X] Action Plan: The Hallmark of 'Clever Ideas'
Word count: Dont care
Grab Mari and talk to her about Iwa's appearance.
- On Iwa:
- They recently arrived to 'offer aid' with this crisis. Given that there are no coincidences in this universe, this reeks of someone attempting to be exceedingly clever.
- You may not be much, but you are a Special Jonin in "Exceedingly clever ideas rarely pan out, and here's why."
- It's time to start throwing spanners in the works.
- Suggest she work with Asuma to stall, negate, or otherwise counter whatever clever thing the Iwa nin are attempting to do. Keeping in mind that:
- They may or may not be behind the attack. Perhaps it was them taking a nonstandard approach to "Winning" the future war. Perhaps they're just capitalizing on someone else's (Akatsuki) attack.
- They may or may not also have been attacked.
- Implementational suggestions:
- Stall (Most important at the moment): Use paperwork, "Leaf traditions", and drown them in other social/bureaucratic nonsense to keep them busy. Use social-fu and Byakugan bullshit surveillance to assess what they want and verify facets of their story (lumber merchant they were escorting? send a scout party to check on their forces location?).
- Negate: While stalling, attempt to get in contact with Suna and Mist-- either for intel (Were they also hit?) or for aid. Ami's presence could be leveraged into suggesting Mist's "already" helping.
- Counter: If their "offer" is a bluff, then call it if we can find that out. If they caused this: every village on the planet might like to know they are capable of wiping villages out overnight-- this is sure to be problematic for them. Point at Orochimaru-- his mere presence could at least stall them for a bit if they don't know he's returned, and force them to rework the gambit. As a last resort, we could accept their offer and feign subservience- no one expect others to be reasonable and go along with their clever schemes, so it is sure to throw them off at least.
- They recently arrived to 'offer aid' with this crisis. Given that there are no coincidences in this universe, this reeks of someone attempting to be exceedingly clever.
- Misc.
- Scouting missions to the Iwa border and to Suna seem to be priorities.
- Iwa knows Leaf invented Skywalkers, maybe demonstrate their use en masse as a show of strength?
- Should we get folks to officially instate Asuma as Hokage?
- Give Yuno a crash course on EN culture with Akane.
- Be ready: more shit is undoubtedly on the way.
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I can likely help out. I'm not specifically familiar with those two particular tools, but I'm fairly familiar with git itself. Feel free to ping me on discord this weekend, and we can set up some time to chat and/or screen share.
zap lunch
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Tua
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[X] Action Plan: Rocks Fell, Everyone Died
@faflec:
If there is room to add:
- Have Mari check up on Ami, is she acting nervous or relaxed (especially wrt Keiko)? Might give us a clue about the threat level or whether she knows more about things.
Reason: We already know that Ami seems to care about Keiko's well-being and has slipped up when it came to her so if she is totally relaxed (and Mari can tell it's not an act) that would be a clue in thinking that she knows Iwa is bluffing and not actually going to harm Leaf. Maybe.
- Send Mari directly to Asuma to offer her services. Social specs should be uncommon and she should be able to help in any negotations with Rock right now.
Reason: Pretty obvious. This is out of our league and the only one that can actually impact things is Mari and not Hazou.
@faflec:
If there is room to add:
- Have Mari check up on Ami, is she acting nervous or relaxed (especially wrt Keiko)? Might give us a clue about the threat level or whether she knows more about things.
Reason: We already know that Ami seems to care about Keiko's well-being and has slipped up when it came to her so if she is totally relaxed (and Mari can tell it's not an act) that would be a clue in thinking that she knows Iwa is bluffing and not actually going to harm Leaf. Maybe.
- Send Mari directly to Asuma to offer her services. Social specs should be uncommon and she should be able to help in any negotations with Rock right now.
Reason: Pretty obvious. This is out of our league and the only one that can actually impact things is Mari and not Hazou.
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[X] Action Plan: Chargin Muh Anti-Kaiju Lazorz With Chouza
[X] Continue previous plan
I don't normally use GUI tools for git other than the occasional IDE built-in, but I am an advanced user with some fairly arcane knowledge, so poke me on Discord whenever. I'm not doing anything other than chores this weekend.
[X] Continue previous plan
I don't normally use GUI tools for git other than the occasional IDE built-in, but I am an advanced user with some fairly arcane knowledge, so poke me on Discord whenever. I'm not doing anything other than chores this weekend.
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Yes, kinda, and I'll change it.
Not necessarily, but I'll add a thing.
Yes, and no. Mari should know where she should be headed, she's smart and not a static character. She'll put herself in the way to keep shit from exploding.
Tua
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I mean, sure, as an NPC she will act accordingly to her agency etc but then again, most of the stuff the plan is discussing is also something a smart Asuma would have come up with so it's odd we draw the line here of all places.
No matter though, not a big deal.
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I'm honestly reluctant to bet too much on the "smart people will have thought of that already" card. I have too much recent real-world experience in seeing important processes derailed in some way unless I specifically make sure they aren't. The hypothetical "smart Asuma" may well think of a bunch of smart things you haven't even considered, but miss a few you consider obvious. Human decison making, even when they explicitly try to be rational and follow a well-defined process, is not as homogeneous as you'd expect.
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Sorry I didn't answer this first, but I wanted to get edits out so people could look at them.
Macerators are derived from storage seals, which release their contents unidirectionally (orthogonal to the face of the seal). That's established by the current rulesdoc. I don't see a reason why macerators, which are just storage seals with their anti-stress components dampened, would release their contents in a non-standard location, unless you are deliberately blocking the way (which leads to Bad Things anyway, let's not go into that).
Anyway, it's a bit harder to establish that macerators violate action/reaction. The original plan for them was to release their contents at a speed, and while my understanding was that they did violate action/reaction it's not stated outright. One would observe that Hazou's CHAOSsuit wouldn't be very functional if Macerators didn't violate action/reaction, as they would limit his ability to use them mid-air; yet Hazou was able to box with a training dummy with taijutsu (which presumably involves a lot of midair movement) when testing. Yes, he couldn't actually hit anything, but that's probably due to his limited skill and not due to any midair momentum change which would have been stated otherwise.
Emstar
The Shining One
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We're aiming to have finer control of the velocity vector (so: the speed and direction of the imparted velocity, not just the speed, which is what we currently have access to) in Macerators v3.
Add chakra adhesion parameters too, for a variant you can activate with your feet.
You could theoretically then just toggle it to "Release the objects with a velocity of 20 m/s, in the exact opposite direction to that of the release." , and stick the seals on your feat. Store and unstore a bunch of wooden pallets and ride them. Maybe construct some sort of metal brace for your legs so that theres less risk in the way of damage to joints and whatnot over time.
That sounds workable to me?
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Tua
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Yeah, ever since the Tipserator event I have been trying to keep something like this* in mind but the point I wanted to bring up was less about that than the fact that we are assuming Mari can work well autonomously but we are still brainstorming what to do with Asuma even though he should function similarly.
Can't have it both ways, IMO.
But either way, like I said earlier, it's not a big deal in this case.
*That people can be even dumber than expected, so the opposite should also be true.
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I'm, uh, personally not in favor of making the suggestion. Ignoring how Mari will quarantine us and Keiko will kill us for making a suggestion like this, I don't want people to mutually destroy each other, or make the threat of it. Escalating tensions is not the wise decision FMPOV.
Also, I'm not sure we have the manpower to bomb Iwa. We'll get some buildings at most, but nobody will die and their munitions/supplies will probably survive as well (unless they don't have the manpower to transport them, which is possible but not necessarily likely.
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We could setup sky lanterns with little baskets to ferry messages, seals and sealed supplies between the people on the ground and ninja in the sky.
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WE'RE ALL GONNA [CENSORED]Neat, it's a tie.
Looking forward to 5k words of Hazou being paralyzed by indecision.until a bird flies into his face and forces him to choose
Noumero
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Leaf is going to suffer the very same thing it allowed to be done to the Condors. How ironic.
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PANGOLINS: This is why you don't change the f*cking deal. Suck it, Gouketsu.
Tua
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So here is something that started bugging me after I kept thinking about it some more:
The "Threaten Hiashi" plan would have had us make an appointment to talk with Hokage if it hadn't gone off the rails.
Now imagine a world where it didn't, where it was phrased in a way that got Naruto's and Mari's approval and we went through with it*. In that world we would have lost our main character through no fault of our own just because we happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Not because we made bad choices and got killed for them. No, because something entirely unexpected happened and we got caught in it. And maybe that's fine if you are going full simulationist but not for a quest where the player's successes and failures should matter. Where they should be directly traced to player actions.
And here is the crux of the issue: the quest has prided itself in simulating a world full of NPCs with the PCs being only a small slice of it so if, at some point, the reformed Akatsuki decided to nuke all of the world or take away everyone's ninja powers in secret for peace would it be simuliationist? Yeah, probably; it was their stated goal to bring peace to the world and that group is just so ridiculously OP. But would it be fun? No, not in my opinion as a player because there was little to nothing we could have done to prevent things.
To me it's a bit like if Mari died of a heart attack next update because we didn't stop her from eating that greasy piece of meat fourty-two updates ago. (Not that I think this particular case would happen, naturally. It is merely an example to demonstrate the randomness/out of contextness that players had little reason to suspect would happen.)
I get the impression that having a simulationist death world with multiple powerful agents that could easily kill the PCs as collateral made sense many years ago when PCs were not expected to survive longer than a few IRL weeks or months anyway.
But after getting attached to them for years this doesn't mesh very well anymore. And now it seems too late to change the premise of the quest without compromising its identity as being simulationist because so much work has gone into all the behind-the-scenes world building that players cannot even so much as guess at so what do we do?
I suppose my question is this: does this actually bother anyone else? That we could die randomly due to out of context problems and not because us players actually screwed up? What are the QM's opinions on things? Am I blowing things out of proportion?
*To preempt the whole "we wouldn't have been at the Tower that day because getting an appointment is not instant" bit: the exact timing is only tangentially related to the greater point I am trying to make: this came out of nowhere for the players and we could just as easily have died eating at a restaurant that just happened to be in the blast zone. And no, "Orochimaru came back early, we should have expected an attack and hid somewhere safe" is not a convincing argument to me either because it relies on hindsight and we'd have been super paranoid both IC and OOC to act like this (and good luck not convincing the family that you are sane while doing this).
The "Threaten Hiashi" plan would have had us make an appointment to talk with Hokage if it hadn't gone off the rails.
Now imagine a world where it didn't, where it was phrased in a way that got Naruto's and Mari's approval and we went through with it*. In that world we would have lost our main character through no fault of our own just because we happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Not because we made bad choices and got killed for them. No, because something entirely unexpected happened and we got caught in it. And maybe that's fine if you are going full simulationist but not for a quest where the player's successes and failures should matter. Where they should be directly traced to player actions.
And here is the crux of the issue: the quest has prided itself in simulating a world full of NPCs with the PCs being only a small slice of it so if, at some point, the reformed Akatsuki decided to nuke all of the world or take away everyone's ninja powers in secret for peace would it be simuliationist? Yeah, probably; it was their stated goal to bring peace to the world and that group is just so ridiculously OP. But would it be fun? No, not in my opinion as a player because there was little to nothing we could have done to prevent things.
To me it's a bit like if Mari died of a heart attack next update because we didn't stop her from eating that greasy piece of meat fourty-two updates ago. (Not that I think this particular case would happen, naturally. It is merely an example to demonstrate the randomness/out of contextness that players had little reason to suspect would happen.)
I get the impression that having a simulationist death world with multiple powerful agents that could easily kill the PCs as collateral made sense many years ago when PCs were not expected to survive longer than a few IRL weeks or months anyway.
But after getting attached to them for years this doesn't mesh very well anymore. And now it seems too late to change the premise of the quest without compromising its identity as being simulationist because so much work has gone into all the behind-the-scenes world building that players cannot even so much as guess at so what do we do?
I suppose my question is this: does this actually bother anyone else? That we could die randomly due to out of context problems and not because us players actually screwed up? What are the QM's opinions on things? Am I blowing things out of proportion?
*To preempt the whole "we wouldn't have been at the Tower that day because getting an appointment is not instant" bit: the exact timing is only tangentially related to the greater point I am trying to make: this came out of nowhere for the players and we could just as easily have died eating at a restaurant that just happened to be in the blast zone. And no, "Orochimaru came back early, we should have expected an attack and hid somewhere safe" is not a convincing argument to me either because it relies on hindsight and we'd have been super paranoid both IC and OOC to act like this (and good luck not convincing the family that you are sane while doing this).
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Speaking for myself? Not in the slighest.
The reason I joined up with the quest was because it promised that we would literally die even if we did everything right. And (when we started) also because we were in a position where us misstepping slightly would also lead to our deaths. Because we were missing-nin.
Not to say that we aren't still in that position, but us being missing-nin was way worse from a survival perspective.