Much as I dislike correcting incorrect assumptions, you do know that what she meant was "you are asking me about my training, which is a thing I am only allowed to discuss with Takahashi and any other members of the Takahashi family who have summoner training"?

That's interesting. Especially since that is the line that persuaded me that it's time to hightail it out of this village.

EDIT: Or at least it convinced me that we need to get a bigger hammer to deal with these vermin.
 
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The lack of immediate feedback on whether it was a good plan at all, plus the gargantuan difficulty of dealing with this ridiculous village and the distinct possibility we are screwing ourselves over in ways too subtle to notice, has just left me exhausted from worrying about everything. We are fighting an entire group of hostile and stubborn diplomancers on their own battlegrounds and every one might be lying to us about everything. Like, I've always stressed a bit about the results of our plan, but I always basically found out how we did. Now I don't and I might not find out until someone dies or converts, or we finally get that damn summon scroll and get the hell out of here.

Plus the introduction of Yuno has brought a whole new headache of Meta Bullshit where we have a sudden crossover'd character in a Quest that has stayed admirably original so far, and we have to decide whether you guys are likely to have transferred all of canon!Yuno's personality, instead of us observing her behaviour and making conclusions from that.

This tiredness might partially be from the week I have had, but I just want to get the scroll that we have bent over backwards for and leave this place to get a simple mission from Jiraiya.
It's funny, the players will probably need to decompress more after this than the characters do.
 
Much as I dislike correcting incorrect assumptions, you do know that what she meant was "you are asking me about my training, which is a thing I am only allowed to discuss with Takahashi and any other members of the Takahashi family who have summoner training"?

Well yes, but it's her choice of words here that's very worrying.

"I'm not supposed to talk about it to outsiders."

Not "I'm not supposed to talk about it to the other outsiders.", not "I'm not supposed to talk about it to my team.", and not even "I'm not supposed to talk about it with you.".

"I'm not supposed to talk about it to outsiders."

The implication here is that she doesn't consider herself an outsider, but does consider us outsiders. And even if she isn't aware of that, the subconscious feeling is being reflected in her speech.

That's what's setting everyone off.
 
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Plan updated, added Keiko stuff.
[X] Action Plan: Assimilation my a-

Playing politics was fun for a while, but it's time to change the game before we lose.

We won't be subverting ninjaville any time soon, and killing everyone will make Akane sad (probably Jiraiya too, if/when he finds out) so I suggest we remember what we really came here for - the Summoning Scroll. With that said...

Goals:
  • Survive.
  • Get out and away from here, and return to our Fort.
  • Try to do it without killing random people in the village, though anyone who follows us beyond it is fair game.
  • Come back once we're stronger and the hustle dies down a bit, probably in a couple of months or so, we'll see how it goes.

Methods:
  1. Wait patiently for the meeting to conclude. Don't rock the boat. Once it's over, all of us return to our camp.
  2. Once back at the camp, Mari shares what she learned earlier with us.
  3. Convince the group that it's time to leave:
    1. In private, tell Mari about our conversation with Keiko, voice concern over Keiko's attitude to both the team and life and Takahashi's influence on her.
    2. Point out to Noburi that Kannagi lied about canceling the betrothal, that 13 is too young to choose a partner for life and that there are plenty of pretty girls out there who don't act like they might murder people for disagreeing with them.
    3. Remind everyone of the times we were attacked, of people spreading vile rumours about us, that our so-called allies make us sit on seals, lie to us and seek to use us, instead of trying to make mutually beneficient arrangements. That elders make plans to keep us here by any means, and are prepared to kill us to prevent our leaving.
    4. For Keiko: getting out now and stealing the scroll later is even in line with Takahashi's plan. After all, he claims that he wants the scroll out of the village. Well, we can do that. On our terms. As for summoning, we will find her a better teacher than a guy who can't even use it himself. Maybe trade favors with Jiraiya. If she even needs a special teacher for that and Takahashi wasn't messing with her, and the rest of us.
      1. Does she really believe we're safer here, relying on these people, than when we were alone? That they have our best interests in mind? What does her bloodline tell her?
    5. Kagome should be fine with leaving the stinkers and going back to properly defended place.
    6. Akane's dreams are bigger than this trap. She deserves better.
    7. We all deserve better than being stuck in this mud hole at the mercy of elders, and that's where things seem to be heading.
  4. Have Kagome gather seals that can be recovered without compromising the perimeter, rig the rest to self-destruct once we leave (the goal is to deny knowledge rather than kill, arrange self-destruction accordingly)
  5. Pack up whatever's left and leave. (Did we ever make that escape tunnel?)
    1. Have Mari head out first and see if she can take out the watchmen stealthily, preferably with genjutsu.
    2. Be on the lookout for Seals
    3. Sneak out (stealth? genjutsu? maybe Noburi has some airborne sleeping powder or something for the situation?) just run if detected, (set off a smoke bomb to conceal our exit?) disable immediate threats non-lethally if possible.
  6. E&E time: employ anti-tracking maneuvers. Tree-hopping, kawarimi, water-walking, clone tricks...
    1. Occasionally leave behind proximity-activated explosive tag to discourage pursuit, though not so many that they make a trail. Leave fewer of those the farther we get from ninja village.
    2. Head west towards the coast and acquire (steal) a boat
    3. Make a short sea trip to cut our trail and then head back to the fort.
  7. Return to our Fort.
    1. Plan ends here, further actions to be specified once we arrive.

Contingencies:
  1. On the run we stick together, at least till we reach the relative safety of our fort. (yes, that means potty-break buddies till we make it. Get over it)
  2. If village ninja do come after us, withhold nothing at any point once combat begins. We'll be fighting for our lives. Always use lethal methods. Take no prisoners.

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If this looks familiar, well, it should. Dropped the Fort content, it can go into next plan if running wins.

I want Takahashi dead but not sure how to work it into plan without upsetting Kei.
it presents challenges of it's own. Silencing him is good, and a dead elder should shake the village up and, hopefully, distract from us, at least a little. On the other hand assassinations are risky, Takahashi knows Mari's spec, and he might've shared the info he gained already. Also if the village does plan to stay isolated that information is of limited harm to us.

I also want us to sit pretty for the next few days after the meeting, maybe up to Kagome's birthday, so the village is less suspicious. However if we decide to run away I don't know how Kei will keep it secret. Keeping her out of the loop doesn't appeal to me, either.

Nah, not leaving more time for things to go wrong. We exfiltrate asap. Not leaving time for Yuno's info on our camp to be used, either.

Re: Yuno, our best bet is to try to lose her. She might come after us, with elders' blessing or without, we'll hopefully deal with it then. Trying to break things off or hint that we might disappear soon, will end in a disaster, or her coming with us (which sounds like another, less immediate disaster to me)


Otherwise this is us pretty much going "screw it" and running for the hills.
- Hopefully without killing everyone in our way. I wanna make the initial break-off as painless as possible, as last effort to keep our peace. Not at the cost of our lives/limbs tho.
- Unless they insist on going after us after we leave. At that point, anything goes.

Once there we bunker up and settle down. Plenty of stuff for one update methinks, we can decide what do/train/whatever next vote, once we know what we're dealing with (open pursuit? siege? complete lack of retaliation?)

Once we're sufficiently buffed up (yes hello sealing and stuff) we can skip the village stage, go for the Sanctuary (or whatever that place was called) and get the Scroll. Once we have it we can figure out the summoning thing on our own time and terms, including cashing in favors from Jiraiya (once we earn them)

We'll get our cake yet.

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Tag me for improvements, or take the bits you like.

[-] Action Plan: Poor Communication Kills

I don't find it especially objectionable, but I'm less and less interested in talking.
If it wins, I don't imagine we'll be facing immediate disaster. But we can already guess other teammates' stances well enough. I'd prefer a little less conversation, a little more action.
 
I'd just like to point out that Takahashi was the one who arranged for us to be there when the other elders thought they could be open about their intentions. It seems like he just wanted to make sure that we didn't get caught unawares by any of the plots to tie us to the village.

It's worth considering that he might really want us to take the scroll and leave. I don't think we should kill him yet.
 
[X] Action Plan: Assimilation my a-

Let's get out of this crazy town.

@Muer'ci Maybe have Mari take out the guards with kunai or something, genjutsu takes more time, and leaves you much more vulnerable when you are using it, as we have experienced in the past.

I would also follow her closly enough that we can support her if a fight breaks out. Two jonin are better than one.
 
I'd just like to point out that Takahashi was the one who arranged for us to be there when the other elders thought they could be open about their intentions. It seems like he just wanted to make sure that we didn't get caught unawares by any of the plots to tie us to the village.

It's worth considering that he might really want us to take the scroll and leave. I don't think we should kill him yet.

If that's what he wants (us to take scroll and leave) I'd be happy to oblige. Re council, maybe he helped us and maybe he didn't. Remember Mari's hunch that Kannagi knew she was present? If he didn't see through her henge, that means someone warned him. Not a lot of people who could do that :/

Fixed camp escape bit a little, Mari does her thing first (methods up to her)
 
I don't want us staying in ninjaville, it reeks of non-standart game over. The plan was always to stick around just long enough to grab the scroll, but the way things are going Kei might well choose to stay, Mari will stick by her, Noburi might get married off and Kagome is very much under Mari's sway. I fear if Hazou was to up and leave the only person who wouldn't mind going with him would be Akane. This is not good.

Just to be clear, I have advocated to work with the village first, and have access to the scroll second. The best way to get Keiko summoning is not to pander to the village and then abandon them as soon as we have the scroll; the village probably has numerous ways of guarding their most valuable religious artifact in addition to someone watching us 24/7. I consider having the village as an ally preferable to simply having the summoning scroll; if I had to choose between them, I would choose allies. Why? The village already has ~100 chakra-using individuals, has enough of an infrastructure to support itself and us, does not appear on any maps in the outside world, and has no incentive to consider turning us in to Mist. A summoning scroll simply maybe gives Keiko a powerful new technique to summon potential allies (since we do not know how summoning works in this universe; we have 0 conclusive proof that 'reading the scroll' = 'you are a summoner now').

I'd like us to vanish quietly in the night, fall back to fort, do some research/training then come back and steal the scroll. Once we have it we can ask Jiraiya to finish Keiko's summoning education. For all we know, his way doesn't cause depression.

I'd like us to not burn any bridges we don't have to. Yes, Takahashi and Kannagi played us, but only because we let them. We successfully thwarted Yoshida and Gasai's attempts and if we had continued to act in the village rather than acquiesce to whomever offers us a power up we would have made significant progress to making the village accept us and our outsider-ness.

I don't want to involve J with the village unless we absolutely must, and it doesn't feel like we hit that spot yet. But all three of our allies telling lies, harming team members and manipulating us? This is reason enough for me to leave.

We should involve Jiraiya here when the village's plan no longer revolves around assimilating us, but annihilating us. So long as they want us in their village we have some measure of safety (more so than in any other known ninja village in the world). Remember when we had that client hunted by the Yakuza back in Iron? Think of it in a similar way: our client, just like Takahashi, Kannagi, and all of the other elders, tried to pull a fast one on us. We retaliated by killing him and we came out ahead in that situation. If we had just let our client push us around and accepted it just like we have been doing here, we would not have walked away from Iron in as good of a situation as we actually did.

Playing politics was fun, loosing is not. Time to change the game.

We were playing politics up until the point Takahashi offered Keiko "training" for the scroll. Once he did the hivemind rolled over like a dog for him because "TEH SUMMONS! I CAN TASTE THEM!" At that point we stopped being proactive and went along with whatever Takahashi, Kannagi, or any of our allies wanted without ever stopping to think they might be lying to us. What do you feel is more likely: some dude you have never met before wants to betray his village and hand over his most precious religious artifact, or he meticulously crafted a lie that would have us believe we could have our cake and eat it too as soon as possible?

What would you do in his position to placate a bunch of powerful nosy intruders?

We were doing well when we focused on dealing with the village's inhabitants. Mari dealt with Yoshida; Akane almost died to Kouta (twice) yet we handled that too. We gave up all of our agency just for the chance to maybe prepare Keiko for the scroll. Doubling down on the scroll alone is not a smart move; it only shows the village how desperate we are to have it and that gives them a huge amount of leverage over us. With this village council meeting we have a chance to fix this mess rather than fight the whole village head on. They just made an unprecedented offer to welcome us into their village as full members. Yes, there are plenty of catches, but this is a sign of progress: we have gone from 'kill on sight' to 'maybe they can live with us.' Who is to say we can't keep going if we apply ourselves to the task?
 
With Velorien clarifying the discussion Hazou had with Keiko in the beginning of the last update, I have to revise my earlier opinion and conclude that there's no real reason to panic just now. Keiko has probably not been compromised, she is just being her angsty self with an extra splash of cosmic horror.

That being said, I think we should really get a bigger hammer for the village. There is something fishy going on in the village even if we were trusting Takahashi unconditionally. First big question mark is the ninja to civilians ratio, that is absurdly skewed towards ninjas. It might be because most of the people in the original villagers were also ninjas, but I don't think we know enough about ninja breeding to answer that conclusively. Is there an easy way to figure this out?

This passage has two other questionable tidbits:
Their bloodlines shall enrich our own, and their arts shall become our arts, not through a process of thoughtless intrusion, but naturally over the years, subject to the authority of the elders in exactly the same way as we are all subject to the authority of the elders. And if they choose to reject our kindness? Well, a healer like myself knows that sometimes sick flesh must be excised for the good of the body, and has means of doing so that do not require direct confrontation.
The "subject to authority of elders" might just be your normal everyday cultural conformity. Spend enough time in a certain kind of culture and you will become a part of it. But since we are dealing with magic ninjas I can't help to think that there might be some other sort of way that they can force their "authority" on us if we stay too long.

The other tidbit is of course the casual way they are planning to poison us. There are many vectors for poison delivery even without ninja bullshit and if we stay around for too long it will be unfeasible to protect ourselves from all of them all the time. We really do need something to hold over the villagers heads just for basic safety.

That's why my current preferred course of action would be to bug out, get that blackmail letter done and then come back to the village and see how that changes our negotiation position.

Assimilation my a- is not a bad plan (and we will probably end up using it even if it doesn't win this time) but since we drew some drastic conclusions about Keiko's mindset from that single discussion, I think it's okay to take one update and slow the situation down and just talk to our team. We lose nothing if we just scope out how our team feels and it will just make implementing our next course of action easier.

[X] Action Plan: Poor Communication Kills

@Muer'ci In case your plan happens to win, I think we should add leaving a message to the villagers to it. We lose nothing if we leave one and whatever we say in it won't tie our hands. But it would be convenient if we do decide to come back. Here's my suggestion:

Leave a note for the villagers in a visible place where they are sure to find it (I'm tempted to suggest that we seal the note inside a black envelope and tie it with a red bow)
  1. Inform the villagers that sudden responsibilities have surfaced and we need to take care of them immediately
  2. We will be back once the problem is solved and we apologize for the undue worry they must feel for our safety
  3. Please tell Yuno not to worry needlessly, her fiance will return safe and sound at the earliest opportunity (This will hopefully lower the chance of sudden axe-murdering taking place in the village)
 
I hate the idea of running away instead of just taking a moment to get our teams' opinions and talk to Mari about what she thinks of what's going on here.

e: That aside, we still have the trial to go through, and both plans need to address that in some form.
 
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@Cariyaga, I have been in favor of running away since Takahashi's critical success at social combat against Keiko.
Further events just make me want to run away even stronger.

We really need to cool down, train, research seals, arm ourselves, maybe have Noburi complete his medical internship.

Then we can return, turn Takahashi inside out, and tell villagers to do as they are told or else.
 
@Cariyaga, I have been in favor of running away since Takahashi's critical success at social combat against Keiko.
Further events just make me want to run away even stronger.

We really need to cool down, train, research seals, arm ourselves, maybe have Noburi complete his medical internship.

Then we can return, turn Takahashi inside out, and tell villagers to do as they are told or else.
I'm not nearly as bloodthirsty as you are, nor has my impression of the threat Takahashi poses changed for the worse since his critical success.
 
[x] Action Plan: Poor Communication Kills

If we find Keiko is compromised, I'm all for leaving the village, but otherwise, I haven't seen some other reason why we've reached a point of no return. I like @Twofold's blackmail option, or something similar, but I want to get a handle on what the actual state of the world is now before we make other decisions.
 
How is stealing the scroll easier than convincing the villagers to give it to us? It's definitely simpler and more straightforward, but I am skeptical about it being easier. In order to steal the scroll we have to:
  1. Ascertain exactly where it is (we have never seen it in person and have a guess where it might be)
  2. Bypass any and all security surrounding the village's most sacred relic.
    1. The last time Mari performed an infiltration, she failed. But wait! That time only happened because a creepy stalker showed up. Well this time she would have to convince a bunch of isolationists that she belongs in the sacred vault/shrine.
    2. We could go in seals blazing, but that means everyone and their tapir know they are under attack and will respond in kind.
  3. Exfiltrate from a village where they have nothing better to do than chase all of us, since our departure means their secrecy will be irrevocably compromised.
    1. We will be facing 10+ angry ninja as an optimistic estimate; we could expect, conservatively, 50.
  4. Convince Keiko to betray her new teacher (we probably won't have access to her bloodline while she is against us)
    1. Convince our whole team to attack a village to plunder its most precious commodity; it would not be attacking in self defense, it would be an armed robbery.
  5. Find a way to ditch Yuno the yandere
  6. Avoid being tracked down by the tapirs.
Assuming all of that goes well we still have to worry about:
  1. Did we steal the right scroll? How would we know if we stole the real one?
    1. The village could very easily take the real scroll and put it somewhere out of the way while the shrine has a fake. The fake could be harmless at best or an altered form of the real scroll that harms whomever tries to use it.
    2. If we stole a fake, would we risk going back to get the real one?
  2. Convince the summons that they should work for Keiko, a person who betrayed the village to get the scroll.
    1. The summons might insist on seeing the village to make sure the village is intact as per instruction from their previous master.
      1. If this happens, do we lie to them? What happens if the summons find out about the lie?
      2. The enemy of my ally is my enemy; the ally of my ally is my ally. Killing the former owners of a normal contract does not make you the new owner of that contract; why should sapient summon animals be any different? What's to stop them from reverse summoning Keiko to their realm to enact punishment/revenge upon her?
If we receive access to the scroll as a gift we don't have to worry about the second list. For diplomacy to work, we have to:
  1. Convince the villagers to not kill us.
    1. Check.
  2. Establish a dialogue with the local government.
    1. There is a council meeting going on right now.
    2. There is an injured village elder right now we might be able to heal to get a debt of honor in our favor.
  3. Build up our trust in the village.
    1. This takes time, but we already have a decent reputation for a village that normally kills all intruders on sight.
  4. Establish a position of power where we have enough leeway to do as we please without making the village overly nervous.
    1. This does not happen by playing passively; we have to fight for this.
  5. Demonstrate Keiko to be the best possible candidate to learn summoning.
    1. There are things we do not know about summoning in general that Jiraiya might be able to help with.
    2. There must be a reason why no one in the village is a summoner; we need to find out what it is before attempting to summon something.
      1. (If I had to guess, it would have something to do with all of the village's purification rituals and other taboos.)
  6. Compile everything we have learned to convince the village (in addition to asking them about the scroll and its history for any clues) to either:
    1. Let us examine the scroll in detail to see if there are any discernible flaws in its seal logic.
    2. OR
    3. Let us leave to have the world's best seal-master (who happens to have a summoning contract of his own) take a look at it. If Jiraiya can't fix it, no one probably can.
      1. If the scroll is unrecoverable, at least we have a friendly secret ninja village on our side.
If at any point during these steps we feel threatened with violence (which I feel we have gotten past at this point) we can respond in kind. If we try to steal the scroll, we are locked in and have to hope that the situation doesn't deteriorate any further. What do we have to lose by pleading our case in front of the council before we commit to stealing the scroll? Attempting to take their relic is punishable by death; it's not like they don't know we want it already.
 
[X] Action Plan: Assimilation my a-

Playing politics was fun for a while, but it's time to change the game before we lose.

We won't be subverting ninjaville any time soon, and killing everyone will make Akane sad (probably Jiraiya too, if/when he finds out) so I suggest we remember what we really came here for - the Summoning Scroll. With that said...

Goals:
  • Survive.
  • Get out and away from here, and return to our Fort.
  • Try to do it without harming random people in the village, though anyone who follows us beyond it is fair game.
  • Come back once we're stronger and the hustle dies down a bit, probably in a couple of months or so, we'll see how it goes.

Methods:
  1. Wait patiently for the meeting to conclude. Don't rock the boat. Once it's over, all of us return to our camp.
  2. Once back at the camp, Mari shares what she learned earlier with us.
  3. Convince the group that it's time to leave:
    1. In private, tell Mari about our conversation with Keiko, voice concern over Keiko's attitude to both the team and life and Takahashi's influence on her.
    2. Point out to Noburi that Kannagi lied about canceling the betrothal, that 13 is too young to choose a partner for life and that there are plenty of pretty girls out there who don't act like they might murder people for disagreeing with them.
    3. Remind everyone of the times we were attacked, of people spreading vile rumours about us, that our so-called allies make us sit on seals, lie to us and seek to use us, instead of trying to make mutually beneficient arrangements. That elders make plans to keep us here by any means, and are prepared to kill us to prevent our leaving.
    4. For Keiko: getting out now and stealing the scroll later is absolutely in line with Takahashi's plan. After all, he claims that he wants the scroll out of the village. Well, we can do that. On our terms. As for summoning, we will find her a better teacher than a guy who can't even use it himself. Maybe trade favors with Jiraiya. If she even needs a special teacher for that and Takahashi wasn't messing with her, and the rest of us.
      1. Does she really believe we're safer here, relying on these people, than when we were on our own? That they have our best interests in mind? What does her bloodline tell her?
    5. Kagome should be fine with leaving the stinkers and going back to properly defended place.
    6. Akane's dreams are bigger than this trap. She deserves better.
    7. We all deserve better than being stuck in this mud hole at the mercy of elders, and that's where things seem to be heading.
  4. Have Kagome gather seals that can be recovered without compromising the perimeter, rig the rest to self-destruct once we leave (the goal is to deny knowledge rather than kill/destroy, arrange self-destruction accordingly)
  5. Pack up whatever's left and leave.
    1. Leave a note for the villagers in a visible place where they are sure to find it
      1. Inform the villagers that sudden responsibilities have surfaced and we need to take care of them immediately
      2. We will be back once the problem is solved and we apologize for the undue worry they must feel for our safety
      3. Please tell Yuno not to worry needlessly, her fiance will return safe and sound at the earliest opportunity (This will hopefully lower the chance of sudden axe-murdering taking place in the village)
    2. Be on the lookout (for Seals, traps, hidden guards, whatever)
    3. Sneak out (stealth? genjutsu? maybe Noburi has some airborne sleeping powder or something for the situation?) just run if detected, (set off a smoke bomb to conceal our exit?) disable immediate threats non-lethally.
      1. We're leaving immediately, but not in a violent manner. Don't let villagers stop us, but keep violence to minimum. We mean no harm. We're just in a real hurry. See you later.
  • E&E time: employ anti-tracking maneuvers. Tree-hopping, kawarimi, water-walking, clone tricks...
    1. Head west towards the coast and acquire (steal) a boat
    2. Make a short sea trip to cut our trail and then head back to the fort.
  • Return to our Fort.
    1. Plan ends here, further actions to be specified once we arrive.
Contingencies:
  1. On the run we stick together, at least till we reach the relative safety of our fort. (yes, that means potty-break buddies till we make it. Get over it)
  2. If village ninja do come after us, withhold nothing at any point once combat begins. We'll be fighting for our lives. Always use lethal methods. Take no prisoners.

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A few more edits, tried to minimize bridge burning and bad feelings.

This is us pretty much going "screw it" and running for the hills.
- Without alerting, or at least killing everyone in our way. I wanna make the break-off as painless as possible, as an effort to keep our peace.

When we make it back to fort we can figure out exact next steps.
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Tag me for improvements, or take the bits you like.

Added leaving a letter, decreased the overall lethality. This is us peacefully noping out for the near future.

On mobile now, so commenting on long posts is difficult, if only because they don't fit on the screen :( Good reading though, will try to respond later.

Looks like the long talk is going to win. Feels a lot like stalling for time while we linger in indecision.

Also my plan does address second part of trial. Sit tight and don't rock the boat. Will add the do as Mari told you line tho, for clarity.
 
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