Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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I will never make that part canon. The "fast delivery" part might well be, but not the rest. Also, I always imagine that whole conversation occurring while Hanzou is holding a box of hot pizza.
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Sound is over 150 miles from our location. We're not exactly in Orochimaru's backyard. Grass and Waterfall are much more present concerns. Speaking of which, we're actually about a third of the known world away from Mist.
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Am I looking at the wrong river on the map?
Are we at point A, point B, or some other location?
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Am I looking at the wrong river on the map?
Are we at point A, point B, or some other location?
Point A.
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Oooooooh. Okay. I thought we were at B, thus my concern with Sound.
I'm not sure if it's more or less comforting that Leaf is basically *directly* between us and our home village...
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Should we start talking about goals for both Hazou and our new Village? I've had some thoughts on that, though it might be jumping the gun a bit.
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Go for it. Worst case is that your plan ends up invalidated by later developments, but it's unlikely that the *entire thing* will be invalidated. And goals are far less likely to be invalidated than plans.
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Alright, so I've been thinking on where this quest will go, given our starting position and trajectory, and it seems like our little group of Missing Nins will officially establish the Village Hidden in the Swamp, located in Fire Country. It may never truly become more than a minor village, as I don't think any current Major Village would tolerate more competition, but let's not count our eggs before they hatch. We aren't even a Village yet, and we have many things to do if we are to be secure enough to survive the coming months/years. The following are my proposed goals for our embryonic Village. Nothing very specific or ingenius, just the basics of our journey to be the Village Hidden in the Swamp.
1) Make the swamp safe for our own people. This is our biggest priority right now. The village will go absolutely nowhere if we have fatality rates for simply travelling to the village. No sane civilian will want to risk even travelling to the actual village, and forget living there. This step has two main substeps, in order of importance:
1a) Establish a safe base camp. We need a place to rest, and a place that our village buildings will go when we get things up and running. A cave is fairly defensible, but any Earth-using enemy shinobi could cave us in and kill everyone fairly easily. Plus I doubt we can find enough space to fit everything later on, so this will have to be out in the open eventually. Some minor terraforming will be needed to clear out a large area for structures and living quarters.
1b) Establish reliably safe travel routes/methods. As much as we're currently relying on the swamp's inherent deadliness to ward off potential attackers, we lost so much resources, talent and manpower both, just getting to where we are. Just the loss of that medic was massive, and our current rate of death is utterly unsustainable. As such, we need ways to get both our shinobi and civilian guests through the deadly swamp safe and consistently. At absolute best, this method would let us make it safe for only our people and allies, but making this swamp less deadly period may be a forced move if we want to go anywhere.
2) Get our village looking like a Hidden Village. As good as our natural surroundings are at defending from enemy attacks, we're not going to make it very far if the major Powers of this world would benefit from killing us. Our military strength is weak, and a single S-Class Shinobi could probably ruin us right now. Our living conditions make living here as a ninja or civilian a pretty terrible prospect. Once we ensure the safety of our own people from our environment, we can move on towards establishing a Hidden Village.
2a) Set up trade deals with merchants. A decent economy is an absolute necessity, and we're going to find some ways to gain resources and start laying the groundwork. It's not completely clear right now if there's any natural resources in this swamp that's valuable enough to get this whole thing off the ground, but we should start looking for them right now. Becoming a contributor to the world economy will also give us more legitimacy, but more on that later.
2b) SimCity this place. We need hospitals, we need comfortable living quarters, we need schools, we need waste disposal, we need security measures, we need defensive structures, we need a lot to make our Village grow. A Village cannot consist of ninja only, we really need civilian economy to back it up.
3) Gain legitimacy as Hidden Village. This is extremely important if we want to accomplish anything. We need to get ourselves recognized as a Minor Village, not a dangerous group of traitors, if we want to live. Establishing diplomatic and economic ties with our neighbors will be huge, though Leaf is the most important. We are completely on their territory right now, and we will have to make it worthwhile for them to allow our existence. That means becoming important enough that they won't just wipe us out with ANBU squads to exterminate the missing-nin trash off of their property. Our military strength and economic presence will need to be at a sufficient level Leaf would be willing to grant us clearance to live here, as an added buffer against both Rock and the three minor Countries that are close to our location. Giving resources to Leaf as a tax will be well worth establishing these vital diplomatic ties. Getting diplomatic status will allow us to officially take ninja missions without pissing off every Hidden Village nearby.
1) Make the swamp safe for our own people. This is our biggest priority right now. The village will go absolutely nowhere if we have fatality rates for simply travelling to the village. No sane civilian will want to risk even travelling to the actual village, and forget living there. This step has two main substeps, in order of importance:
1a) Establish a safe base camp. We need a place to rest, and a place that our village buildings will go when we get things up and running. A cave is fairly defensible, but any Earth-using enemy shinobi could cave us in and kill everyone fairly easily. Plus I doubt we can find enough space to fit everything later on, so this will have to be out in the open eventually. Some minor terraforming will be needed to clear out a large area for structures and living quarters.
1b) Establish reliably safe travel routes/methods. As much as we're currently relying on the swamp's inherent deadliness to ward off potential attackers, we lost so much resources, talent and manpower both, just getting to where we are. Just the loss of that medic was massive, and our current rate of death is utterly unsustainable. As such, we need ways to get both our shinobi and civilian guests through the deadly swamp safe and consistently. At absolute best, this method would let us make it safe for only our people and allies, but making this swamp less deadly period may be a forced move if we want to go anywhere.
2) Get our village looking like a Hidden Village. As good as our natural surroundings are at defending from enemy attacks, we're not going to make it very far if the major Powers of this world would benefit from killing us. Our military strength is weak, and a single S-Class Shinobi could probably ruin us right now. Our living conditions make living here as a ninja or civilian a pretty terrible prospect. Once we ensure the safety of our own people from our environment, we can move on towards establishing a Hidden Village.
2a) Set up trade deals with merchants. A decent economy is an absolute necessity, and we're going to find some ways to gain resources and start laying the groundwork. It's not completely clear right now if there's any natural resources in this swamp that's valuable enough to get this whole thing off the ground, but we should start looking for them right now. Becoming a contributor to the world economy will also give us more legitimacy, but more on that later.
2b) SimCity this place. We need hospitals, we need comfortable living quarters, we need schools, we need waste disposal, we need security measures, we need defensive structures, we need a lot to make our Village grow. A Village cannot consist of ninja only, we really need civilian economy to back it up.
3) Gain legitimacy as Hidden Village. This is extremely important if we want to accomplish anything. We need to get ourselves recognized as a Minor Village, not a dangerous group of traitors, if we want to live. Establishing diplomatic and economic ties with our neighbors will be huge, though Leaf is the most important. We are completely on their territory right now, and we will have to make it worthwhile for them to allow our existence. That means becoming important enough that they won't just wipe us out with ANBU squads to exterminate the missing-nin trash off of their property. Our military strength and economic presence will need to be at a sufficient level Leaf would be willing to grant us clearance to live here, as an added buffer against both Rock and the three minor Countries that are close to our location. Giving resources to Leaf as a tax will be well worth establishing these vital diplomatic ties. Getting diplomatic status will allow us to officially take ninja missions without pissing off every Hidden Village nearby.
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Doubly important, because unless we want to do everything ourselves we will need money. And because we need money we need clients. Because we need clients we need a way to attract them. Major villages have it easy. They just welcome people straight in the front gate and tell them where to go to hie ninjas. We don't have that option.
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It seems wrong that a "hidden" village has to advertise.
Also how are we looking for food right now? How many food pills do we have?
Also how are we looking for food right now? How many food pills do we have?
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Well any ninja should have enough wilderness survival skills to live off the land right? Or is that a special skill? We also need to idenifty the plants and animals in the swamp to see if any are valuable or useful what skill would that be? Survival?
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We should be getting an actual goal to accomplish for our first mission, once the time rolls around for our QM to post. We can be on the look out for a lot of what @ChronOblivion posted about for places suitable to expand our base. I had said much the same a few pages back.
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I second that.
Let's not forget that the Land of Fire is ultimately ruled not by the Hokage but by the Fire Daimyō. We of course don't want to antagonize Konoha but this fact still seems important for any political maneuvers we plan on doing to get legitimacy as the only known second ninja village in one country.
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I would expect there to be some sort of limited exclusivity in the contract that the First Hokage worked out with the fire Daimyo when he set up the village in the first place. It seems like a major oversight to have not included it in the negotiations.
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@Rafin Ah yes, I did forget about him. Probably because he has a staggering lack of presence in the anime.
According to his wiki article, he is fickle and indecisive, relying on his advisors to do the work of coming up with the right option. The opinions of the current Hokage will likely matter greatly, but we will still need his approval.
According to his wiki article, he is fickle and indecisive, relying on his advisors to do the work of coming up with the right option. The opinions of the current Hokage will likely matter greatly, but we will still need his approval.
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We could also avoid that by simply returning to Mist after we've increased our strength dramatically, and destroying the entire power structure and taking over, in response for sending us to die. Then we wouldn't have to worry about Fire Nation politics for anything more than short- and medium-terms.
After all, Mist is our home, and something as minor as being sentenced to death-by-mission for pissing off the local gambling collective is no reason to completely abandon our home. And with enough power, we can make them accept our return.
After all, Mist is our home, and something as minor as being sentenced to death-by-mission for pissing off the local gambling collective is no reason to completely abandon our home. And with enough power, we can make them accept our return.
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@Icehawk78 By the time we're miliatarily able to do that, we'll likely be very established already in several ways.
I don't think it's possible to become that strong, considering we have no real advantage over them besides the fact that we're controlling one genin. There's *so* much minmaxing that'll need to happen before we are any threat to a jounin, let alone the kage. The rest of the group is only going to get stronger at the same speed that the rest of Mist is getting stronger.
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@ChronOblivion Well, perhaps, but it's always good to have mid-term goals.
@gbear605 I mean, we don't have real advantages over them yet. But that's no reason to assume we won't be able to develop them.
(I still attest that long-term should be ensuring that all sophonts have full access to Chakratic abilities, immortality, and safety.)
@gbear605 I mean, we don't have real advantages over them yet. But that's no reason to assume we won't be able to develop them.
(I still attest that long-term should be ensuring that all sophonts have full access to Chakratic abilities, immortality, and safety.)
Rihaku
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We would want to avoid the symbolic term 'Hidden Village,' as it unnecessarily intrudes upon the legitimacy of Hidden Leaf. Ideally, if we are going to be dealing with the official forces of the Fire nation in any capacity, our win condition would be legitimization as 'Konohagakure Auxilaries' or some manner of forward base, under the remit and within the chain of command of the Hokage - assuming we would want our presence known at all. Of course this would only be after Konoha med-nins manufacture corpses for Konoha to show to Hidden Mist, and surgically alter our faces to be unrecognizable.
Given ninja village populations of 1000, jounin populations of likely ~100, a force of 27 with 3 jounins present yields an expected value of 5.4 jounins (3 + 10% jounin graduation rate among ninja populace). With most of the village's offensive potential concentrated in the jounins, this represents basically a 5% increase in the Hidden Leaf's overall firepower, achieved at relatively minimal cost to them.
Consider what the US Armed Forces would do for a 5.4% budget increase.
Similarly, unless Konoha's decision makers are especially arrogant, they can expect an annihilation campaign against us to lose them at least 1-2 jounin, even if they deploy an overwhelming force. Once you factor in the swamp, there is not much benefit to Konoha in attacking us unless we actively make trouble.
Given ninja village populations of 1000, jounin populations of likely ~100, a force of 27 with 3 jounins present yields an expected value of 5.4 jounins (3 + 10% jounin graduation rate among ninja populace). With most of the village's offensive potential concentrated in the jounins, this represents basically a 5% increase in the Hidden Leaf's overall firepower, achieved at relatively minimal cost to them.
Consider what the US Armed Forces would do for a 5.4% budget increase.
Similarly, unless Konoha's decision makers are especially arrogant, they can expect an annihilation campaign against us to lose them at least 1-2 jounin, even if they deploy an overwhelming force. Once you factor in the swamp, there is not much benefit to Konoha in attacking us unless we actively make trouble.
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I freely admit that I'm jumping in pretty late in this discussion, but is there a reason you are assuming such very low numbers for the totals of Konoha's military? Did I miss a word of QM on the average size of the major villages?
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