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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
Aren't Pangolin and their items considered to be chakra constructs? Wouldn't Keiko need to go to the Seventh Path herself to get them?
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Our idea for GLORIOUS 7TH PATH TRADE:

A central locale (7th path UN and/or accorded neutral territory via Holy Pangolin Alliance declaration lets say) where summoners can place a summon they have a contact with and go there to facilitate (via storage seals) instant transport of EN goods across vast distances.


The inverse(except not quite):

Have a single summoner with multiple contracted summons spread throughout the 7th Path to facilitate instantaneous exchange of resources /culture/goods/messages/whatever on the 7tj path.

By the way, the latter would be useful in instantaneous military info exchange across the 7th path.
 
MMKII said:
A central locale (7th path UN and/or accorded neutral territory via Holy Pangolin Alliance declaration lets say) where summoners can place a summon they have a contact with and go there to facilitate (via storage seals) instant transport of EN goods across vast distances.
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Is there anyone besides the akatsuki and Leaf who even has a scroll, much less a contract?
 
Alright, socials talk has stopped again so I updated my manual tally with new votes and changed opinions:
  • Deceit/Empathy: MadScientist, traverseda, Asquil, Tua, Shadowwarp, Esryok (Total 6)
  • Deceit/Presence: Oneiros, HuhYeahGoodPoint, Evenstar, Shard, Briefvoice, Roomba, faflec, Vecht, KaGoGoGadgetMe, Cariyaga, Noumero (Total 11)
  • DERP: MMKII, Cariyaga, KaGoGoGadgetMe, faflec, Inferno Vulpix, MadScientist (Total 6)
And looking at this, I think there are a few general statements I can describe that sum up the opinion of the hivemind. Out of 19 unique votes:
  • Pretty much everyone wants Deceit in our build.
  • 14 people want Presence in our build. (sum of unique votes in Deceit/Presence and DERP)
  • 11 people want Empathy in our build. (sum of unique votes in Deceit/Empathy and DERP)
  • 6 people have expressed favour for DERP.
  • A few people have expressed disfavour towards DERP. (not listed, but collected loosely from expressed sentiments)
As it turns out, support for Presence and Empathy aren't actually that far apart, but most of the DERP votes are also Presence votes, which gives the suggestion that the people who chose Presence are somewhat likely to be willing to compromise in favour of DERP, while those who chose Empathy are less likely.

Of course, the fact that DERP was introduced later and there were probably a lot of casual 'vote and forget' situations means that DERP support might easily be underrepresented here.

The way I would see this playing out if we had to build Hazou's socials right now is that Deceit/Presence would take the lead, and then after pushback from Deceit/Empathy supporters would be willing to compromise on the DERP build. I could be wrong though. And of course the whole point is moot until we finally get to socials in the first place, which may take quite a long time.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Alright, socials talk has stopped again so I updated my manual tally with new votes and changed opinions:
  • Deceit/Empathy: MadScientist, traverseda, Asquil, Tua, Shadowwarp, Esryok (Total 6)
  • Deceit/Presence: Oneiros, HuhYeahGoodPoint, Evenstar, Shard, Briefvoice, Roomba, faflec, Vecht, KaGoGoGadgetMe, Cariyaga, Noumero (Total 11)
  • DERP: MMKII, Cariyaga, KaGoGoGadgetMe, faflec, Inferno Vulpix, MadScientist (Total 6)
And looking at this, I think there are a few general statements I can describe that sum up the opinion of the hivemind. Out of 19 unique votes:
  • Pretty much everyone wants Deceit in our build.
  • 14 people want Presence in our build. (sum of unique votes in Deceit/Presence and DERP)
  • 11 people want Empathy in our build. (sum of unique votes in Deceit/Empathy and DERP)
  • 6 people have expressed favour for DERP.
  • A few people have expressed disfavour towards DERP. (not listed, but collected loosely from expressed sentiments)
As it turns out, support for Presence and Empathy aren't actually that far apart, but most of the DERP votes are also Presence votes, which gives the suggestion that the people who chose Presence are somewhat likely to be willing to compromise in favour of DERP, while those who chose Empathy are less likely.

Of course, the fact that DERP was introduced later and there were probably a lot of casual 'vote and forget' situations means that DERP support might easily be underrepresented here.

The way I would see this playing out if we had to build Hazou's socials right now is that Deceit/Presence would take the lead, and then after pushback from Deceit/Empathy supporters would be willing to compromise on the DERP build. I could be wrong though. And of course the whole point is moot until we finally get to socials in the first place, which may take quite a long time.
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I'd like to cast an informal vote for Deceit/Presence, and then DERP as my second choice.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
As it turns out, support for Presence and Empathy aren't actually that far apart, but most of the DERP votes are also Presence votes, which gives the suggestion that the people who chose Presence are somewhat likely to be willing to compromise in favour of DERP, while those who chose Empathy are less likely.
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I voted for Deceit/Presence, and yes, I would be willing to compromise on DERP if we decide to focus on social skills so completely.
 
Noumero said:
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, what happens if a pregnant Summoner tries to get reverse-summoned to the Seventh Path?

Edit: Also, if it goes without issues, what happens if said Summoner gives birth there and then tries to return to the Human Realm?
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A mess. Why do you think that jinchuuriki aren't allowed to be summoners? Technically, they can, but...

-actually, in that case, Naruto might be able to get around the restriction by only allowing shadow clones to be reverse-summoned.
 
Lailoken said:
A mess. Why do you think that jinchuuriki aren't allowed to be summoners? Technically, they can, but...

-actually, in that case, Naruto might be able to get around the restriction by only allowing shadow clones to be reverse-summoned.
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I think the demon chakra has more to do with why jinchuuriki aren't allowed to be summoners.
 
18scsc said:
I think the demon chakra has more to do with why jinchuuriki aren't allowed to be summoners.
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I would think it might be due to the extremely complicated and possibly fragile (in the context of dimension hopping) bit of sealing keeping the demon locked in an extradimensional cage tied to his stomach?
 
MMKII said:
I would think it might be due to the extremely complicated and possibly fragile (in the context of dimension hopping) bit of sealing keeping the demon locked in an extradimensional cage tied to his stomach?
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(Some canon knowledge speculation, just so we are clear about the sources.)

Imagine how a denizen of the Seventh Path feels about jinchuuriki.

Bijuu are stronger than boss summons and share the traits of being intelligent animals. And a jinchuuriki is basically humans saying "See that incredibly powerful and intelligent animal over there? We enslaved them, what do you think we would do to you if we put our minds to it?".

With that in mind, it wouldn't surprise me if the reason Naruto can't be a summoner because it iphysically impossible but that summons really hate having to work with jinchuurikis due to the implied threat. They probably don't want someone like them in their realm.

E: Though the much simpler explanation is: summoner provides their chakra to form the chakra construct the summons go into -> demon chakra corrupts the construct/the mind in it and the technique fails.
 
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Noumero said:
They'll be incentivized to look for said signs very hard, because Clans hate each other and will love an opportunity to subjugate a fellow alliance member, but they won't invent such signs because 1) any one Clan's false reports will be contradicted by reports of other Clans, 2) they'll fear that the same will be done to them. Of course, that leaves the possibility of [all-1] allied Clans agreeing to kill one member of the alliance off, but hopefully they won't be able to coordinate that well for a while.
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That's so easily gameable it's not even funny. Anything from sub-alliances firming that accuse each other to all the members (currently only between two and four on our radar) actually liking each other (or at least the conquest they can do together) enough to cover each other. Don't forget that for quite some time there will be far more clans that are neither members nor happy that an alliance with a steady superweapon supply and at least one aggressively expansionist member exists in the first place.
Noumero said:
Do they? From what we saw of the Pangolins' High Command, they're best modeled as sociopaths.
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Why would you think that? They seem no more sociopathic than any historical political leadership of any real world genocidal and/or slaver nation. Of which there were a lot.
Roomba said:
Or, thinking more long-term, for ways to slowly alter the cultures of Seventh Path clans so that future equilibria still represent progress over the status quo even if the current one collapses (which it will, eventually).
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We don't even know anything about said cultures. All we know is the Pangolin and stuff we heard third hand about the Crows. Hazou knows some stuff about the Toads as well, but we the players don't as of yet. Anything we heard beyond that is mostly obvious propaganda.
 
By the way, we should give Kagome Karasu's encoded sealing notes that Ami procured for us. We should have done it yesterday; if anyone could crack them, it's him.
 
MadScientist said:
I'd love to, but do we have time? Genuine question, I'm not sure what our timetable looks like.
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I'm hopeful we can sneak stuff in between meeting with people. We don't have to go super-hard on research, ideally we'd go for the easy-to-research stuff, like...LBF? I'm pretty sure that's a simpler seal we can learn since we should have Kagome's and Jiraiya's notes on the subject.
 
faflec said:
I'm hopeful we can sneak stuff in between meeting with people. We don't have to go super-hard on research, ideally we'd go for the easy-to-research stuff, like...LBF? I'm pretty sure that's a simpler seal we can learn since we should have Kagome's and Jiraiya's notes on the subject.
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Yeah we could probably do like 4 hours of research a day
 
Previous mistakes indicate we really do need to block off time for research in increments of "Days." unless the thing is decenlty trivial.
 
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