My personal worry is that the obvious material for dying a black color, cloth, might overheat and possibly catch fire. Though I'm not an expert on the subject matter so this might all be a pile of bullshit.

Beyond that...maybe there's a chakra monster that can help us. Seems to be a reasonable go-to solution.
I'm not even remotely informed of the inner workings of the solar balloon but i will look it up in-depth tommorow because right now it's 5:12 am here :D
though i had that worry as well about it catching fire...
 
Wait, aren't dyes valuable with 12th century tech? We might be able to make money by grinding stuff up and seeing what makes pretty colors.
Last past for the night:

Don't they already dye their clothes to and they probably use hair dye for infiltration so it may not be that valuable, maybe devise a plan for the next chapter so Hazoe checks how much dye costs if we don't already have that information.
 
How am I supposed to write a grant proposal then?! :p
It's simple.

The grant proposal is meant to take place inside the Elemental Nations, and has to pass an NSF review. The obvious solution to this seeming contradiction is that an entire NSF review board gets spontaneously isekai'd for the purpose of reviewing this grant proposal. Take this in mind as you craft the paper and you should be fine.
 
This is definitely the right place to post your ideas.

I think air domes are immobile relative to the ground. But heat seals do exist, even if we haven't seen them personally.

If we can find a way to cheaply generate large quantities of airtight cloth, we should be in business.
Depending on how explosive seals work, a heat seal sounds like it's similar to an explosion seal, just a lot slower. We might be able to engineer one on that basis.
 
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Actually, as the only major nation with a major maritime presence, luxary dye might be something which Mist could be a heck of an exporter of. Kage purple could be huge.

We still need to pick up some cone snails for J, by the way.
 
Also, a quick reminder that in order to get the award you need to be 100% in compliance with the NSF's grant-writing guidelines, and the QMs need to determine that it would have passed the review process. I disrecommend actually trying to do this; writing a grant takes months of full-time effort. I did promise an XP award if someone did it and I'll back that up, but I said it mostly as a joke, not expecting anyone to go for it. I think it would be a poor use of your time, but I certainly won't stop you.
NSF? If the grant proposal has military applications, can we use ONR's, ARO's, or DARPA's instead? Those tend to be simpler.
Are you suggesting that Keiko is the Angel Summoner or the BMX bandit in that situation? :>
Well, the first one can summon extradimensional creatures of immense power to do his or her bidding; and the second one is primarily a CQC spec, who comes up with overly convoluted plans that always need to be adjusted by the first one, and that invariably lead to disaster when they aren't. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out who is who.
 
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Hazou decided to sit back and see if he could pick out any hints on how to get picked. It soon became clear that proctors were avoiding ninja who were too blatant, but were definitely leaning toward people who were doing something besides standing around.

After a moment's contemplation, Hazou turned his back on the proctors and addressed the Rock girl he'd just passed. "Hi!" he said brightly, not permitting his smile to falter when she jumped in surprise. "I'm Gōketsu Hazou."

"And I'm… Suzuki Kimi," she answered hesitantly, her brows briefly knitting together.

"I'm sorry if I surprised you. I just sort of figured talking was better than waiting around to get picked, you know?"

"Mhm." 'Suzuki' had schooled her face into a calm mask.

Eyebrow Position 4 + Smirk 7: Amused Teasing "Why so tense?"

"Because I know what you're doing."

Eyebrow Position 3 + Laugh 11: Spontaneous Amusement "Yeah? That puts you one step ahead of me. Mind sharing?"

Her face flashed disgust. "You Leaf nin are ridiculous. You think I won't beat you into a pulp if you get all buddy-buddy with me? My village actually instills our ninja with discipline instead of letting them grow lazy on the fat of the land."

Hazou took a step back and raised his hands to a placating position. "Woah, okay, I apologize if I've offended you--"

"Yeah, go on, apologize!" She was shouting by now, and gesticulating wildly. A small bubble had opened up around them as people stepped back to watch. "Back down instead of standing up for yourself! Go back and whine to all the other softies about how I hurt your poor little feelings and--"

"Aaaand that's enough. You two, come with us," a woman on the sidelines said authoritatively. Hazou turned to look as a pair of Mist proctors walked into the burgeoning fight-ring.

Suzuki immediately went to attention, her expression calm once more. Hazou took slightly longer.

"You, follow Aoi here," the lead proctor said, gesturing from Suzuki to the other armband-wearing woman. "Boy, follow me."

Hazou nodded, doing his best to quiet his thumping heart. Getting into a fight before any of the real events started would not have boded well.

Just before she leapt up onto a nearby roof to follow her own proctor, Suzuki turned around and winked at him. "Good teamwork Gōketsu! No hard feelings?"

She didn't wait for a reply.

I'm still sorry we didn't get to know her better...
 
Alright, so...Spoilers.
  • We don't know how true-to-canon a lot of people are. Don't ask what happened to Obito. Hazou doesn't know.
  • We don't know a lot of techniques other people have. Don't ask if the Mangekyo Sharingan exists, because HAZOU DOESN'T KNOW (a Tsukuyomi-like technique was used, but it is unclear if it is Tsukuyomi).
  • Lots of clans are OC because Kishimoto isn't great with worldbuilding outside of Leaf. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAKE OC BLOODLINES AND POST THEM WHERE THE QMS CAN SEE YOU. THEY WILL MAKE THEM CANON AND USE THEM TO TRY AND KILL YOU.
  • We are in ~12th century Japan/Asia, meaning no computers, no radios, and no guns. If you are unfamiliar with what 12th century Asia is like, it sucks.
  • The world of Marked for Death is worse than normal, because this is a deathworld, meaning literally everything has evolved ways to try and kill you. The reason everything is out to kill you is because chakra exists, and has seeped into the natural flora/fauna. Meaning they can use chakra for their own taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, etc.. All of which is used to kill you.
  • Ninjas are extremely powerful due to the ability to use chakra, bloodlines, and generally better quality of life. Consequently, they represent an absurdly overpowered upper class who can slaughter significant numbers of civilians without having to worry. In other words, the canon plot point of "Haku's family of ninjas is killed by civilians" or the "armless Zabuza is killed by Gato's civilian mercenaries" never happens. Because ninjas are bullshit.
  • It is generally accepted that the Sot6P was responsible for giving chakra to the world. Whether this is true or not is yet to be definitively established.
  • Word of QM says that Zetsu, Kaguya, and the Moon's Eye Plan do not exist. This is because those plotlines are dumb.
  • All summons are in a different dimension. A literal different dimension, you can't walk to Mount Myōboku. Legend has it that the Sage created said dimension, and the Summoning Scrolls to allow communications (and other things) to go between said dimensions. There are a lot of legends about the Sage.
  • Hashirama still formed Leaf, with many other villages responding in kind soon after. Madara still exists, betrayed Hashirama, and lost their battle. It is unclear if Madara survived or not.
  • Villages consist of mostly clans with bloodlines who joined forces in order to avoid getting slaughtered by big villages (though some exceptions still exist). Civilian-born ninjas are considered barely above missing-nin in the sense that they have no loyalty to any clan, though things are improving. Somewhat.
  • The Land of Iron is an impoverished shithole. The leader, the 'Liberator', attempted to overthrow the ninja order due to the oppression of ninjas, and supposedly had some way of enhancing the civilian population to be capable of fighting ninjas. The ninjas did not like the idea of being overthrown and banded together to stop that. Which means that they slaughtered the lot of them.
  • The three ninja world wars still happened. Kakashi still got the Sharingan, and nobody knows how he didn't die in the process (12th century tech should not have allowed a successful eye transplant). Uzugakure was still destroyed, because they were insanely powerful sealmasters and an international coalition didn't like the idea of them having power. Shit went down, nobody knows exactly what happened. The entire invading force, and Uzugakure, went poof and vanished.
  • Yagura is...not insane as he was in canon. He's still an authoritarian asshole who introduced significant oppressive laws in Mist and generally made the quality of life there shit...but he's not stupid. No massacres of clans (save the Kaguya, who were still, apparently, insane), no 'kill your teammate to graduate the Academy'...that would be self-destructive. So it didn't happen. He's still the Sanbi Jinchuriki, or was until [SPOILERS].
  • Akatsuki exists, with all canon members save Tobi (unseen) and Zetsu (retcon'd) having made an off-screen appearance. Their motivations are still unknown to us.
  • Orochimaru still left Konoha. His true motivations are unknown (but probably still sinister).
  • Naruto is still the Kyuubi Jinchuriki (blah blah or was), but Konoha treated him kindly because neglecting your jinchuriki is dumb. He's openly the Yondaime's son and Jiraiya's godson, and Jiraiya pretty much raised him. Properly, this time. He is far more skilled than he was in P1 of canon, and was able to defeat Zabuza with his abilities (NB: Zabuza is the thread's bogeyman and a low-S class ninja here. He's not a scrub like in canon).
  • The Hyuga Incident is unknown to have actually happened.
  • The Uchiha Massacre still happened, but Itachi spared Sasuke and civilian Uchiha. Whether the massacre was ordered or not is unknown to the playerbase.
  • Many of your expected characters may be somewhat OOC due to QMs deciding that their canon selves, and the reasonings for them being like this, is dumb. Hinata acts far more confident because Hiashi would not neglect his daughter and heir apparent in such a dumb ass way. The Hyuga as a whole are elitist as fuck (they're kinda assholes, you know?). Tenten got characterization.
That's the background. Now, since the players decided to semi-mind control our main character (Hazou)...
  • We fled Mist as missing-nin and went to hide in Leaf. Which was a mother fucking dumb ass decision, since Leaf has a whole fuckton of sensor-types. We (Hazou, his teammates Noburi and Keiko, their sensei Mari) escaped the budding hidden village and left them all to die horribly.
  • We got recruited into Jiraiya's off-the-books spy network and infiltrated the quoteSecond Coming Of The Liberatorunquote. Which was a front for Orochimaru's sneks. We got a new teammate (Akane), who is a female, and less insane, version of Rock Lee.
  • Kagome joined the party. He is a paranoid conspiracy theorist who reguarly fears mind-control chakra plants being inserted into his various orifices. He is also an explosives sealmaster and likes blowing stuff up.
  • We traveled to Tea and mucked around finding a Summoning Scroll. In the process we rediscovered a truly Hidden Village (since they isolated themselves for four hundred-odd years) and proceeded to upend their entire social structure by taking their sacred artifiact (the Summoning Scroll) and leaving. Keiko signed the Pangolin Summoning Contract, and got a cute little Pandaa.
  • We traveled to Hot Springs, a demilitarized zone known for its resorts and...well, hot springs, to steal a message. We proceeded to kill a Jonin, two civilians, and a Chunin (?), and wrecked part of an inn. We were also spotted. This resulted in Hot Springs allying with Mist in order to kill us, since Yagura still retained his murderboner for missing-nin, and polarized the continent because Mist gained access to a continental front to send its ninjas to attack other countries like Leaf.
  • Jiraiya made us go to the Land of Rice, which isn't openly controlled by Orochimaru. We kidnapped a biosealer (if you know Worm, think Bonesaw) and cut off parts of her face.
  • We got to interact with Leaf-nin (yay!) and then got stuck in a killbox (NAY!). Jiraiya kicked us out.
  • We fled to Iron, Snow (which is an inhospitable shithole where barely anything lives), and then to some small summer islands south of nowhere. In the process we discovered that a seal we had access to let us cheat out flight (Skywalkers). We promptly sold said seals to Jiraiya in exchanged for becoming Leaf-nin and his adopted clan. We also sold seals that allow for airborne platforms (Skytowers) to the Pangolins.
  • Flight is a big deal in this world. A ninja who can fly has an obscene advantage over a ninja who can't. Leaf promptly began planning to decapitate Mist's leadership in order prevent the next Ninja World War. They then carried out their plan, using Naruto as bait. They mostly succeeded, except Hiruzen died fighting Yagura. Apparently he had a bad day.
  • Unfortunately, Akatsuki managed to find out about their battle and kidnapped Naruto and Yagura. And slaughtered everyone else save Jiraiya*, who barely managed to get out alive.
    • *Naruto's Jonin-sensei, Nakamura (yes, not Kakashi), survived because he fled when Akatsuki attacked. Zabuza faked his death, although Hazou doesn't know that.
  • Jiraiya took the position of Godaime Hokage by threatening to murder the clans if they didn't comply, and also fulfilled his promise to us by adopting us as his clan. Hiashi is pissed at this and has been plotting to overthrow Jiraiya and take the hat himself.
  • We went on a long-term courier mission with Minami Nikko, a member of a potentially allied clan. Who then died, and her clan blamed us and we lost a fuckton of money as a result. We are now broke.
  • The Chunin Exams started (yay!) in Mist (NAY!). We went because not doing so would show weakness, and Jiraiya's position is tenuous.
  • Keiko solved our problems by selling Pangolins more Skytowers. More on this later.
  • We went to the Chunin Exams. Mist was a bunch of petty assholes, but we managed to make the tournament (where we are now). It was looooooong.
  • It turns out the Pangolins are the Summoning Realm's equivalent of Nazis. And we just kickstarted their expansion and genocide of their races. But we can't stop givin them Skytowers, since then we'd be broke again and our position would be FUBAR. Oh noes.
  • Hazou's mother got to go to Leaf as a "diplomat" (yay!) and then proceeded to turn our adoptive mother into a suicidal mess (NAY!). Jiraiya responded by beating the fuck out of her and kicking her out of Leaf (yay?). Tsunade has been trying to help her. Akane (our ex-girlfriend/teammate/fellow ex-missing nin) tried to do it a different way. Tsunade popped her. Akane's funeral is scheduled for next week.
  • We are now at the tournament. Leaf has won every single one of their matches unless they were fighting against fellow Leaf-nin. Noburi lost to Hinata, which is bad because it makes the Goketsu look weak relative to the Hyuga, their political rivals.
That's a...condensed summary.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail can this get an apocrypha threadmark? "An Abridged History of MfD up to [now]" or something?
Strictly speaking it's still pre-update, but I admit I would be slightly concerned if Cariyaga spent until Thursday pressing F5 obsessively.
Strictly speaking, it'll forevermore be post-update.
It's simple.

The grant proposal is meant to take place inside the Elemental Nations, and has to pass an NSF review. The obvious solution to this seeming contradiction is that an entire NSF review board gets spontaneously isekai'd for the purpose of reviewing this grant proposal. Take this in mind as you craft the paper and you should be fine.

"We're in a world that's entirely like Australia on steroids, Amy just got eaten by a giant ostrich, Engin was exploded by some... plant? and that asshole stabbed Daniel WITH A BALL OF LIGHTNING IN HIS HAND! AND YOU WANT US TO REVIEW A GRANT PROPOSAL AFTER THIS?!"
 
Your"? Unless… Shikamaru is is Shikaku is Orochimaru confirmed!
Fixed, thanks.

I had another macerator thought that's probably already been mentioned. Could we seal a block of iron and burning magnesium to make a thermite emitting macerator?
Yes, if you obey volume and mass limitations, the single-object rule, find a workable method for storing burning magnesium without destroying the seal in the process, identify a way to refine magnesium with 12th century tech, and find a plausible way for Hazō to come up with the plan given a total lack of knowledge about the periodic table, unusual metals, the burning characteristics of magnesium, and pretty much every bit of science more sophisticated that the loom.

-2. I think "nested footnotes" — the one I'm currently demonstrating — is better in that regard. With nested parentheticals, it's harder to identify the depth level of the message you're reading, which makes it harder to jump between them (for example, if you forgot what the higher-level message was about).
You're absolutely right, but that's not the point. It was difficult to follow by intent, to give a sense of how challenging it is to follow someone else's stream of consciousness... And also because it let me sneak things onto the page.



NSF? If the grant proposal has military applications, can we use ONR's, ARO's, or DARPA's instead? Those tend to be simpler.
Nope, sorry. My company is writing an NSF grant. If we need to experience the misery, so do y'all. Besides, if y'all do a really good job we might want to hire you to actually write our grant. :>
 
Yes, if you obey volume and mass limitations, the single-object rule, find a workable method for storing burning magnesium without destroying the seal in the process, identify a way to refine magnesium with 12th century tech, and find a plausible way for Hazō to come up with the plan given a total lack of knowledge about the periodic table, unusual metals, the burning characteristics of magnesium, and pretty much every bit of science more sophisticated that the loom.
"A wizard did it:V"
 
You're absolutely right, but that's not the point. It was difficult to follow by intent, to give a sense of how challenging it is to follow someone else's stream of consciousness... And also because it let me sneak things onto the page.
Oh, no, I understand that. I was responding to the thread playing around with the concept, not to the update.
You numbered from 1, adding new ones as you went, with most of them being footnotes nested inside footnotes. You had a footnote #7 but did not actually have a [7] in there anywhere -- was that a mistake?
No, it was an example of playing around with the format: a footnote which is not referenced anywhere, and could only be found by reading the message straight through, a "secret" footnote.

Numbering is a bit more complicated. Text is divided into "layers": layer-0 is the main text, layer-1 is the sum of all footnotes referenced in the main text, layer-2 is the sum of all footnotes referenced in the footnotes which are referenced in the main text, and so on. Numbering doesn't go straightforwardly, it goes per-layer: if layer-0 contains 3 footnotes and layer 1 contains 1, they'll be numbered 1-2-3, and then the footnote in layer-1 will be numbered 4 — even if it's referenced in footnote #1 and will be read before footnotes 2 and 3.

Example of "straightforward" numbering:
Main text1​ main text4​ main text.

1. Text2​ text text3​ text.
2. Text text.
3. Text text.
4. Text text.
There, we start reading the main text, encounter a footnote, start reading it, meet two new footnotes inside that footnote, read them, return to the main text, and encounter another footnote. They're numbered in order of encounter: 1-2-3-4.

Example of "per-layer" numbering I use:
Main text1​ main text2​ main text.

1. Text3​ text text4​ text.
2. Text text.
3. Text text.
4. Text text.
There, if we're reading footnotes as they come up, we'll end up reading them in the following order: 1-3-4-2. However, footnotes in layer-0 sensibly go 1-2, and footnotes in layer-1 go 3-4; as opposed to straightforward numbering, where in layer-0 footnotes would go 1-4.

It's harder to write, but seems more aesthetically pleasing.
 
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Nope, sorry. My company is writing an NSF grant. If we need to experience the misery, so do y'all. Besides, if y'all do a really good job we might want to hire you to actually write our grant. :>
Hivemind Collective Grantwriting Agency? :p

I didn't actually find the parentheses hard to follow at all, but I also wrote like that myself until my english teachers broke me of the habit in high school.
 
"We're in a world that's entirely like Australia on steroids, Amy just got eaten by a giant ostrich, Engin was exploded by some... plant? and that asshole stabbed Daniel WITH A BALL OF LIGHTNING IN HIS HAND! AND YOU WANT US TO REVIEW A GRANT PROPOSAL AFTER THIS?!"
"Yes, we do. Note that for every day a review is late, we will remove a fingernail. Once you are out of fingernails and toenails, we will proceed to knuckles and beyond. On the plus side, you are allowed to recommend summary execution of the applicant if you feel that the application warrants it."

"Are the reviewers kept anonymous, at least?"

"In theory, yes. But, you know: ninja."
 
This would be a general question for the world.

1) Are we allowed to know anything about the world you're building or have build beyond what Hazou already knows?

2) And if we can, then I have to ask how much knowledge do the EN have of astrology, mathematics and chemistry and medicine as in what each organ does what are it's illnesses and cures for them and stuff like that, because some people in the community say that the world that Hazou is in is based on 12th century Japan, that means that they have absolutely no knowledge of mathematics and astrology probably even any medical knowledge.


3)I mean the people of the EN are basically just stabbing each other with sharp sticks and have some extremely basic farm that are probably harvested by hand. And what about political knowledge of the EN. Everyone is pretty much at each other's throats. Right?


4)Last question would be, if the world has no knowledge of mathematics or astrology the first thing to do for the advancement of the world would be political stabilization or "world peace" so that the EN can focus on advanced education and exploring theory's and concepts. Pretty much a Renaissance. Right?

I am asking these questions because for even the most basic hot air balloon development or even zeppelins we need extensive knowledge of what kind of technology and understanding of the world does the EN even have.

I have looked up a few flying vehicles like the hovercraft, but with wings and the mini trike, and it would seem that even if we replace the propeller and the engine with a wind elemental seal with directional capabilities or wind wall seal it would be still very challenging. Here is the mini trike video to see the basic concept of the flying vehicle we could build:


And the hot air balloon seems plausible with the black plastic bag like material and for what I have read about it, it wouldn't catch fire, but I'm not 100% sure, and even if we manage to build a hot air balloon with the black material there is air temperature to consider, like we can't fly at night or at morning or even during hot days or rainy or cloudy days. Because there would be no lift, and we have to take in the consideration of the humid air that we pump inside the balloon or zeppelin. That's why I propose that for flying vehicle it might be better to build something like the mini trike.
 
I have one more idea for the kawarimi that might have been proposed before, but I have no knowledge of. I read that the kawarimi can switch the person with an object and that it switches the momentum and directions of the objects. That means that if Hazou is facing a target from the front, to throw a log with immense momentum at it someone would have to throw the log before hand in the same forward direction as Hazou is currently facing, and if the log is thrown and Hazou has visual contact with the log he can switch with it and the log would pretty much keep the forward direction and momentum it had before hand. right?
So that pretty much Hazou could use the kawarimi as a launcher to attack his target right?
And if he has the time (2 Sec delay between kawarimi?) he can probably switch again for the surprise attack with a kunai or something.
 
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This would be a general question for the world.

1) Are we allowed to know anything about the world you're building or have build beyond what Hazou already knows?

2) And if we can, then I have to ask how much knowledge do the EN have of astrology, mathematics and chemistry and medicine as in what each organ does what are it's illnesses and cures for them and stuff like that, because some people in the community say that the world that Hazou is in is based on 12th century Japan, that means that they have absolutely no knowledge of mathematics and astrology probably even any medical knowledge.


3)I mean the people of the EN are basically just stabbing each other with sharp sticks and have some extremely basic farm that are probably harvested by hand. And what about political knowledge of the EN. Everyone is pretty much at each other's throats. Right?


4)Last question would be, if the world has no knowledge of mathematics or astrology the first thing to do for the advancement of the world would be political stabilization or "world peace" so that the EN can focus on advanced education and exploring theory's and concepts. Pretty much a Renaissance. Right?

I am asking these questions because for even the most basic hot air balloon development or even zeppelins we need extensive knowledge of what kind of technology and understanding of the world does the EN even have.

I have looked up a few flying vehicles like the hovercraft, but with wings and the mini trike, and it would seem that even if we replace the propeller and the engine with a wind elemental seal with directional capabilities or wind wall seal it would be still very challenging. Here is the mini trike video to see the basic concept of the flying vehicle we could build:


And the hot air balloon seems plausible with the black plastic bag like material and for what I have read about it, it wouldn't catch fire, but I'm not 100% sure, and even if we manage to build a hot air balloon with the black material there is air temperature to consider, like we can't fly at night or at morning or even during hot days or rainy or cloudy days. Because there would be no lift, and we have to take in the consideration of the humid air that we pump inside the balloon or zeppelin. That's why I propose that for flying vehicle it might be better to build something like the mini trike.


I think you're at the point where it might just be easier to read the story it find that stuff out first hand :p

Also you can't substitute with a kunai, since the object has to be close in size. There's also the page that has a list of jutsu we know and what they do, that's helpful to check as well.
 
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