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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Every few updates the Tipserator timeline grows more appealing...
 
eaglejarl said:
Jiraiya shrugged helplessly. "How do you measure chakra? It takes a lot. At least as much as summoning a high-end summon. Keiko, I know that you can summon some heavy hitters, but my impression is that doing so leaves you almost dry. I'm not letting you use Shadow Clones until you can pull in two of your biggest pangolins and still keep fighting without needing to tank up from Noburi. The rest of you, you'd have to have high-jōnin-level reserves before I'd let you try. If you don't have enough chakra to make it work, the jutsu will suck you dry and you'll be dead before you hit the floor."
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About that... we do have ideas :p
 
I mean... could we protect ourself from his wrath by breaking up the clan, and so destroying any political opposition Hiashi had?
 
eaglejarl said:
Kagome-sensei shifted uncomfortably.
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:cry:

eaglejarl said:
Jiraiya pushed himself upright. "Excuse me, I need to go hold her hair. Keiko, would you please get some water? Hazō, quick answer: I'll tell the Toads to put pressure on the Pangolins to shift into a consolidation phase, so at least we can slow down the war. Beyond that, we simply don't have the resources to address this issue. And, before you ask, we can't afford to cut down on Skytower sales. All that would do is put us on the outs with the Pangolin and possibly the Toad Clans, cut Keiko's combat power immensely, and strip us of the funds that we desperately need right now. I'm sorry." He turned and headed towards where the sounds of Mari-sensei's vomiting could still clearly be heard.
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Whelp. Things are looking pretty bad. I didn't think the geopolitical situation was as dire as it is. The Toads are a start on the Pangolin front, but it seems there isn't much we can do at present.

So, next order of business. Mist needs to be curtailed so that we can actually make progress on other issues. How do?

My thoughts are that they're only really a problem because they're backed into a corner (Yagura was a bigger problem, but no longer). There's also the issue of the old state system still being in place, though. If we could ease the pressure and also undermine the stranglehold the Mizukage has on the population, that seems promising.
 
A little more resistance than I expected, but not hugely out of bounds. I don't think Jiraiya has actually said much that really stops us from doing things, bar cutting down on trade, which is troublesome but not a total wall.

It's hard to be scared of Mist when we could nuke them off the map tomorrow if we really needed to, without anyone ever figuring out who did it.
 
Kiba said:
Well, it's not like we didn't predict shadow clones requiring such high chakra startup cost, higher than I expected though.
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Also the memories thing, "Clone Sickness". Naruto probably gets around that by having an unfathomable demon intelligence sealed inside him, but I don't think we're going to get more than maybe two going at a time unless we solve that, which will prove to be quite tricky since if it were easy (or even really hard but simple) to get past that Leaf would already be past that.
 
Vecht said:
My thoughts are that they're only really a problem because they're backed into a corner (Yagura was a bigger problem, but no longer). There's also the issue of the old state system still being in place, though. If we could ease the pressure and also undermine the stranglehold the Mizukage has on the population, that seems promising.
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It's a bit... of a making a problem to solve another kind of thing, but we ourselves represent a possible resolution to any internal strife the broodmare program causes. After all, if any kunoichi or their boyfriends are dissatisfied with how Mist's treating them, we've already demonstrated Leaf's willingness to accept them...
 
Veedrac said:
It's hard to be scared of Mist when we could nuke them off the map tomorrow if we really needed to, without anyone ever figuring out who did it.
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Perhaps not without anyone knowing for certain, but I'm fairly certain the other villages would have reasonable suspicion. At least, enough that a strike at Leaf would be likely, if for no other reason than as justification.

That said, I'm... maybe in favor of doing this? I mean, I'd like to at least try a less destructive approach first. But they really are the pillar of the resistance to Pax Leaf from the sound of things.

Also, I'll note that Noburi and Keiko wouldn't be as gung-ho about this (probably), and we'll have to choose between pushing them away or acting without their knowledge. I don't particularly care, but it's going to be a tough sell to other voters.
 
Well, this is all a bit of a pickle.

Sadly Hyūga are Agnatic Primogeniture so my usual CK2 strategy for breaking apart aggravating power-bases won't work.

Can we get Janshin to possess him? That always works wonders on aggravating vassals.
 
Vecht said:
Perhaps not without anyone knowing for certain, but I'm fairly certain the other villages would have reasonable suspicion. At least, enough that a strike at Leaf would be likely, if for no other reason than as justification.

That said, I'm... maybe in favor of doing this? I mean, I'd like to at least try a less destructive approach first. But they really are the pillar of the resistance to Pax Leaf from the sound of things.

Also, I'll note that Noburi and Keiko wouldn't be as gung-ho about this (probably), and we'll have to choose between pushing them away or acting without their knowledge. I don't particularly care, but it's going to be a tough sell to other voters.
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Don't forget that you'd also have to sell genocide to Hazou.
 
Mechanically speaking, Clone Sickness is probably modeled as rolling Resolve as a Defense against a Clone Sickness 'attack' of unknown target number. Failure is punished with mental consequences.

It does not surprise me that Naruto has Resolve at or near his peak skill. Being Determinator is one of his fundamental character traits, and the fact that it's also what makes shadow clones work just makes sense.
 
Cariyaga said:
Don't forget that you'd also have to sell genocide to Hazou.
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I get that you probably don't agree with this line of reasoning, but I don't think it would be a stretch from Hazou's characterization for him to "shut up and multiply," so to speak. A few thousand(?) dead in Mist to prevent a world war and stop an expansionist militaristic conquest that's already claimed... how many lives?

Whether we choose to go that route is another matter entirely, but TBF I don't think Hazou's characterization being a stumbling block is ever really going to be a substantive point.
 
I will point out that what Jiraiya has speculated that Ren could do there is kind of a worst-but-still-plausible case scenario, not necessarily the way things are currently leaning. He's saying that Ren has options other than just folding and doing what Leaf wants, and that it's an issue he very much has to focus on so that he secure the Leaf-Mist alliance that he's been trying to achieve, so that when the World War inevitably hits Leaf has as many advantages as possible.
 
Enjou said:
I will point out that what Jiraiya has speculated that Ren could do there is kind of a worst-but-still-plausible case scenario, not necessarily the way things are currently leaning. He's saying that Ren has options other than just folding and doing what Leaf wants, and that it's an issue he very much has to focus on so that he secure the Leaf-Mist alliance that he's been trying to achieve, so that when the World War inevitably hits Leaf has as many advantages as possible.
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@eaglejarl Is this what he meant? That's much less alarming if so, and something we can do more to affect.
 
Vecht said:
I get that you probably don't agree with this line of reasoning, but I don't think it would be a stretch from Hazou's characterization for him to "shut up and multiply," so to speak. A few thousand(?) dead in Mist to prevent a world war and stop an expansionist militaristic conquest that's already claimed... how many lives?

Whether we choose to go that route is another matter entirely, but TBF I don't think Hazou's characterization being a stumbling block is ever really going to be a substantive point.
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Ren was put forth as a compromise candidate by the clans.

If we convince the big Z to take the hat, I'm sure they would oblige him.
 
Vecht said:
I get that you probably don't agree with this line of reasoning, but I don't think it would be a stretch from Hazou's characterization for him to "shut up and multiply," so to speak. A few thousand(?) dead in Mist to prevent a world war and stop an expansionist militaristic conquest that's already claimed... how many lives?

Whether we choose to go that route is another matter entirely, but TBF I don't think Hazou's characterization being a stumbling block is ever really going to be a substantive point.
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Also, no, that's totally fair, I just think it's something worth thinking about.
 
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