Not exactly. In college basketball and football there is a commitee that's seeds teams. This is based on win loss record, strength of schedule and conferences championships coming into play. In the NBA you have teams divided into two conferences with the top 8 from each conference getting in. The NFL gives slots to the best performing team in each division with 2 wild card slots. I believe the NHL reseeds after every round

I think Cariyaga's broader point was that in almost all of those sports, the bracket is set up in a way something like this:

Tournament Bracket Generator - Challonge

Also the NHL does not reseed.


Now what happened canonically was that the pairings were randomized, so if the QMs want to stick to canon in this case that would be the way to go.
 
Remember:The Yakuza are doing some big money betting on the tournament!

[jkbutseriously] Bet 1,000,000 on Noburi winning the Tournament.

Do you honestly think that our support specialist has favourable odds to win it all?

We would be rich enough to own half of Fire
 
Now what happened canonically was that the pairings were randomized, so if the QMs want to stick to canon in this case that would be the way to go.
In canon I don't think that the pairings were actually random. Or at least most fanfiction I read seems to assume that it isn't.
Remember:The Yakuza are doing some big money betting on the tournament!

[jkbutseriously] Bet 1,000,000 on Noburi winning the Tournament.

Do you honestly think that our support specialist has favourable odds to win it all?

We would be rich enough to own half of Fire
The rumors that he was caught by In Ino might help with that.
 
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In canon I don't think that the pairings were actually random. Or at least most fanfiction I read seems to assume that it isn't.

They are played up to be random - as in there is a giant spinning machine that spits out match-ups. Whether or not that means the pairings would REALLY be randomized in a more sneaky MfD universe is up to discussion. In my opinion, the reigning Kage would definitely put their fingers on the scale.

Though, the Kage could all gather together and do a "pick a name out of a hat" kind of deal which would probably help the randomness a bit compared to a machine that could easily be rigged.
 
@eaglejarl @faflec
I am quite happy with the results, but can't quite reconcile some of the Event 5 R2 scores.

We have 290-150=140 points, accounting for 24 prisoners, like we thought.

The spared teams were ISC R1 teams and Kurenai. However, the sand team has 320-495... i.e. an ISC R1 team that was not spared in R2.

It looks like ISC's R2 teams were spared by mistake. I thought that ISC were going to eat a few prisoner penalties in the agreement they made.

Additionally, I thought our R1 teams would not be injured/unconscious at the end of R2. Because only ISC turned in, I'd expect one/two set of R2 Blue scores to be -150 (-25*6) - and the rest -225 depending on whether ISC turned in their docs or not. However, there are no -150 scores in the list.

I'll spend a bit of time tonight seeing if I can reconcile the lists, unless someone points out my error.

Don't have a problem generally - just want to be sure of things.
The Sand team was with ISC in Round 1, and thus got +320 (from being with ISC and not targeted) and -495 (from not being with ISC R2, and thus targeted).

ISC's R2 teams (the teams ISC was with R2) were spared, but that's because they wouldn't want to have to take out their own teammates? Seems strange they would do that if we weren't willing to.

Our R1 teams were gonna be injured/KO after R2, that was part of the deal Shikamaru made.
 
Though, the Kage could all gather together and do a "pick a name out of a hat" kind of deal which would probably help the randomness a bit compared to a machine that could easily be rigged.
I think that there are a few tricks magicans do to rig those. Just trying to imagine all the ways a ninja might.
 
"During the next round, we will lead the allied red-team forces to assault the Gōketsu site. During the initial assault, Team Asuma will accidentally stumble into a Goo Bomb trap that removes us from the fighting. Gōketsu will defeat the rest of the alliance and place them in cells. The Gōketsu will then supply Team Asuma with the seals, pangolins, and chakra necessary for us to take out the other three sites. The six of you"—again the gesture to Gōketsu's allies—"and the six that I am currently teamed with will have your documents destroyed but will otherwise be spared, and will be given all the word halves of your blue-team compatriots, bumping you up the rankings yet again. This should result in Team Asuma as the top squad in the Exams, followed by the nine current members of Red Team One, with a handful of the other top scorers mixed in if they are red team tonight and manage to evade your hunt. The six non-Team-Asuma members of my current group will rank below the twelve of us but still above most other contestants.

"After the event is over, those of you without the chakra or relevant skills to fight in the tournament"—he looked pointedly at Ikemoto—"will announce that you are dropping out. There are three members of my group who will definitely drop out, and I would assume two or three of you would do the same. This means that the rest of us are clinched for the tournament and can settle our final rankings in the arena."

The only sound was the crackle of the fire as everyone digested that.

"So...you're going to win the event, and the Exams, without lifting a finger?" Fukai demanded.

"It's kind of his thing," Noburi said with a snort.

"How do we know you won't betray us?" Gomi demanded. "Maybe when you attack our facilities you take us out too." Haga looked at him in betrayal; he rolled his eyes in response. "Seriously, you saw how easily we went through that group back there, and they had serious firepower. If these guys come at us with full chakra, plus some of that chakra water so they can refill mid-battle, plus all the pangolins, plus all the seals that Gōketsu is handing out, do you honestly think we can hold them off?"

The girl looked grumpy but said nothing.

Nara shrugged. "First, the six of you will be spread as widely as possible among the blue teams tomorrow—I assume I don't have to explain why—so you and Haga are unlikely to be working with anyone else here tonight. That means that, even if we betrayed all of you, you would only be down another fifty points over what would happen anyway, so your risk is minimal. Second, it would not be to our advantage to do so. The Nara focus on the long term; the short-term gain from betraying you would be negligible given Team Asuma's current standing and it would poison our clans' reputations. In all the stories of the Nara clan, when have you ever heard of us betraying an ally?"

"You're planning on betraying your allies tomorrow," Fukai pointed out.

"By no means," Nara said. "First, it is their choice whether or not to join the alliance. Second, everything we will say is absolutely true. We did fend off the Gōketsu assault—the fact that we did it through diplomacy and political leverage instead of force of arms has no bearing. It is critical for those other teams that the Gōketsu be crushed, since otherwise their success will cement the view of Leaf's dominance. We will not attack our allies and we will give them fully accurate intelligence on what we know of Team Uplift's capabilities...at least, the capabilities that have already been revealed during the Exams. If the gathered red teams are able to push through the assault on their own, more power to them." He raised his eyebrows, looking around at each of them. "What do you think the chances are that two dozen chūnin candidates will be able to successfully defeat a Summoner and her creatures while fighting on a sealmaster's prepared ground?"

In accord with the deal that was made (even if it was only for purposes of deception), your teammates from R1 were spared, as were Shikamaru's. Team Kurenai was also spared as a political gesture. Literally everyone else is in a cell -- the red team are all in your cells (packed in like sardines), the blue teams are in cells at the other facilities. All blue team documents except yours have been destroyed.

@eaglejarl @faflec
I am quite happy with the results, but can't quite reconcile some of the Event 5 R2 scores.

We have 290-150=140 points, accounting for 24 prisoners, like we thought.

The spared teams were ISC R1 teams and Kurenai. However, the sand team has 320-495... i.e. an ISC R1 team that was not spared in R2.

It looks like ISC's R2 teams were spared by mistake. I thought that ISC were going to eat a few prisoner penalties in the agreement they made.

Additionally, I thought our R1 teams would not be injured/unconscious at the end of R2. Because only ISC turned in, I'd expect one/two set of R2 Blue scores to be -150 (-25*6) - and the rest -225 depending on whether ISC turned in their docs or not. However, there are no -150 scores in the list.

I'll spend a bit of time tonight seeing if I can reconcile the lists, unless someone points out my error.

Don't have a problem generally - just want to be sure of things.
@faflec
@eaglejarl
But the agreement ISC made in the collusion chapter was to not target R1 teammates, and that was reaffirmed by @eaglejarl later
I'm fine if it was changed, but it probably should get changed back in that chapter as well, so as not to go against the no Nara betrayal thing.
 
@faflec
@eaglejarl
But the agreement ISC made in the collusion chapter was to not target R1 teammates, and that was reaffirmed by @eaglejarl later
I'm fine if it was changed, but it probably should get changed back in that chapter as well, so as not to go against the no Nara betrayal thing.
Huh. I'd always read it as "they will get beaten to shit but get word-halves to make up for it", not that.
 
Huh. I'd always read it as "they will get beaten to shit but get word-halves to make up for it", not that.
@eaglejarl

I would consider doing this interpretation. If you actually meant "spared" as in not imprison them or something, this could cause a +/- 75 (I think its -25 points per imprisoned teammate IIRC) or greater points differential throughout 12 Round 2 Reds than what you have on the sheet.

Edit: It also wouldn't match up with us having 24 prisoners.

Since Kurenai + ISC + Round 2 Teammates = 12, and anymore spared in addition to that on Shika's part means we have less than 24 prisoners that round (as stated).

Seems like the most consistent interpretation, all things considered.
 
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I don't know anything about that Mist genin, but I expect the seeding to be done to give him the best odds he possibly can have.
 
Its 30 points for prisoners, per prisoner

It would be especially significant for ISC R2 teammates, who lose 185+180 = 365 relative points. Remember, they also get no positive points. This would push the Hot Springs team out of the running, I believe.

This has been my interpretation the entire time, and is the only interpretation I'd have thought the teammates would have agreed to so easily.
 
Considering she's up against Shikamaru R1 from seeding she's fucked unless the tournament is completely randomized.
Shikamaru is a terrible person to fight one on one in duel conditions. Shadow possession jutsu is an great jutsu. If you know it there is basically no reason to ever learn taijutsu.
 
Wanna run that by me again? Are "ISC R2 teammates" ISC's teammates in Round 2?
Yes.

If our collective R1 teammates were in the state "documents destroyed, but otherwise spared,"

Then ISC's Round 2 teammates were in cells, with 365 fewer points than are on the board. ISC would be down 180. Other teams (not ours, but our collective R1 partners and their teams) would generally have higher scores than shown, but not tremendously (+75 for Blue, +165 for Red)
 
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Why are ISC's R2 teammates in cells, I don't understand.
We need 24 prisoners somehow.

Either its ISC round 1 teammates or round 2 teammates that were spared. Can't be both. Because Kurenai were not imprisoned. Obviously ISC were not.

If thats how you read "spared".
 
Well, I'm actually sceptical that light seals would work. But kagemane probably rolls vs Athletics or something, and oh look: Pantorkrator's Hammer can give us +10 to that!
 
Why are ISC's R2 teammates in cells, I don't understand.
Because that was what they said they would do in the collusion chapter? Even doing that, still gets ISC practically guaranteed first, because all of our partners were lowest quartile, and those are the only ones that even get 10s of points gain on ISC.

From collusion chapter:
"Gōketsu will defeat the rest of the alliance and place them in cells"
 
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@faflec @eaglejarl @OliWhail @Velorien

So putting aside the "Did Shikamaru imprison his R1 Teammates, or not, or was that just about word halves, or not?" bit since I think how it ended up being handled was fairly reasonable...

The only major mistake I've found is that for Blue Team 1 Composition: Y'all have switched Team Touma with Team Downfall.

Team Downfall should get an extra -75 (we took their docs) in Round 1. Team Touma should get +75 relatively.

Remember: Shin deserves those negative points! :p

Edit: To be clear I don't think it actually matters.
 
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