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@FourScore @Immortal Lurker what do you guys want to discuss with the Yakuza Oyabun, exactly? We can't really give him any specific information, because we don't know what Ren will do, or when. If the point is to warn him that something is about to go down on the drug legislation front, we can just leave him a message. And our client being able to deal in Yakuza territory should be covered by our gift of explosive tags.
Yeah we can just make a "see no evil" handsign at them if they come knocking :p

...You know, we probably didn't have to do any of this with that in mind. But hey, at least we got political advantage for Jiraiya.
 
I think in this case, "leave it up to the team" translates as "please figure this out for us" rather than "this is unnecessary detail". Velorien indicated that it's not obvious to him how this should be done, and I think we need to be specific. What we're doing here is supposed to simulate an academy student leaving an anonymous tip, so as long as the clone behaves consistently with that, I think it should be ok. As in, if we're stopped by scary ninja, give them the note and dispel.
Oh shit sudden realization. The clone is a Water Clone, since it has to be physically capable of moving (unlike the standard Clone, which is useless in this regard). BUT we never learned the Water Clone during the Academy, else Noburi wouldn't have learned it until after becoming a missing-nin. I'm pretty sure this pops a massive hole in the plan.
This I want to leave up to the team. They'll know best. Clones have the advantage of using Noburi's chakra, which is less precious than Keiko's. They're also more competent than either Pandaa or random civilians.
Um...you do know Noburi can just give Keiko chakra back, right?

And yes, they are more competent, but we'd have to refresh them every 10 minutes, which is a...well, we're not made of chakra, and Noburi has this 3x chakra cost thing. At the very least have Hazou make an Earth Clone, since he doesn't have to burn that much chakra for it.
I assume they're there by default. Didn't help the last time.
In retrospect I don't think they were. Surely clarifying this wouldn't hurt?
 
Oh shit sudden realization. The clone is a Water Clone, since it has to be physically capable of moving (unlike the standard Clone, which is useless in this regard). BUT we never learned the Water Clone during the Academy, else Noburi wouldn't have learned it until after becoming a missing-nin. I'm pretty sure this pops a massive hole in the plan.

Um...you do know Noburi can just give Keiko chakra back, right?

And yes, they are more competent, but we'd have to refresh them every 10 minutes, which is a...well, we're not made of chakra, and Noburi has this 3x chakra cost thing. At the very least have Hazou make an Earth Clone, since he doesn't have to burn that much chakra for it.

In retrospect I don't think they were. Surely clarifying this wouldn't hurt?
Yeah, also, Keiko can keep Pandaa summoned 24/7. She gets more chakra regen than he costs to keep up.
 
Oh shit sudden realization. The clone is a Water Clone, since it has to be physically capable of moving (unlike the standard Clone, which is useless in this regard). BUT we never learned the Water Clone during the Academy, else Noburi wouldn't have learned it until after becoming a missing-nin. I'm pretty sure this pops a massive hole in the plan.

Surely, a last year academy student knowing a basic elemental technique shouldn't be so unusual?

Um...you do know Noburi can just give Keiko chakra back, right?

And yes, they are more competent, but we'd have to refresh them every 10 minutes, which is a...well, we're not made of chakra, and Noburi has this 3x chakra cost thing. At the very least have Hazou make an Earth Clone, since he doesn't have to burn that much chakra for it.

If I change it to just "clone", will that be ok?

In retrospect I don't think they were. Surely clarifying this wouldn't hurt?

Ok, sure. In a larger plan I'd object, but this one's small enough that we can let ourselves go a bit.
 
Oh shit sudden realization. The clone is a Water Clone, since it has to be physically capable of moving (unlike the standard Clone, which is useless in this regard). BUT we never learned the Water Clone during the Academy, else Noburi wouldn't have learned it until after becoming a missing-nin. I'm pretty sure this pops a massive hole in the plan.
I actually don't think so. Remember, when we were Academy students we were actually middle-upper end of the pack, not really the standout clan kids that would have gotten all the attention and cool ninjutsu that we technically shouldn't have been able to learn; I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that someone managed to level Water Clone in the academy, if they were, say, a real standout Wakahisa.
 
Oh shit sudden realization. The clone is a Water Clone, since it has to be physically capable of moving (unlike the standard Clone, which is useless in this regard). BUT we never learned the Water Clone during the Academy, else Noburi wouldn't have learned it until after becoming a missing-nin. I'm pretty sure this pops a massive hole in the plan.
I agree with Roomba. I can't think of a reason why the clans wouldn't be teaching their kids slightly more advanced jutsu on the side.

Now if that isn't the case, the plan is salvageable. A quality clone with a henge and no bandanna hands a random street urchin an envelope with 10 ryo taped to it, the clone asking the urchin to deliver this envelope to the secret police, and he gets to keep the money if he does so. Clones can repeat canned phrases. A random street urchin should be excited to go on a real ninja mission, or terrified of crossing us. This can be sent more than once if we are worried about lost messages.
 
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@FourScore @Immortal Lurker what do you guys want to discuss with the Yakuza Oyabun, exactly? We can't really give him any specific information, because we don't know what Ren will do, or when. If the point is to warn him that something is about to go down on the drug legislation front, we can just leave him a message. And our client being able to deal in Yakuza territory should be covered by our gift of explosive tags.

-Agreed, we should just leave a message RE the intel and get 100% of the value, I was thinking of trying to a bunch of things in one meeting, including direct approval to sell, but as you say, better to assume our gift has covered us here vs. getting a direct 'no' since they know this is a one-time event. The message is appropriately couched such that if Mist does happen to sweep it under the rug, we did not make an actual prediction, we were sharing intel that might be valuable. Offscreen.

-We would only need to meet the Yakuza if our client doesn't really have contacts, or screws something up. Even then, I would not want to ask for the Oyabun.: If local boss can't do what we need, then we abandon that line of sales or go to damage control. I would rather not sell our supply directly to the Y., in any case, as that is boring, could look to the proctor like we paid someone to pay her.

-I would like to ask the client tonight for a list of where she needs to go in 'long knives' territory so that we can plan, and let her know that it is not happening tomorrow in any case, rather than argue with her in the AM. I have been struggling with that b/c, if I were the client, I wouldn't give up that list. I think a good team would ask politely and directly, and tell they need time to consider how to do this safely or at all. Offscreen unless there are some reverse teasing schenagins by H.

-I take the point that the security risk is actually not any higher, since the shady buyers are not nin, but even for the legit buyers we were careful to scout routes, alternates, etc. so not doing that here would be wrong.
 
IIRC it was clarified that the Academy's graduation requirements were "Substitution, Henge, Clone technique" not specifically "Substitution, Henge, and Clone", though I could be mistaken.
 
Time this to occur a little after 10 am.

If memory serves, Lizardbreath starts drinking at 7 AM and leaves his office at 10 AM, but when he's super-high on betel nut I find it unlikely he'll wait until 10 AM to leave, and if he's been going wild for three hours already the tip won't mean much. Maybe rephrase it as timed for a little after Noburi thinks it'll take effect?
 
Do we actually want to send the Yakuza a message warning of the possible change to the drug policy? They'll owe us, but we might make a bit less money on selling our client's stock. On the other hand, if the decision is to criminalize the drugs, then having a trustworthy wholesale buyer for our client would be very useful. What does everyone think?

If memory serves, Lizardbreath starts drinking at 7 AM and leaves his office at 10 AM, but when he's super-high on betel nut I find it unlikely he'll wait until 10 AM to leave, and if he's been going wild for three hours already the tip won't mean much. Maybe rephrase it as timed for a little after Noburi thinks it'll take effect?

Keep in mind that is should take a while both for the drug to take effect, and for Lizardbreath to cause enough of a scene that a student would realistically think to inform someone outside the school. I also doubt he starts drinking immediately after arriving at his office. It's all estimates, but I think 10 am is fine as long as it doesn't wear off too quickly.
 
Keep in mind that is should take a while both for the drug to take effect, and for Lizardbreath to cause enough of a scene that a student would realistically think to inform someone outside the school. I also doubt he starts drinking immediately after arriving at his office. It's all estimates, but I think 10 am is fine as long as it doesn't wear off too quickly.
I'm not sure why we'd say 10 AM specifically, to be honest. It doesn't matter that much (hopefully), but there's no real reason not to just say "Wait until whatever time Noburi thinks it'll take proper effect at".
Do we actually want to send the Yakuza a message warning of the possible change to the drug policy? They'll owe us, but we might make a bit less money on selling our client's stock. On the other hand, if the decision is to criminalize the drugs, then having a trustworthy wholesale buyer for our client would be very useful. What does everyone think?
Did you mean decriminalize?

Also, I'm pretty sure we'd get better prices, not worse, for informing them ahead of time. Knowledge is power in the realm of economics and politics, both.
 
Do we actually want to send the Yakuza a message warning of the possible change to the drug policy? They'll owe us, but we might make a bit less money on selling our client's stock. On the other hand, if the decision is to criminalize the drugs, then having a trustworthy wholesale buyer for our client would be very useful. What does everyone think?



Keep in mind that is should take a while both for the drug to take effect, and for Lizardbreath to cause enough of a scene that a student would realistically think to inform someone outside the school. I also doubt he starts drinking immediately after arriving at his office. It's all estimates, but I think 10 am is fine as long as it doesn't wear off too quickly.

Even still, I wouldn't want to find out that he took a swig at 7 AM and it took effect immediately, making our anonymous tip hours later than befits the situation. Basing it on Noburi's estimates changes little and just eliminates that risk.
 
Ooh, here's a question we should ask Karina:

If she runs out of stock entirely, will she be able to get more?
 
Since we still haven't gone to sleep, and the plan is short thus far, we can also put our room fortification measures in, by the way. @Cariyaga you wanted 5SBs on windows, right?

Did you mean decriminalize?

Also, I'm pretty sure we'd get better prices, not worse, for informing them ahead of time. Knowledge is power in the realm of economics and politics, both.

Sorry, I get a bit confused about this situation, where the criminal underworld essentially decides to follow the letter of the law and not deal in illegal substances. So, basically, if the decision is to criminalize, then our information is useless to them?

In any case, I'm inclined to drop a short message for the Oyabun once it seems like the prank is properly underway.
 
Since we still haven't gone to sleep, and the plan is short thus far, we can also put our room fortification measures in, by the way. @Cariyaga you wanted 5SBs on windows, right?
5SBs on windows and doors, assuming they're reusable. They're easily enough taken off from inside.
Sorry, I get a bit confused about this situation, where the criminal underworld essentially decides to follow the letter of the law and not deal in illegal substances. So, basically, if the decision is to criminalize, then our information is useless to them?
Not useless, just less useful. Knowing this stuff ahead of time does have its uses. For instance, they could tell any favored Yakuza patrons that they were see-no-evil-ing about it so that they don't have to crack down on them.

...wait...

THE YAKUZA KNEW WE'D GET KARINA. That's why they told us about their drug policies ahead of time!
 
5SBs on windows and doors, assuming they're reusable. They're easily enough taken off from inside.

They are reusable, otherwise you'd burn an ungodly amount of seals building a Skytower. Will add to the plan.

Not useless, just less useful. Knowing this stuff ahead of time does have its uses. For instance, they could tell any favored Yakuza patrons that they were see-no-evil-ing about it so that they don't have to crack down on them.

...wait...

THE YAKUZA KNEW WE'D GET KARINA. That's why they told us about their drug policies ahead of time!

Yakuza didn't tell us about their drug policies, Keiko did. But I'll add a point about leaving a message for the Oyabun.
 
The whole point of this is to make a public figure be caught publicly enough that it can't be swept under the rug. If it hinges on an anonymous now delivered to professional security complete with an entire chain of custody for the information detailing exactly who needs to be hushed up, the plan has failed. Infosec is their job.

Seriously, just make a naked clone scream about bees. Do something which makes it very publicly known that he's on drugs so he has to be confronted. He'll know that he was set up and deny everything either way. Perhaps discrepancies will tip off the highest levels that he was set up, but going along with the drug story would still cost less face that publicly admitting that Mist's academy head's incompetence and alcoholism allowed him to be manipulated into humiliating his village during a critical international event.

The important thing is making sure that too many and too important people have first-hand knowledge to be credibly threatened with retaliation if it leaks out. Every child covering every clan when the weak new Kage only got the job with the expectation that she would be assassinated shortly afterwards? She'll take advantage of the fact that she had nothing to do with his position, hasn't been in power long enough to review the situation, and hasn't ruled on the nature of the crime by playing along.
 
5SBs on windows and doors, assuming they're reusable. They're easily enough taken off from inside.
This won't work, as there's a range limit on the 5SB support seals - they need to be a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 100 metres away from the central seal. This was in Augjev, and I'll make sure it gets added to the FtD doc.
 
@eaglejarl and I remember it as 5, but if you have a citation proving otherwise, we'll be happy to update.
- Five-Seal Barrier

A protective seal is placed on an object with a maximum volume determined by the sealcrafter's skill. The target must not possess chakra, or be part of a greater object (e.g. one section of a wall).

While the seal is in place, both it and the object cannot be moved (relative to the centre of the earth), and gain massive damage resistance, enough to be indestructible by any art Kagome knows. This effect lasts for 30 days, gradually decaying over time.

Four equidistant supporting seals must be placed between 3 and 100 metres from the object. If any of these are broken or removed, the object's damage resistance will decrease proportionately. If all four are broken or removed, the Five-Seal Barrier will deactivate. This will also happen if the four supporting seals and the central seal are moved relative to each other in any way.
 
The whole point of this is to make a public figure be caught publicly enough that it can't be swept under the rug. If it hinges on an anonymous now delivered to professional security complete with an entire chain of custody for the information detailing exactly who needs to be hushed up, the plan has failed. Infosec is their job.

Seriously, just make a naked clone scream about bees. Do something which makes it very publicly known that he's on drugs so he has to be confronted. He'll know that he was set up and deny everything either way. Perhaps discrepancies will tip off the highest levels that he was set up, but going along with the drug story would still cost less face that publicly admitting that Mist's academy head's incompetence and alcoholism allowed him to be manipulated into humiliating his village during a critical international event.

The important thing is making sure that too many and too important people have first-hand knowledge to be credibly threatened with retaliation if it leaks out. Every child covering every clan when the weak new Kage only got the job with the expectation that she would be assassinated shortly afterwards? She'll take advantage of the fact that she had nothing to do with his position, hasn't been in power long enough to review the situation, and hasn't ruled on the nature of the crime by playing along.

Honestly, I think there's a pretty good chance of this blowing up even if we don't do anything. If you think the anonymous note to the administration will hurt our chances rather than help them, then that's a valid point and something I've considered myself.

The clone idea is risky and difficult to execute, though. Where do you do it? The moment the clone is physically apprehended, it becomes immediately obvious the whole thing is a sham. This is a ninja village, full of people who can easily take the appearance of other people. We know for a fact that some ninja intentionally bump into others regularly on the off chance of breaking a Henge.

Is the idea to try to mitigate the possibility that Lizardbreath's trip won't be spectacular enough for our purposes? That is a good idea, but would require us to pull something during daytime, on the school grounds, with students and instructors present, which would be very risky, especially given the exam constraints.

It's a hard problem, and unfortunately we haven't found a good solution yet.
 
Honestly, I think there's a pretty good chance of this blowing up even if we don't do anything. If you think the anonymous note to the administration will hurt our chances rather than help them, then that's a valid point and something I've considered myself.

The clone idea is risky and difficult to execute, though. Where do you do it? The moment the clone is physically apprehended, it becomes immediately obvious the whole thing is a sham. This is a ninja village, full of people who can easily take the appearance of other people. We know for a fact that some ninja intentionally bump into others regularly on the off chance of breaking a Henge.

Is the idea to try to mitigate the possibility that Lizardbreath's trip won't be spectacular enough for our purposes? That is a good idea, but would require us to pull something during daytime, on the school grounds, with students and instructors present, which would be very risky, especially given the exam constraints.

It's a hard problem, and unfortunately we haven't found a good solution yet.

Why don't we just bribe some academy students to help us make sure Lizardbreath caused a commotion. Most of them hate him and would love to see him embarrassed. As well as they won't have anywhere near enough xp to beat Hazō's deceit roll
 
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