I will point out that no plan survives contact with the enemy, and it might do to at least put in a line about this being general strategy rather than trying to micromanage everything Hazou does step by step. I would also point out there's a lot of ways this could go very, very wrong, so what are the contingencies?
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I will point out that no plan survives contact with the enemy, and it might do to at least put in a line about this being general strategy rather than trying to micromanage everything Hazou does step by step. I would also point out there's a lot of ways this could go very, very wrong, so what are the contingencies?
I'm still concerned that that leaves us in the mist way to long. If the enemy Waka stops screwing around we're in real trouble. If we can arrange for Akane to clear the battlefield, great, but until then we're going to need liberal use of fire logs, explosives, and stupid boxes to cut out operating patches. The good news about fire logs and stupid boxes are that they're pretty harmless to an ally in a swamp who's been warned to duck. Noburi is probably repeating his trick on Neji and spending most of his time below water already.
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Except this is an international coalition (how was that forged?) who decided to go all out to kill a group of leaf ninja.
We have a group travelling underground which would negate defences, while we have already separated meaning we cannot regroup as we have 1m LOS around us while being actively drained.
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I wouldn't worry about it, its unlikely we have a full squad after this encounter.
Cariyaga
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It's highly unlikely that Akane, Noburi, or Keiko die, and they're they're the only ones at risk that we could potentially use that with.
I do not think an overly specific action plan will work here. We need a general strategy instead that will deal with possible situations.
And in any case, I think Noburi is likely incapacitated and we don't control his actions.
Cariyaga
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I have concerns about this area. If they're making attacks, they're... naturally in range to make attacks, so I'm not sure what the first bullet of "Fully boost combat" is intended to mean. Either way, you should do the math on how much we can actually afford to boost at all. The answer: For Hazou and Akane, not much.
Hazou: 85 chakra. He can boost up to ~50 points safely before he gets in OHKO range for Aiko.
Akane: 95 chakra. She can boost up to ~60 points
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I mean that if Hazou fails his TacMove against a Long-ranged foe he can't use Taijutsu since he can't reach that foe. Which would mean chakra boosting Taijutsu to be useless.
As for the math...I'm a lazy f*ck.
Cariyaga
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Why the heck is everyone so pessimistic? We've got this. We can outsustain everyone but the enemy Wakahisa, and there's no way everyone is as specialized as we are in combat. With Kei targetting Tac Move with low-class explosives, Noburi hitting Syrup Traps, and Hazou and Akane with Macerators, we will have no problem dealing with this threat. And once the enemy Wakahisa is down, we can take out the rest with the rest of the teams' help.
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IIRC Hazou's alone because we got split up?
While we can't be certain Noburi isn't incapacitated, we certainly do have allies here and it's not like the other teams aren't fighting somewhat blind.
Honestly, I think this is a situation where we may just want to keep it simple and let Hazou handle things as they evolve rather than having us micromanage things. Keep it relatively simple, rather than overcomplicating things. Throw some explosives or some other seals at 12 o'clock since that's where we think the enemy Wakahisa probably is, head over where Noburi probably is (since eaglejarl confirmed he'd have used a code here and that it'll be edited in later, and the mist would have prevented genjutsu due to no eye contact with the enemy) expecting we may need to bail him out or that there's an enemy needing to be punched, reconnoiter with our allies, and start kicking some ass.
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Keep in mind that they still don't outnumber us. Any situation where two enemy ninja gang up on one Leaf-nin provides a situation where two Leaf-nin can gang up on one Mist/Cloud-Rock-nin. The Rock-nin are apparently underground, as well, and unable to participate as of yet, so we have a numbers advantage even if you consider Ino defeated for all intents and purposes.
As for visibility, we know only that they have a sensor who is coordinating with (or who is) a user of AoE lightning jutsu. The other teams likely do not have such an advantage and are fighting blind like us, counting on Aiko to make the obscuring fog worth it.
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So what happens if we use blatantly lethal weapons and end up killing somebody in this fight and then none of the Mist, Cloud, or Rock people do the same? So far, we don't actually know for sure that any of the enemy ninja are using lethal force, we just have conjecture that they are probably intending to kill us. If this ends up as a massacre of foreign ninja, we could very easily provoke a war between Leaf and the other villages. I think it might be prudent if we tried very hard to not kill any enemy combatants lest we end up fucking everything up once again. On the other hand, holding back might just let the enemy ninja kill all of us. It seems like we're in a bit of a double bind - if we hold back to avoid any casualties, we might just die, and if we don't we could easily set off a war. This is going to end up miserable for us no matter how it goes.
Cariyaga
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We can get away with killing Mist nin, for what it's worth. We have "Your nin used mist drain on us, if you make an issue of what our ninja did, one of your major clan secrets is out"
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He has a cantrip that could theoretically do that...except it's very slow.
I do not think it's a huge handicap if we do not fight them lethally, and to be honest, I preferred not generating another clusterfuck political situation if we could help it.
I still think that the plan should be some variant of, "Throw lots of boom in direction of Waka, move into area cleared by boom, repeat". The first Waka would be Noburi, who would be warned to duck underwater before the boom hit. If we can figure out a signal we might spare a moment to tell Akane to burn the fog off the entire field. We need to get out of this soup now and take out the enemy making it not long after. We have stacks of explosives. We can afford to use them as a general prophylactic for each step.
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We will have no proof and by saying this we also reveal one of our major clan secrets. Consider also that Mist knows that Leaf knows that the Wakahisa can drain through mist. From this perspective, the cat is already out of the bag and therefore Mist won't be as bothered by revealing this specific clan secret. Leaf really can't afford to antagonize any of the other villages right now, given the current weakness of their forces and the unstable politics. Starting a shinobi war at this point would be a complete disaster for us.
Remember what J said. If some ninja can't dodge a tag fast enough, that's their problem. In this case it's going to be blindingly obvious that a tsunami of boom is headed in a particular direction and Nobs can even warn us if we're approaching somebody. If someone sticks around for that that's their problem. Our priority is literally clearing the air so the enemy Waka can't decide to stop playing around and just end this. After she's down we just rally the coalition and defeat the separated enemy teams in detail.