Welcome back! Nice to have people rejoining, and contributing so many cool (albeit headache-inducing for the QMs) ideas.



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We know we're doing our job right when eaglejarl goes for aspirin rather than just giving us the look -- well, the figurative look -- and asking us "don't you think someone else would have thought of that by now if it were that easy?" :p
 
Welcome! There are a lot of ideas here, and I'd like to go over each idea individually:

-Using force walls: The two ends of a wall need to be parallel and un-moving. Depending on how thin (rectangular) you can get the force wall, you can plate two force wall seals on either end of a sword and give it a cut-through-anything blade edge. It would be fun when the opponent tries to block or grab the sword.
You'd need a few tweaks to the seal so the force wall doesn't go backwards through the hilt and cut your hands in two, but once you do that the sword should work just fine. None of us are really suited for it, but we can probably find some ninja who could make good use of it.

-Artillery: Can force walls intersect? If not, how closely can you make a volume with one open end out of them? If not, use MEW to dig a slanted pit into the ground and fit metal cylinders into the pit to reinforce the walls. Place a Macerator loaded with coal into the pit or force-wall volume. Projectile on top. Ignite. The pressure generated by the fuel-air explosion will drive the projectile out of the cannon. Due to how larger cannons scale, you'll start with the biggest weapon design you can manage. This is ideal for bombarding fixed positions. Using single-use MEW pits, you can prepare them on the field within a few minutes, giving you an effective rate of fire. If you manage to fashion the cannons out of indestructible force walls, you can use stupid pressure-cannon designs like the Voitenko Compressor for intercontinental ballistic bombardment.
Force Walls can't intersect, and when we were in Snow we had a plan for this insulated base out of force walls and mud at the corners, where the force walls almost but not quite meet. Apart from that, though, the basic cannon seems very workable, with the proviso that I don't think we have that much coal to work with right now. Once we get back to Leaf we can ask Jiraiya to let us experiment with it and we could maybe dedicate a research project to making a Purifier variant that gives us carbon.

-Macerators: A burning log is nice. Finely powdered flammables will ignite without a fire however. Also, they create a whole domain of chemistry so far unavailable to ninja. For example, the Macerators can be used to prepare a reactive powder, like iron fillings, aluminium or magnesium or even alcohol. Very carefully mix the powder with an oxidizer such as sulfure dioxide or permanganate. Seal the products in a storage seal. Release to fix situations with proper firepower. Uniformly divided particles also allow for some very strong ceramic plates, to be used as armor.
Hazou no doubt would be interested in putting random things inside macerators and seeing what they do. Keep in mind the limits on what macerators can cut (I think some types of wood are still beyond it right now, even if some stones aren't) and that Hazou is intended to survive these experiments, and we've got an immediate research target. Things like permanganate we probably don't have access to, but if any old oxidizer works then we can probably make do.

-Explosively formed projectiles: Metal disk. Explosive charges. All you need to make a lethal projectile out of a dinner plate. Inverted cones will create Monroe Effects that shape the metal into a penetrating jet. Cut the disk to create a hail of shrapnel. These can be used as mines (think Claymore mine) or as improvements to Kagome's directed explosives, but use the explosive force more efficiently and are lethal at greater distances.
Great idea, let's get Hazou to try it out.

-Fertilizer: No mention of peasants carting around cow manure. They likely have a very basic concept of soil health. Enriching the ground with nitrogen and phosphorus will double or triple yields. The Haber-Bosch process can make this on a large scale out of atmospheric nitrogen and hydrogen. Hydrogen can come from aluminium plus sodium hydroxide in water. You can use an iron catalyst but can skip the high pressure/temperature environment by using macerators to increase reaction rate followed by rapid cooling to extract liquid ammonia. Leaf's economy can switch to exporting ammonia and become an agricultural powerhouse. Ammonia also makes decent... war... chemicals.

-Rapid cooling: Implosion seal. You'd need a one-way seal or valve. Suck the air out of a compartiment, eject it outside. The lower pressure translates into lower temperature. Depending on how tightly sealed the compartment is and how much air is available, you can go from vacuum freezing to gentle air conditioning. Rapid cooling allows us to extract liquids out of the air, from water to liquid oxygen. The condensed products do not need to be inside the compartment: cooling the inner surface of a metal plate can allow frozen air to form on the outer surface. You can freeze-dry food.

-Concrete: People use wood. Its terrible and bad at insulation or humidity, which breeds diseases. Wood rots and is weak too. Widespread availability of concrete will improve everyone's lives. Concrete is not hard to make and macerators allow for very effective firing of kilns and furnaces. Getting ninja to MEW up homes is a bad waste of their specialized skills. Get the civilians to do it for themselves, all they need is a genin to prime the air pumps and replace the seals.

-Metals: Do you even know what temperature a finely misted charcoal and liquid oxygen fire can reach? Rapid cooling valve with the implosion seal can be used in reverse to pump air into a chamber. Leaf will have access to improbably high quality steel. This allows for cheaper agricultural tools, lighter weapons and armor and a low-key industrial revolution with gears and steam engines.
All worthy goals, with the problem that Hazou doesn't have the groundwork to figure them out. Any attempt to introduce new tech to this setting must come with a 'how can we have Hazou stumble on this by sheer luck?'. For concrete, we could make Hazou very interested in experimenting with stone and try to guide him towards materials like cement and aggregate needed for concrete, but he'll spend a good deal of time randomly experimenting along the way. Things like fertilizer, though, where would we even start? It's an end goal Hazou would be very in favour of, but he'd have no idea how to get there or that it's even possible, so we'll have to carefully craft stepping stones on the tech tree, each one with their own justification for Hazou to research.

-Roads: People walk on dirt paths surrounded by murderous forests. Use MEW to build walled roads. It will help people. The Romans did it for a reason.
This one is just motivation/time. Hazou can certainly do it, especially with Noburi helping on the chakra front, all we need is Jiraiya's go-ahead. He might decide we're better spent researching, though, at which point the best we can do is teach MEW to a genin and have them do the road-building.

-Seal scribes: Okay, civilians do not have access to chakra techniques. Okay, they do not have Hazo's copying skills. They do learn calligraphy, however, and just teaching a man to write seals all day long until he gets good at it costs a fraction of the full educations and training of a seal master. Cut out the bulk work and allow seal masters to focus on less mind-numbing tasks like research. The civilians will be eating better and living in warmer, stronger homes, so this might free up a bit of labour to be educated.
Again, could work in theory, but it'd be a hard sell. It takes more time to check a seal for mistakes than it takes to make one, so the sealmasters are putting their lives in the hands of some civilian who doesn't know the first thing about sealwork. You need absolute trust to get a sealmaster to infuse a seal they didn't draw, so it'll be tricky to try and make civilian-drawn seals accepted. Personally, I'm in favour of inventing a new sealing style for very basic seals produced by printing press. If you can simply print thousands of explosive seals and infuse them unbelievably quickly, you free up the other sealmasters to make other things.

-Kagome: He should not be on the field. He should be teaching sealcraft, shouting at students for wonky handwriting and scaring little genins with stories of the Out, surrounded by walls, people he knows and psychological support staff. He should be removed from stressful situations because PTSD and hyper-paranoia have and will put him in bad situations. Every effort should be put into warming up Kagome to the idea of delegating the safety of team Uplift to others, so that he may accept his stay-at-home role. I believe its priority #1 before the team returns to Konoha.
He's agreed to get therapy, and hopefully that means he'll be staying in Leaf for the duration of that time. This mission is a bit of an outlier, because Jiraiya needs us out of Leaf so we can't get sucked into Leaf-politics and used against Jiraiya to question his authority and hamstring rescue efforts for Naruto. Once we get back, I expect Kagome will be given a place in Leaf where he isn't in situations where his conditions will cause problems.

-Chunin exams: The team should prepare themselves to propose and undergo formal testing. Working on reputation to convey their abilities doesn't work when no-one's heard of you. Imagine how differently the situation might have gone if Team Uplifted presented themselves at 'four chunin and a jonin' instead of 'bunch of capable missing-nin'. It would be a fun story arc too.

-Teams: It is in Jiraiya's best interests to split the team up in between major missions. A major mission would require coordination, so people who work together is fine. However, for every A-rank there's a dozen B-rank missions to be assigned. For these missions, the team's skill and experience is wasted. Assigning a genin group to Keiko, Hazo, Noburi separately if temporarily will allow up to nine Konoha ninja to gain practical survival teaching from someone who lived in the wild for hundreds of days and had to deal with life-threatening situations, per mission. So, the team must get ready to be separated for long periods of time. They must also get ready to have a jonin assigned to lead their group on major missions. Minami is a sign of things to come.
Jiraiya called us something like 'I dunno, Chuunin? We'll test you later', so we probably will get our formal evaluations once there's time for it. Currently I have no idea on what happens after that, team-wise. We're as well-oiled a team as you can get, so breaking us up reduces our overall usefulness, but I can't honestly be sure any of them will even go on field missions in the first place, since they could just focus on the skills that keep them at Leaf (Sealing, Logistics, Mednin).

-Keiko: I feel sorry for the girl. Is there only one eligible Nara bachelor? How long can she hold off a marriage? She's only like, 13.
This is ninja-land, where if you wait until 18 for marriage you're likely already dead, so it makes sense for social customs to favour younger marriages. As it is, it's only being arranged right now and both sides are being very nice about it, so I wouldn't worry too much. Especially since this gives Keiko not only an entire family of people who will be accepting and helpful with her Frozen Skein and associated troubles, but also a big ol' library to spend time in.

-Noburi: I don't recall if using ice instead of water for his abilities was properly tested.
He tried to work with snow in Snow, and said it felt like his bloodline was getting blocked or plugged up or something like that. Maybe with more levels in VD, but not right now.

-Hazo: Big mouth, causes problems when he dives into explaining plans with redundant elements or come off as ignoring others' knowledge, for example, when Noburi commented that Hazo ignored Kagome's winter survival knowledge. I propose that Hazo be inspired by scientific papers and prepare an abstract for his speech before he starts. An abstract in this case would be a résumé of his main talking points and suggestions. He's got the whole plan in his head before he speaks, so why not preface it with a statement that allows those he is talking to to quickly interject and add something before he starts. This was he won't give redundant details, assume wrongly about his interlocutors' knowledge or focus on the wrong thing.
Not sure how much of this shows in reader mode, but the chapter where Kagome almost killed Minami used to be one where Kagome actually killed Minami (the retcon was because the QMs realized Hazou would've noticed something was up with Kagome) and the resulting panic prompted a discussion on how much control we have over Hazou (since it was us telling him to share the mist drain that caused the situation). The previous state was that Hazou did exactly what we told him to do, even if it disregards his common sense, and we collectively decided to give up some of that control so that Hazou can exercise his common sense and avoid things like this. It means we have to be a little more indirect guiding him towards research (we have to convince him it's a worthy research topic, we can't just force him to play with rocks until he invents concrete) but that's a small price to make sure we don't apply foot to mouth at mach 3 and mess everything up every twenty chapters or so.

-Akane: She's taking the team's departure and unexpected return very well. A little too well. Might exploring her feelings more deeply, instead of what she says she's feeling, be of interest? Hazo's maybe not the best person for this. He's putting his girlfriend on a pedestal and that's not good for either of them.
Valid concerns, though I'm not quite sure what we can do about it here. Maybe we can ask Mari once we get back to Leaf?
 
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@eaglejarl : Thanks. No time for headaches though, we just entered the world of Naruto proper and there's a million storylines waiting to happen.
And back story to smooth out. My head's still spinning from the Short History of Ninja reveal, and I can't wait to see what you do with Orichimaru and the Gedo Mazo.

@Inferno Vulpix :

A thousand thanks for going through my list of suggestions.

I'm on my phone now but here's what I've got-

-Force walls: I was trying to do the classic 'let's build a lighsaber' move until I read the two tag requirement. Guilty!

-Artillery: Any combustible will do, its just that coal/charcoal should be easy to come by. We don't have the metalwork for guns right now, so angled pits in the ground with partial force wall barreling should work.

-Macerators: the oxidizer is just so that we aren't limited to the oxygen in the air and get full combustion in a confined space. Maybe even get them used underwater.

I think a lot of the other stuff could be advanced through simple questioning and scientific method. The only cheating is that we know the results in advance.

Like: what would help civilians? More food. How to make more food? More land... unless something limits your available arable surfaces, like pesky politics. So how to make more food?

Ask around for what caused good crop years and do simple randomized co trolled trials. More water, more light, more heat, more of that clay soil or more of the black stuff... What do plants like?

Well, what does the black soil have that clay doesn't. Decomposing organic matter. Any organics? What helps specifically? Which part of that can be produced artificially, in vast quantities?

You're not going to industrialize cow poo, so maybe its something you can find in nature? Ask a chemist. Get noburi to track how different substances are absorbed by plants. Get Keiko to read books on agriculture ect.
 
Place a Macerator loaded with coal into the pit or force-wall volume. Projectile on top. Ignite. The pressure generated by the fuel-air explosion will drive the projectile out of the cannon.
We would need to load the Macerator with an appropriate amount of solid oxidizer in this case. I will start looking at the best candidates forthwith as it is a worthy distraction from my plans of how to make a bigger better FAE. By the by I should probably link you to some of the work Ive been doing with powdered coal dust and superheated lamp oil.

I have not sat idle my friend and should I have my way the world shall tremble as it witnesses my works and despairs.
 
We would need to load the Macerator with an appropriate amount of solid oxidizer in this case. I will start looking at the best candidates forthwith as it is a worthy distraction from my plans of how to make a bigger better FAE. By the by I should probably link you to some of the work Ive been doing with powdered coal dust and superheated lamp oil.

I have not sat idle my friend and should I have my way the world shall tremble as it witnesses my works and despairs.

Sounds like the sort of work that would put me on a list... and I'm not talking about one of Hazo's!

Also, we have storage seals that can freeze a mixture in time. Something wet or frozen would be just fine... Distilled peroxide and paraffin?
 
So I have found our best bet for simple oxidizers that can be produced at our tech level and have been in history.

Potassium nitrate, saltpeter as it is more commonly known, is a potent oxidizer and also fertilizer. This allows us to solve the civilian problem of food production at the same time as making devastating explosive propellants for our future firearms endeavors. As this will be a very important tool for our future plans I will outline the low tech production methods we will have to use here.

The most likely method would be the French method which I will detail, however I should be clear that it is in no way the only solution. First a bed will have to be prepared by mixing manure with wood ash. This mixture will then be spread over a rectangular area of approx. 1.8x4.6 meters. We can go larger here but this is a reasonable size for producing enough saltpeter to be useful in applications. The bed is then heaped over with common earth and various elements of plant matter to a height of aprox. 1.2 meters. The pile will have to be under a cover to protect from rain and kept moist using urine.

After about a year enough potassium nitrate will have formed that we can leach the substance using water and filter it through potash, made by simply soaking plant matter ashes in water, and have a relatively pure substance.

In conclusion, while it is not an instant fix, lest we find a natural deposit, it will be a multi-use substance that we should begin production of as rapidly as possible.

 
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and I can't wait to see what you do with Orichimaru
Oh, he's dead. Too much time working with radioactives and poisons. He was working on developing X-rays (cf canon), but unfortunately the only reliable source of radioactives in MfD is the lung tissue of the chakra ostrich -- we figured there had to be some sort of mechanism for their atomic breath weapon, and since they didn't have chakra it had to be rooted in physics. @Velorien wasn't big on the idea of chakra ostriches but, hey, it's in Naruto so it has to be in MfD, right? Not like we would leave out elements just because they make no sense. Anyway, Orochimaru put together a flock of war-chakra-ostriches and harvested the lungs of the elderly ones for use in his experiments. Unfortunately the Leaf ninja who were training to be ostrich cavalry kept dying of radiation poisoning. Eventually Hiruzen got pissed off enough to kick Orochimaru out; without constant interventions by Leaf's medical team he died within weeks.

So, yeah. No Orochimaru in this setting. And everything I've said in this post is absolutely 100% not true so you should feel free to rely on it for your in-character planning.
 
So I have found our best bet for simple oxidizers that can be produced at our tech level and have been in history.

Potassium nitrate, saltpeter as it is more commonly known, is a potent oxidizer and also fertilizer. This allows us to solve the civilian problem of food production at the same time as making devastating explosive propellants for our future firearms endeavors. As this will be a very important tool for our future plans I will outline the low tech production methods we will have to use here.

The most likely method would be the French method which I will detail, however I should be clear that it is in no way the only solution. First a bed will have to be prepared by mixing manure with wood ash. This mixture will then be spread over a rectangular area of approx. 1.8x4.6 meters. We can go larger here but this is a reasonable size for producing enough saltpeter to be useful in applications. The bed is then heaped over with common earth and various elements of plant matter to a height of aprox. 1.2 meters. The pile will have to be under a cover to protect from rain and kept moist using urine.

After about a year enough potassium nitrate will have formed that we can leach the substance using water and filter it through potash, made by simply soaking plant matter ashes in water, and have a relatively pure substance.

In conclusion, while it is not an instant fix, lest we find a natural deposit, it will be a multi-use substance that we should begin production of as rapidly as possible.

Do you know where natural deposits of this tend to form? With a production method that complex, we'll very likely only be able to get it by reverse-engineering it when we find the material ourselves.
 
how about we go total bonkers with Seal research and make small missions for ninja from by-the-road villages?

We both get great skill inscrease in seal-mastery and we propagate our ultimate goal of uplifting the world, by spreading that there are ninja that instead of assasinating and warring build houses.
 
how about we go total bonkers with Seal research and make small missions for ninja from by-the-road villages?

We both get great skill inscrease in seal-mastery and we propagate our ultimate goal of uplifting the world, by spreading that there are ninja that instead of assasinating and warring build houses.
Jiraiya won't let us go out doing that, we'd have to go missing-nin. Again.

Also he would kill us.
 
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