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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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So, a more serious goal for the future: Figure out resurrection. Real resurrection, not edo tensei.
 
Okay, so my answer for a win condition is Toggleable Infinite Utopian Tsukiyomi.

Why? As Velorien states, you can pack an infinite amount of time into an infinitely short duration with sufficiently powerful Tsukiyomi, and since Mari sensei has already mentioned the possibilty of letting the person determine the effects of the genjutsu (Heartbreaker genjutsu) it stands to reason you could make a genjutsu whose entire purpose is to show the person their most fervent wish.

At the point where we satisfy the wishes of literally everyone the moon shines upon, for an infinite length of time, counts as a utilitarian victory for me.
 
on second thought after thinking about the likely result of Noburis style it may end up with him having a Do Not Engage order and the name Tentacle Monster so I am perfectly okay with this new style because it'll also bait the poor suckers who thought they were clever by monitoring their chakra levels from knowing about mist drain and not holy shit watch out for the med nin tentacles
 
eaglejarl said:
  1. The hivemind's ultimate goals appear to be 'uplift the world' with a dash of 'watch the world burn' thrown in. (Looking at you, @Radvic and @Dark as Silver!) If you (the individual human currently reading these words) haven't solidified your objective then this would be the time to do it. In particular, if you did manage to achieve your victory condition, what would the world look like after you won?
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You know, between this and the Story only, if you'd said my name one more time I could have made a Beetlejuice pun.
 
eaglejarl said:
If you (the individual human currently reading these words) haven't solidified your objective then this would be the time to do it. In particular, if you did manage to achieve your victory condition, what would the world look like after you won?
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Total victory is not impossible, but it is impossible to achieve in one lifetime. Revolutionary change does not work--that's one of the basic lessons of history, I think.

Change must be slow and gradual, or else you end up imposing wrong change, right change at too high a price, or inviting a severe blacklash, or some combination of the three.

That said, the total victory I want is a world where ninjas are neither able to nor desirous of treating civilians as less-than-humans. The feasible victory I want is a world where factors--technological, cultural, or other--are in place that will eventually (over a span of centuries) lead to my "total victory" world.
 
@eaglejarl

I was rereading the chapter just now and it struck me how much I can sympathize with Kagome. Not directly -- but I see what could have been, of me, in him. Once upon a time I was misanthropic to the core, and it was a series of stories that shocked me out of it. I just wanted to let you know -- you, and @Velorien, and @OliWhail -- that your writing is important. It helps people, even if they may not see it at the time. Thanks for all the words you've written and those to come.
Raxner said:
Total victory is not impossible, but it is impossible to achieve in one lifetime. Revolutionary change does not work--that's one of the basic lessons of history, I think.

Change must be slow and gradual, or else you end up imposing wrong change, right change at too high a price, or inviting a severe blacklash, or some combination of the three.

That said, the total victory I want is a world where ninjas are neither able to nor desirous of treating civilians as less-than-humans. The feasible victory I want is a world where factors--technological, cultural, or other--are in place that will eventually (over a span of centuries) lead to my "total victory" world.
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Who said anything about finite lifetimes? I no more desire those in story than I do IRL :p
 
Cariyaga said:
His Dark Materials series and The World Ends With You (actually a video game not a story, but writing is writing).
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I was disappointed with TWEWY in the end. It set up such wonderful, grand mysteries... and then the truth turned out to be vague, implausible and explained largely through hidden post-game docs. What was it you found meaningful in the story?
 
Velorien said:
I was disappointed with TWEWY in the end. It set up such wonderful, grand mysteries... and then the truth turned out to be vague, implausible and explained largely through hidden post-game docs. What was it you found meaningful in the story?
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Without being too spoilery, its protagonist's growth as a person (and initial state of being) throughout the game mirrored my own. I also found the setting and characters intensely fascinating. The antagonists were an interesting insight into perverse incentives, and the end of the story (setting aside Another Day and the Secret Reports) proper was very touching to me. I played the game at the perfect time for myself as a person for the poignant points to hit me particularly hard and break through my fugue.
 
Win conditions:
  • Have Leaf be the strongest village, with Akatsuki off the table and other villages either entirely irrelevant or allies, and us in aninfluential position (like being the Hokage's kids and on good terms with him) - the Sage and his brother should be off the table for this to work, if they exist. "Dead" would be the best solution, but "enslaved" or "allies we have some sort of hold over" would also be good ("deeply trusted allies would be best, but I just can't see that happening")
  • Somehow get rid of all chakra
  • Be alive, relatively safe, along with everyone we care about. Considering we're all active-duty shinobi, "relatively safe" seems hard to achieve
 
Youthful D of the Handsome Beast That is Really Big and Hard?
Will we need to get a breeding license for this jutsu?
 
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...You know I just realized.

We're going to Ise, the major city in the Land of Noodles. The same place where a bunch of Mist-nin, including their Jinchuriki, Mizukage, and two other S-rank ninjas, went missing during a major operation.

I assign significant probability that the entire country is going to be crawling with Mist-nin trying to figure out wtf happened. And that one of them can and will recognize Noburi's barrel.

hoooooo boy.
 
faflec said:
...You know I just realized.

We're going to Ise, the major city in the Land of Noodles. The same place where a bunch of Mist-nin, including their Jinchuriki, Mizukage, and two other S-rank ninjas, went missing during a major operation.

I assign significant probability that the entire country is going to be crawling with Mist-nin trying to figure out wtf happened. And that one of them can and will recognize Noburi's barrel.

hoooooo boy.
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Kagome's last birthday present for Noburi covers that.

OliWhail said:
"Still don't see why anybody'd want to hang around those sneaking cheating stinkers any longer than they had to," Kagome grumbled. "Speaking of sneaking, I've got something too." From behind his log he pulled a thin, single-strap, almost tube-shaped leather pack with a double set of strings at its neck. "Waterproof, double layered for padding. Extra ties at the top? Close, tie, fold over, tie again, nothing getting out." He pointed to the back. "Extra pocket, already got a bunch of misterators in there for replenishing the supply. Next time you need to go sneaking through some stinking clan-nin's territory, you fill it with water, slip it under your shirt, don't need to carry the barrel and get recognized." He waved a finger admonishingly. "Only half full. Squishy, so you can roll if you need to, eh?"

Noburi took it and marvelled at the craftsmanship for a moment before raising a skeptical eyebrow at Kagome for a long second.

"Oh, and the strap is lined with directional explosives on the inside," the sealmaster added as an afterthought.

"Thaaat's what I was waiting for," Noburi said, laughing. "For a second I was worried a lupchanz really had gotten you!"
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We'll put the barrel in storage and Noburi will use this instead.
 
If we're still talking about win conditions, transcending out of the universe/breaking out of the simulation is mine.
 
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