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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Oneiros43 said:
Don't need to bother with 5SB. Shaped charges are the way to go. No kick. No soot. Defined force.
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We want maximum force, which I suspect regular implosion seals would provide more of when stuffed down a barrel than shaped charges. The goal is to kill someone as they sleep through their bedroom walls from sufficiently far away that it's undetectable. Hell, you could maybe even put a Banshee Slayer along the front of the barrel -- then it would make no sound and no light (it's implosion seals which are invisible aside from their effects).
 
Assuming shaped charges impart force, we could always suggest to Kagome mounting metal sharpnel on the front of his rings to increase their effective range.
 
ting said:
So... the overall interpretation is that Akatsuki were smart here but their plan's success seems a bit... Fortuitous. They needed to take the jinchuuriki alive but they totally just got lucky that Sarutobi didn't end up killing Yagura instead and that Naruto didn't end up with an opponent that killed him (e.g. Yagura prolly would've just murdered him).
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It was never likely that Yagura would fight Naruto--remember, Leaf set up this fight, presumably they had a way to ensure that Naruto would walk away alive.

As for Yagura's precious life, I imagine that if it seemed like Sarutobi was about to end him, they would've intervened earlier.
 
Oneiros43 said:
Making guns capable of killing an s-ranker fairly bad idea. Gun that can kill chakra beast and are usable by civilians great idea
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Why? If our ideal world is one where ninjas cannot treat civilians like non-entities, it seems like making civilians be able to kill ninjas is one way to get there. The only reason ninjas respect* each other is that each one knows that the other one poses a threat to him. Make civilians pose a threat and civilians will get respect, too.

Also, if guns that can kill s-rank ninjas are a bad idea, guns that can kill chakra beasts are probably also a bad idea. Once the principle behind making guns is revealed, someone will improve them.

*For the purpose of this comment, "respect" means "not casually attack."
 
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Raxner said:
Why? If our ideal world is one where ninjas cannot treat civilians like non-entities, it seems like making civilians be able to kill ninjas is one way to get there. The only reason ninjas respect* each other is that each one knows that the other one poses a threat to him. Make civilians pose a threat and civilians will get respect, too.

*For the purpose of this comment, "respect" means "not casually attack."
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The real problem is that Leaf (and the other nations) will never allow a weapon that allows a civilian to kill a ninja spread to civilians. It's too great a threat to their power.
 
notanautomaton said:
Well I for one don't want to start burning bridges in Leaf until they start burning us.
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Right. So if we convince the powers-that-be to give the poor civilians anti-chakra-beast guns, we've not burnt any bridges. Is it Hazo's fault that five or ten or fifty years later someone else upgraded guns into ninja-killers?
 
Raxner said:
Right. So if we convince the powers-that-be to give the poor civilians anti-chakra-beast guns, we've not burnt any bridges. Is it Hazo's fault that five or ten or fifty years later someone else upgraded guns into ninja-killers?
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Anti-chakra beast guns are anti-ninja guns. Suddenly you can't just send genins in in order to maintain order, you have to send chunin in instead. And that's dangerous to the power of the villages. They'll never let that technology get into the hands of civilians.
 
notanautomaton said:
Anti-chakra beast guns are anti-ninja guns. Suddenly you can't just send genins in in order to maintain order, you have to send chunin in instead. And that's dangerous to the power of the villages. They'll never let that technology get into the hands of civilians.
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So we've got to find a way to make the anti-chakra-beast guns not be anti-ninja guns. How do we slip this kunai past them and into the ribs of the Villages?
 
Uh, frankly I don't like the idea of guns in general being made widespread. I don't like them IRL, either, though, so... :p
 
notanautomaton said:
Or we could not try to betray them while thinking that we're smarter than the Nara and Jiraya?
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You and I, living in our world, know that there is a line that goes from blunderbusses to machine guns. How would the Nara and Jiraiya know that? Even Hazo doesn't know that, and can't know that--no fear of the Yamanaka. He can be totally honest about just wanting to help the civilians deal with chakra beasts.
 
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Raxner said:
You and I, living in our world, know that there is a line that goes from blunderbusses to machine guns. How would the Nara and Jiraiya know that? Even Hazo doesn't know that, and can't know that--no fear of the Yamanaka. He can be totally honest about just wanting to help the civilians deal with chakra beasts.
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I'm done with this argument. Have fun trying to betray Konoha, hope you have fun with that.
 
notanautomaton said:
Are done by Jonin or Special Jonin. ie, people who would have no problems taking out a civilian armed even with a modern assault rifle or something.
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I doubt that. Assuming you're an evil Kage who wants to kill civilians so that the other village won't have too large a population base, why do you send Jonin or Special Jonin to do it when Genin are more than enough to kill anyone that's not a ninja? Fine, put a Chunin in charge of the squad, but what do you need to waste Kakashi on this job for?

Just by making it a job for Jonin and Special Jonin, you tilt the power balance towards the civilians, making things like Scorch Squads harder to do (fewer Jonin then Genin) and therefore rarer.

Also, in an earlier effort of Eaglejarl's over on Fanfiction.net, he had Orochimaru give a speech that made a pretty strong argument that non-ninja with modern armaments would probably be a match for ninja up to and including S-rankers.
 
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Cariyaga said:
So you want to stop genocide... by causing genocide? :p
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I don't think that giving civilians guns is causing genocide. At worst, it is creating a possibility of genocide sometime off in the far distant future.

Yes, I will take a possibility of far-future genocide over a reality of genocide today.

What's the better plan for stopping the scorch squads?
 
Raxner said:
I don't think that giving civilians guns is causing genocide. At worst, it is creating a possibility of genocide sometime off in the far distant future.

Yes, I will take a possibility of far-future genocide over a reality of genocide today.

What's the better plan for stopping the scorch squads?
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Better food production, making infrastructure development a priority... The stuff we would have done after the mist war anyway.
 
Cariyaga said:
Better food production, making infrastructure development a priority... The stuff we would have done after the mist war anyway.
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All good stuff, worthwhile stuff--but not stuff that stops murderous ninjas (but I repeat myself) from killing everybody that's not a ninja whenever that suits them.
 
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