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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Oneiros43 said:
[X] Action Plan: Make Like A tree
Scene in the Hokage-office
Find out Mission critical information for Hokage-Sama
  • Do we have authorization to use Skywalker's for speed/stealth purposes?
  • Ask permission to speak about the recent meeting in front of Minami/Akane.
  • Ask if Keiko should send a Pangolin messenger (contracted to her) to the Toad Clan using the Summoning Realm.
    • Have we already done this?
    • Would allow Keiko to summon the messenger to give updates to the Toad Clan, and therefore to Jiraiya.
    • Would allow Jiraiya to send messages to the messenger through the Toad Clan, and therefore to Keiko.
    • Grants rapid communications between Konoha and our team after the 10 day travel time.
Letting Jiraiya know that team uplift has his back

  • Let Jiraiya know that he is part of the team now
  • And that team uplift is willing to go Pretty Damn far for each other
  • And even though we don't know him Naruto is to since he is one of Jiraiya's precious people
  • The team might not be able to fight this level of opponent (yet) but we can help give Jiraiya the tools so he can
    • So Hazou is going to need a list of seals asap
      So we can see if we can get another turn it upside down moment
    • Or if there is any other gear that Jiraiya would like to give his new clan
  • Tell Mari and Jiraiya to take care of each other
  • Hugs for everyone
Off-screen put together supplies
  • Get/make:
    • Kunai & shuriken.
    • Rations.
    • Seal-quality paper and ink(stones).
    • Specialized things:
      • Water supply (for Noburi's jutsu).
      • Macerator payloads:
        • Very fragrant things, ideally very fargrant oils for scent bombs. Something that clings to people would be best.
        • Some irritants (like pepper or chillis) for irritant bombs.
        • Very fine ash or talk for smoke bombs.
        • Iron that we can heat for a flash-bang.
        • We can superheat iron ourselves using Elemental Mastery if a smithy is unavailable.Alternatively we just do this when visiting some village with a blacksmith.
        • Portable Skybase.
        • Make Skywalkers (if authorized).
Leave Leaf
Follow standard protocol and start making our way to river
  • Talk with Minami.
  • Do this once we are on our way to river
  • Trade intel on general abilities/seals/protocols.
    • Make note of how we use Noburi's bloodline to boost our border crossings with chakra (without the risk of running out).
    • (If authorized) Brief Minami on Skywalkers.
  • Share stories about our accomplishments with Minami
    • Team uplift should be a toned down version of this our team killed every chakra beast from Fire's Swamp of Death to the jungles of Tea. We've crushed jounin, fought an entire village of ninja, and faced down Jiraiya of the Sannin. I stood my ground in front of Pantsaa of the Adamant Scales, the Boss Summon of the Pangolin Clan, and made him fear me. My comrade"—she waved to Hazou—"killed three chunin in single combat when he was only a few months out of the Academy. Our leader fought his way out of a prison designed to hold sealmasters.
    • Also include how Noburi talked a ninja team down and hustled them for money
    • What has Minami done? (This is mostly an excuse so eaglejarl can write some badass combat scenes here if he wants to)
  • Ask about what we know about the contact we are meeting
  • Get to river and find where our contact is
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In universe, I like this plan. On a meta level, I don't think the QMs will have the spoons to make a full list and mechanics for every seal Konoha has access to.
 
[X] Action Plan: Dearth of a Salesman

@Oneiros43 You've got some formatting errors from moving my plan around I think, probably want to change those before @eaglejarl decides we're stupid enough to put Skywalker seals in a Macerator.

Regarding the plan itself, I have a compromise wrt the humor thing. Instead of talking about going pretty damn far you could make a joke about this:
OliWhail said:
Jiraiya froze cold, and then his head dropped into his hands very, very slowly. "A month," he mumbled to himself. "A month in the hands of some snot-nosed kid, and suddenly a seal I've had access to for decades is the biggest strategic shift since the fucking Sage of Six Paths."

He raised his head, wearing the face of a broken man. "Huh. Maybe I should try kicking you out of Leaf again and see what you come up with this time."

"With respect, I'd advise against that, sir," Keiko cut in. "Notably, it risks our dying and being unable to provide Leaf with additional ideas and innovations. Additionally, according to Hazou, he had actually had the idea for skywalkers for quite a while, and the Air Domes just happened to provide an easier way to accomplish it."
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Basically, since Jiraiya is (technically) kicking us out of Leaf again, we could joke that we need to come up with another game-changing seal before coming back. This would also segue nicely into asking for seals, even as a joke.

If you don't like this (and would rather not talk about it), could you at least change the line itself to:
And that team uplift is willing to go Pretty Damn far for Jiraiya as well
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The previous quote (And that team uplift is willing to go Pretty Damn far for each other) is a bit ambiguous on whether or not Jiraiya is a part of team uplift
 
faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Dearth of a Salesman

@Oneiros43 You've got some formatting errors from moving my plan around I think, probably want to change those before @eaglejarl decides we're stupid enough to put Skywalker seals in a Macerator.

Regarding the plan itself, I have a compromise wrt the humor thing. Instead of talking about going pretty damn far you could make a joke about this:

Basically, since Jiraiya is (technically) kicking us out of Leaf again, we could joke that we need to come up with another game-changing seal before coming back. This would also segue nicely into asking for seals, even as a joke.

If you don't like this (and would rather not talk about it), could you at least change the line itself to:

The previous quote (And that team uplift is willing to go Pretty Damn far for each other) is a bit ambiguous on whether or not Jiraiya is a part of team uplift
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Going to keep the to damn far line in but will edit it to make sure Jiraiya knows he is part of the plan. It is to strong narratively not to include. Also both your and @Jello_Raptor plan feel pretty boring. It's all very by the numbers. Suggest including something fun for eaglejarl to write. Also suggest have packing happen off screen
 
Oneiros43 said:
Suggest including something fun for eaglejarl to write. Also suggest have packing happen off screen
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I'm not sure if [something fun]'s even physically possible without doing something crazy because of the general plan we're doing: pack up and leave. Not much leeway for having fun.

Having packing done off-screen was an assumed "something that will happen" but I'll make a note anyway.
 
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PSA: lore update is taking longer than expected, as did a couple other things today, so I am shooting for getting it out tomorrow evening. It shouldn't contain any tactically relevant information, so I encourage y'all to keep planning in the meantime (which I expect you've done, I'm just 10+ pages behind the thread).
 
Jello_Raptor said:
Or, they'll start using civvies where they use to use genin, and then make sure more genin survive to hit chuunin.

We did it in an omake, we can do it in canon!
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Nah, no point in using non-ninjas (and sorry, if they have a combat capacity that makes them dangerous to ninjas, they're not civilians anymore). If ninjas cannot kill them without unacceptably high casualties, why would non-ninjas?

Yeah, do it everywhere. The strong will always prey upon the weak. The only solution is to make the weak strong.
 
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Oneiros43 said:
Maybe add something with catching up with Akane?
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That might violate Hazo's agreement with her father. Professional mission-related interactions are one thing; hanging out and chatting are something else again.

So, does it violate the agreement? If it does, does Hazo care?
 
Raxner said:
That might violate Hazo's agreement with her father. Professional mission-related interactions are one thing; hanging out and chatting are something else again.

So, does it violate the agreement? If it does, does Hazo care?
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She's going on the mission with us. Also we are officially leaf Nin
 
Raxner said:
That might violate Hazo's agreement with her father. Professional mission-related interactions are one thing; hanging out and chatting are something else again.

So, does it violate the agreement? If it does, does Hazo care?
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Uh... She's literally on a mission with us. I'm pretty sure us avoiding her will harm mission success. I'm all for interacting with Akane as much as the two want (so long as it doesn't interfere with the mission). I also think that we've met the requirements that Akane's dad set. If we really want to go hard core about it, spend 15 of our 120 minutes before heading out on the mission to inform Akane's dad that we're Leaf nin now and will be dating his daughter thank-you-very-much.

Or just ignore the shipping in our action plans and focus on the relevant things. Like making sure we have enough nuke preparation.

Do any of the action plans have "prepare implosion nukes?" Because I don't think that'll take more than 2 hours, and it seems like a great thing to do at this juncture.
 
Radvic said:
Uh... She's literally on a mission with us. I'm pretty sure us avoiding her will harm mission success.
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Sure--I did differentiate between professional mission-relevant interactions and personal interactions. As for the agreement, the miracle has happened, but we haven't brought it to Akane's father--that was part of the agreement, too. He might be seriously annoyed if Hazo goes ahead and regards himself as free to date Akane before he (Akane's father) has signed off on the same.

Implosion nukes? Yes, I agree. Definitely a good time to channel Kagome-Sensei.
 
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ProperAttorney said:
@faflec It came up in the discord a few days ago, but maybe we could ask J about getting a chakra blade?
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It'd probably be better to ask when we get back. My best estimate is that he'll say no, and while asking doesn't cost much it's bad form to ask anyways while Jiraiya's sleep deprived and trying to figure out much more important issues.

It's worth a shot, sure, but we don't want to ask Jiraiya while he's in the state he's currently in.
 
So, if we assume the implosion seal analysis I did most recently is roughly correct, then we can make some seriously frightening explosives. If we can attach a bundle of them to a kunai with an explosive tag, we might even be able to kill an S rank if they decide to play with us instead of outright kill us.

General preparation strategy is to just trigger implosion seals without having them break. This can be done by a variety of means (e.g. cover with MEW plates, bury in dirt, submerge in water), and means we can just unseal a bunch of air at ~1 atm over an ~20 meter radius. That's a crazy amount of energy. How much energy you ask? Well, if we assume the kinetic theory:

KE = 3 / 2 * n * R * T

Where:
n = number of mols (~1500 mol)
R = Ideal Gas Constant (~8.31 J / mol / K)
T = temperature (~295 K)

Then we're adding

KE = 5522400 J = 5.5 MJ ~ 1kg of dynamite

For each tag.

Hmm.... I kinda thought it was more powerful than that. We might need to stack more of them than I thought. We... might not be able to build a nuke with no notice in 2 hours.
 
Radvic said:
So, if we assume the implosion seal analysis I did most recently is roughly correct, then we can make some seriously frightening explosives. If we can attach a bundle of them to a kunai with an explosive tag, we might even be able to kill an S rank if they decide to play with us instead of outright kill us.

General preparation strategy is to just trigger implosion seals without having them break. This can be done by a variety of means (e.g. cover with MEW plates, bury in dirt, submerge in water), and means we can just unseal a bunch of air at ~1 atm over an ~20 meter radius. That's a crazy amount of energy. How much energy you ask? Well, if we assume the kinetic theory:

KE = 3 / 2 * n * R * T

Where:
n = number of mols (~1500 mol)
R = Ideal Gas Constant (~8.31 J / mol / K)
T = temperature (~295 K)

Then we're adding

KE = 5522400 J = 5.5 MJ ~ 1kg of dynamite

For each tag.

Hmm.... I kinda thought it was more powerful than that. We might need to stack more of them than I thought. We... might not be able to build a nuke with no notice in 2 hours.
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Can we get fusion if we set off a (or several) prepared implosion seal(s) inside a box made of force walls?
 
Vecht said:
Can we get fusion if we set off a (or several) prepared implosion seal(s) inside a box made of force walls?
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I don't think so. I assume that just as the implosion seal magically vanishes air from far away from itself, it magically restores the air to the relative location it took it from. If it all expands out from the same point, then we'd likely get fusion bombs normally unless they took a fair amount of time, but if they took a fair amount of time, implosion seals wouldn't be as powerful as they are.
 
Er... unless I'm missing something, can't we just put a force wall on a frame at the end of a glove, and punch through literally anything? The counter force that would normally be applied to the gauntlet/your hand is just poofed, so you have the force of the object pressing against the force wall being exactly cancelled out, leaving net force in the direction of your punch.

Dammit this is weird.

@Jello_Raptor @Radvic?
 
Vecht said:
Er... unless I'm missing something, can't we just put a force wall on a frame at the end of a glove, and punch through literally anything? The counter force that would normally be applied to the gauntlet/your hand is just poofed, so you have the force of the object pressing against the force wall being exactly cancelled out, leaving net force in the direction of your punch.

Dammit this is weird.

@Jello_Raptor @Radvic?
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I didn't think that a ruling on that had been made yet, but it is another reason I'd expect force walls to actually transmit forces to their seals.
 
Vecht said:
Er... unless I'm missing something, can't we just put a force wall on a frame at the end of a glove, and punch through literally anything? The counter force that would normally be applied to the gauntlet/your hand is just poofed, so you have the force of the object pressing against the force wall being exactly cancelled out, leaving net force in the direction of your punch.

Dammit this is weird.

@Jello_Raptor @Radvic?
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Eh? I mean, what seems likely to happen is that it ends up leaving the punch just as forceful as it would be without, but it basically would be perfect boxing gloves.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
Eh? I mean, what seems likely to happen is that it ends up leaving the punch just as forceful as it would be without, but it basically would be perfect boxing gloves.
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The thing is, normally when you punch something "stationary", you can't move it because as you push harder, it pushes back on you equally hard. If Force Walls don't transmit that counter force to the seals or anything they're attached to, that force just goes poof. Meaning the entire system of [object, gauntlet, fist] must now be moving in the direction of your punch, at the speed of your punch.

If you punched someone's body fast enough, it would pass straight through as the soft tissue surrounding the area of impact just shears away effortlessly. (Note: normally when punching you want to put force behind it, by coordinating your muscle groups and pushing off of the ground. But that is not necessary here -- you would just want to throw your hand forward as fast as you can.)

Actually, on second thought, let's not do this even if it works. Mainly because the moment you collide two Force Walls together, you will tell various quantum degeneracy pressures to go fuck themselves and convert most of the mass-energy of anything trapped inside into an expanding plane of gamma radiation, or worse. Assuming this doesn't instabork the universe.

E: Actually actually, in practice you couldn't get perfect alignment and /or push them together fast enough. So probably not instabork or gamma rays, but still pretty bad.
 
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