Threnodist
occupying Haudenosaunee & Osage land she/her/hers
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- Pittsburgh
Hahahaha, y'all would hate Baudrillard.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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- Yes.
The general election.
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- Actually pretty lost
Assuming that's a quest where this sort of thing happens a lot, I don't think it's necessarily the case. I think a large part of why people are so angry about this is that this is The Serious Quest, where we put a lot of effort into playing correctly and the GMs think things through all the way.
I'd be perfectly happy playing a MEMES quest, but this isn't it.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
From what I've read, the American General Election of 2016 CE had more to do with Trump's side talking about jobs and Clinton's talking about somewhat vague ideals. For some reason, people cared about jobs>food>entire-way-of-life more than first-woman-president-of-America>what-a-victory-for-modern-culture>that's-nice-I-guess.
The joke plan winning, at least by the reasoning I was convinced to vote for it (before I saw it was past deadline) has more to do with it being a funny idea without any serious downsides as far as I could see.
I'm actually quite surprised that people are so upset at this; we've given @Velorien a chance to write some fluff, we may have a chance to bond with Team Asuma, and we should still be able to vote in Shadow of the Leaf next time.
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- Yes.
I was making a reference to the in-thread and in-Discord response to the general election results, as the general response was "OMGWTFBBQ". NOT the actual political reasons behind his victory.
#explainjokebot
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Actually he does. Akane was wearing one when they first met, and technically, no one ever said she stopped.Can I point out that Hazou doesn't even know what a Youth Suit looks like?
- Location
- Phoenix, AZ
Well. That was unexpected. I'm probably the person primarily at fault for this getting passed, and, as OP of the winning three words, could have linked to a plan. I did not because I'm was on my phone and very tired. I will note that it's up to @Velorien how Hazou tries to fulfil the three words. I can only hope that he fulfills it by executing @OliWhail's plan. If not, as Eaglejarl pointed out, it's not like this is likely to get us killed. More likely to result in mind scans, being teased for eternity, blowing cover, possibly burning Jiraiya goodwill, and missing out on some opportunities. Fortunately, we have in game teammates who can try to stop us. Our obsessing about spandex right now is not nearly as bad as Keiko deserting the team while in hostile territory.
The easiest way to do this is to increase voter participation. I know that I am often turned off voting because of long plans which get edited after I vote for them. Short plans are easier to understand, and thus more likely for casual participants (who outnumber hardcore participants) to vote for. Also, given we seem to rarely get through entire plans in an update anymore, shorter plans seems like a good idea anyways.
Ultimately, it seems like @Velorien just has free reign to make the scene be whatever he wants. I think he enjoys the quest, so he's probably unlikely to kill us? Note I'm not trying to move blame, just trying to point out it's not as bad as people seem to assume.
Finally, I'm pretty confident it won't do anything, but just in case:
[X] Combine Youthsuit and "Whose Leaf Does Not Wither" because please
The easiest way to do this is to increase voter participation. I know that I am often turned off voting because of long plans which get edited after I vote for them. Short plans are easier to understand, and thus more likely for casual participants (who outnumber hardcore participants) to vote for. Also, given we seem to rarely get through entire plans in an update anymore, shorter plans seems like a good idea anyways.
Hey there, I'm the one who proposed the vote initially, encouraged people to vote for it, and removed my vote from the good plan.
That was the idea my drugged up brain had when I posted.
Ultimately, it seems like @Velorien just has free reign to make the scene be whatever he wants. I think he enjoys the quest, so he's probably unlikely to kill us? Note I'm not trying to move blame, just trying to point out it's not as bad as people seem to assume.
Finally, I'm pretty confident it won't do anything, but just in case:
[X] Combine Youthsuit and "Whose Leaf Does Not Wither" because please
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- Phoenix, AZ
The bright side indeed.
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- Academy City
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- They
As someone who missed the end of the vote, I have to say I'm kinda confused. What's with all the backlash?
I mean, yes, youth suit wasn't what I would have voted for, but it's not like we just up and did Armageddon Initiative, or whatever. This isn't a bad end, it doesn't waste XP- why are people so upset about it? I get that it wasn't optimal, but this seems like a gross overreaction.
I mean, yes, youth suit wasn't what I would have voted for, but it's not like we just up and did Armageddon Initiative, or whatever. This isn't a bad end, it doesn't waste XP- why are people so upset about it? I get that it wasn't optimal, but this seems like a gross overreaction.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
A meme vote beat two plans that people put serious time into, basically. What's the point in putting plans together at all if someone can throw up a meme vote and appeal to the masses that way?
I, at least, voted for YOUTH because I didn't expect it to have large drawbacks. It's not plausible to claim the same thing about Armageddon Initiative.
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- Yes.
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- Europe
I think a good part of the outcry connects to my favorite rant topic: Player decisions and their impact on the quest.
Take what Radvic said:
The plan that won doesn't address the issues that are relevant to Hazou's current situation, it doesn't pursue any of his goals, and it doesn't make any bets on how things are or what is going to happen next.
Even if nothing bad happens, it's not because we made the correct choice or took a calculated risk; it's because @Velorien was feeling charitable or just felt like writing a happy update. This creates a huge disconnect between action and consequences, which is essential if you want to enjoy the interactive part of the quest. Why would anyone bother to make an actually good plan if they can just throw any three words together to survive and "win"?
The other option is that something bad happens. This will make everyone feel really wistful and disappointed because we could've voted in an actual plan, but decided to troll around instead.
I'm not sure what I want to happen in the next update. A part of me doesn't want anything bad to happen to Hazou and his teammates, but at the same time I don't want bad plans to get rewarded.
I was excited about getting Hazou to interact with Shikamaru, see Nobby bond with Chouji, and have Ino fangirl over Mari. Now I'm just feeling kinda bummed. Can't really blame anyone though, since I should've said something when I saw the youth votes.
The happy news is that this is just for the next update. We can fix our mistakes and do better come next voting period.
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- Yes.
Please do not memepost, or at least put it under spoiler. It's annoying.
Drasky
Dude
Edit: Because what the fuck people
[-] Action Plan: Buy a YOUTHSUIT
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I am, apparently, a seer. Back in January, I posted this, and now yinz have gone ahead and actually voted it as an actual plan. 
And yes, I know that I didn't vote. That's because this thread goes through more than 5 pages a day, and I only have time to check in once every four days or so.
On a completely unrelated note, while we wait for the other shoe to drop, there was a discussion of large-scale ways to improve the world that we could resume; a few weeks ago, I came up with this compendium of Captain Planet villainy to permanently remove some of the more harmful chakra monsters from the ecosystem by removing the ecosystem, and I'm interested in what yinz think, especially now that green is out of fashion.
And yes, I know that I didn't vote. That's because this thread goes through more than 5 pages a day, and I only have time to check in once every four days or so.
On a completely unrelated note, while we wait for the other shoe to drop, there was a discussion of large-scale ways to improve the world that we could resume; a few weeks ago, I came up with this compendium of Captain Planet villainy to permanently remove some of the more harmful chakra monsters from the ecosystem by removing the ecosystem, and I'm interested in what yinz think, especially now that green is out of fashion.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
How so? I really don't see how this follows, unless you're saying that impulse voting might
lead to that.
Alright, that makes more sense. I still think it seems a bit over-exaggerated, though. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I started reading this thread because I wanted to read Velorien's (and after a short while, Eaglejarl's as well) writing. I understand about agency being limited, but I don't see how wanting or read a fluffy update (which is my understanding of what the thought processes were) is a bad thing.
Yes, @OliWhail worked hard on his plan, and I like reading them. Working hard on something doesn't mean it's automatically accepted, though- that's why we have plans and voting. It's not completely out of the blue, either; we've acted on YOUTH before, and it had good results then as well.
Oi, don't talk about best apprentice like that! And Keiko is smart, Mari probably is, and you don't get to be a seal master by being stupid so Kagome is probably quite smart as well.