I dislike fluffy update, at least fluffy update with no plot progression. It make the story progresses even slower. It's also why I dislike interludes for the same reason.
Still, this is written for free, so I can't exactly complain.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
I dislike fluffy update, at least fluffy update with no plot progression. It make the story progresses even slower. It's also why I dislike interludes for the same reason.
Still, this is written for free, so I can't exactly complain.
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I think a quest that doesn't emphasize participant interaction is a wasted opportunity. If the QMs just co-authored MfD as a standard fiction I would read and probably enjoy it, but not half as much as I'm enjoying this quest.
EDIT: Both @eaglejarl and @Velorien are putting a lot of extra effort into this quest to make the player interaction work. We should respect that effort and try to participate accordingly.
Yes, but back then we were using youth to pursue our goals and make things happen. Not to mention we took into account what else might happen and adjusted for it. This time we are just buying spandex for whatever reason and ignoring everything else that is going on.
Besides, "people just wanted youthful fluff" argument falls kinda flat since Oliwhail's plan already included being youthful in a sensible way that was pretty touching in my opinion:
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EDIT: This idea is no longer endorsed.
The majority of the voters of this quest have proven that they cannot be trusted, so we should probably figure out some way around them, whether that be through having voting done somewhere else that they don't know about, or some other way. Maybe suddenly moving threads unannounced? Have the discussion and voting on a different website from where the story is posted?
Unfortunately, I was asleep the entire time this was happening. I don't make a habit of voting, or of creating plans plans and steering discussion. This was because I trusted the thread to manage these things, and I'm busy enough that I can't really afford to spend a few hours every day reading the thread and creating plans. Generally, things turned out well, and I concluded that I could pop up occasionally, and otherwise mostly just lurk, and things would turn out fine. Apparently I was wrong, and things have been going well basically by accident. Clearly, the voters cannot be trusted not to burn everything down. This time, it didn't really matter. Hopefully, the vote mattering more in the future will prevent this kind of thing from happening again. But, obviously, that can no longer be taken for granted.
How often has this almost happened in the past? I haven't been paying close attention to the vote counts.
Unfortunately, I was asleep the entire time this was happening. I don't make a habit of voting, or of creating plans plans and steering discussion. This was because I trusted the thread to manage these things, and I'm busy enough that I can't really afford to spend a few hours every day reading the thread and creating plans. Generally, things turned out well, and I concluded that I could pop up occasionally, and otherwise mostly just lurk, and things would turn out fine. Apparently I was wrong, and things have been going well basically by accident. Clearly, the voters cannot be trusted not to burn everything down. This time, it didn't really matter. Hopefully, the vote mattering more in the future will prevent this kind of thing from happening again. But, obviously, that can no longer be taken for granted.
How often has this almost happened in the past? I haven't been paying close attention to the vote counts.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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I think that's probably excessive; this is the first time it's ever really happened, and I don't really think that voter suppression is the way to go here.
By my count twice, especially if you count the Hot Spring arc.
As far as my post is concerned, this is what mild frustration looks like. Just irritated enough to state things plainly, instead of shrouding them in euphemisms.
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I think that's probably excessive; this is the first time it's ever really happened, and I don't really think that voter suppression is the way to go here.
You're right, actually. Doing what I suggested would be an overreaction to one instance of this happening. If it happens a few more times, however, then I would wholeheartedly support the idea.
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Compared to all the horrified screaming I usually do...this is actually pretty tame
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Your reaction to someone interfering with something you, presumably, find enjoyable, invites the Staff to interfere further. 25 points and a fortnight long threadban for the both of you under Rule 3, with Rules 2 and 4 as seasoning.
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It is kinda unfair to compare the decisions that got us to Hot Springs (or the stuff that happened there) to what happened here.
I'm not saying that the Hot Springs decisions were necessarily good (a good chunk of them really weren't), but they were made because there were no competitive alternatives and people were trying to provide the best solutions they could for problems that seemed pretty hard at the time.
In the end, Hot Springs related decisions turned out to be really interesting and led to consequences that we can own up to. I don't really see the same potential with our last vote.
EDIT: I remember complaining once that sometimes the quest felt like it was too much on rails. The decision to go to Hot Springs and the stuff that went down there definitely fixed that particular ailment.
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So, to "challenge a staff action outside of the normal appeals process or a complaint in the Management forum" is a violation of Rule 5. Discussion of the necessity of the ban in thread would be a violation of the rules. My first instinct was to explain things in thread, but luckily I thought to check whether that was allowed before I did so. Hopefully, this post will prevent anyone from accidentally breaking the rules.
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That reminds me. Someone should do a postmortem for the Arikada arc so that we can improve our standard operating procedures for the next mission.
It does seems like an awful coincidence that we got jumped by Jiraiya.
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Can we make this more general?
[X] Voting Plan: Anti-Meme Defense
If a joke action plan that does not address any of the major issues facing the team wins, the joke part gets incorporated into the most popular actual plan.
I support this wholeheartedly. It seems to neatly address the problems this round of voting brought up, without doing anything drastic.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Despite my previous resolution to stay out of the thread, I felt I needed to say this:
@MadScientist, I want to apologize for being so uncharitable towards you earlier and for contributing to the gang-up against you. I was frustrated and worried, but I know those are reasons and not excuses, and I'm sorry. Though I'm confused about how you expected supporting the joke plan was going to accomplish what you wanted, I understand that you didn't want to reduce anyone's enjoyment of the quest, and I appreciate how much time and effort you've put into making it a great experience in the past.
@MadScientist, I want to apologize for being so uncharitable towards you earlier and for contributing to the gang-up against you. I was frustrated and worried, but I know those are reasons and not excuses, and I'm sorry. Though I'm confused about how you expected supporting the joke plan was going to accomplish what you wanted, I understand that you didn't want to reduce anyone's enjoyment of the quest, and I appreciate how much time and effort you've put into making it a great experience in the past.
I'm not sure if these kind of responses are a lack of caution or just of imagination, but Team Uplift has been put in a situation where we have a huge opportunity to build up social capital with important individuals in Leaf (four future clan heads and Jiraiya), and some of us have instead elected to set up Hazou for a terrible first impression that is completely out of character and will, whether by sheer aggravation or by risking blowing our cover, risk losing us a lot of goodwill. Our bizarre behavior may well prompt either mind scans (which would potentially be terrible, given that we would expose our sealing ideas, Hidden Heaven plans, and clan secrets including the potential to conceive kids with the Sharingan -- all the things that we freaked the hell out about when Jiraiya was insisting the whole team get scanned, we now risk merrily waltzing into because people couldn't be arsed to put [jk] instead of [x].
Why do you expect this? The only thing Hazou is focusing on right now is getting green spandex suits for Team Uplift - not making friends with Team Asuma, not communicating the Hivemind's issues about Keiko's hurtful behavior while we were capturing Arikada, not working on setting up a space where we would be secure to talk about team composition or rewards, not going and taking care of Akane, not even going out and learning more about Konoha, but instead setting himself on a course to be associated with a group of people who (at least according to Jiraiya's "awful spandex kid" response) are social pariahs.
Yes, when it was part of a considered plan that Mari and Keiko were able to give input on to make sure it wasn't completely bonkers. That's not what we have here.
That's what I thought too.
What have I ever done that would make you think I'd give in to what was, in the context of voting for the quest, basically blackmail -- "cooperate or we derail the story, hard"? What made you think that scene would be "fun" rather than "embarrassing and a painful loss of confidence and good will", given that our main backer in Leaf has openly expressed disdain for the thing you wanted?
Oh, have a bit of confidence in yourself - I'm sure you can manage it if you try hard enough.
I wish I could be this optimistic. Hopefully @Velorien will have mercy and do the combined plan so the only mistake ends up being asking for a weird thing instead of suddenly obsessing over it, but we'll have to see.
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Full disclosure; snarky!Oliwhail freaks me out a bit.
What I think is going to happen is that we are going to take a hit to our social stock both inside and outside the team. It's going to take some work but we'll work it out once we start cracking at the next mission, at the latest we'll make back the lost ground once we hit our next serious combat engagement.
This will smart for a while, but I have faith that it will be just a small road bump in the big picture.
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Jello_Raptor
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Yup, we're not going to die, but we take a hit to our social stock in the one place where we could have the most impact towards our goals.
Clearly having Shikamaru dismiss us as idiots before we present our civilizational instability to the set of future movers and shakers that happens to be standing right in front of us is nothing to worry about at all.
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Then again, words are wind and ninja are judged by their deeds.
I'm hoping for a joint mission with Team Asuma in the future where we would get to redeem ourselves.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
My apologies. Hopefully I'll be less so in the morning.
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