Assume always the worse case, and you will never be disappointed. I am 95% sure that we are still not allowed to infuse stuff on the Seventh Path.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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Something changed in the seal meta?
We got told that Hazopilot no longer believes/is aware of our previous understanding of how seals work, where they ripped carefully controlled holes into the Out to produce various effects.
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Oh. Well that's a big thing. At least a big thing for Hazō to think. Orochimaru seemed to believe that recently (or up until recently) as well, but with so much on the line I'm not sure it's wise to test that belief right now
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It was not a realization Hazo had, it was an OCC thing that happened. Kagome + Hazo believes seals/runes are magic now.
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That makes the ex-ending of chapter 159 doubly non-canon. Huh.
Any word on this yet? I'm trying to do notes expenditures before too many updates have passed. Pinging also @Velorien @Paperclipped.
Also, did the kids unstagnate? Unrelated, but the suspense is killing me.
Okay, no SC usage interfering with notes on day 1, so 21 blocks. On day 2, Hazou did 4 prep days assuming he does one on Prime for efficiency, he gets 7 blocks on notes. For 28 total.
Recall that he can spend at most 4 blocks on one set of notes per day, and finally that his 0.8x stagnancy modifier applies to his note reading.
4 blocks applied, at 3.2 XP per block. 12.8 XP banked. Set completed. 17 blocks from day 1 remaining. 7 blocks from day 2 remaining.
Orochimaru's TH notes #1: S: 0, B: 200, R: 0
5 blocks applied at 3.2 XP per block. 16 XP banked, Set completed. 13 blocks from Day 1 remaining. 6 blocks from day 2 remaining.
Orochimaru's TH notes #2: S: S: 0, B: 200, R: 0
8 blocks applied at 2.4XP per block. 19.2 XP banked. 9 blocks from day 1 remaining, 2 blocks from day 2 remaining.
Orochimaru's TH notes #3: S: 0, B: 98.4, R: 51.6
6 training blocks applied at 2.4XP per block. 14.4 XP banked. 5 blocks from day 1 remaining.
Orochimaru's TH notes #4: S: 0, B: 33.6 R: 116.4
4 training blocks applied at 1.6XP per block. 6.4XP banked. 1 block remaining from day 1.
Orochimaru's TH notes #5: S: 0, B: 16, R: 84
1 training blocks applied at 1.6XP. 1.6 XP banked. No blocks remaining.
Orochimaru's TH notes #6: S: 0, B: 1.6, R: 98.4
Emstar
The Shining One
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Okay so just to clarify, this isn't a direct response to you Oneiros, but I'm going to pivot off of this since I just kind of have to get this one out.
I think the buff is fine. It is a good shiny if you just hand it to someone mechanically and go "Yeah you get this for a week for exploring this cave. Good job!". I don't feel like it is all that bad in a vacuum.
- Implicit: we dont exist in a vacuum, if the juice isn't worth the squeeze while we're on the clock its going to kind of feel bad.
- I am eyeballing characters in story hyping it up a bit by proxy. I don't like it when the narrative is ultra hype about something and then it kind of turns out to be merely okay or lackluster. From one perspective, this is bad because it is making the signal-to-noise ratio worse, in a setting and format where the signal-to-noise ratio is already such that I cant really tell anymore when characters are just having a moment, when they actually know what they're talking about and should be trusted (but in the same vein as a knowledgeable person who is fallible giving me information), or if they're being used by proxy as a QM mouthpiece to tell me (the player or reader) stuff. This is a consistent problem. I do not want the signal-to-noise ratio to get worse, I want it to get better! I like having characters around in these scenes and having their perspectives have significant and unique weight to them, instead of it just being some wiffle-waffle pseudo-information chatter stuff.
- The discontent is not about the cave buff being mediocre IMO. A large part AFAICT is built up from Noburi acting in a way that feels both oddly adversarial and strange. There is a general lack of anything that feels like engagement with the primary goal of us being here which boils down to "Okay, we have run into an Interesting Thing. Let us figure out if this gives us insight into this setting, ideally in a way that can be weaponized to better accomplish or otherwise supplement our Main Story Quest at the moment, which is murdering these 6 OP bastards.". That is why we're here and half the time we try to get the ball rolling on that it feels like we're talking to a wall.
- I think we spent a lot of time in between rendezvousing with the team and the current chapter before recently getting some instrumentally-important stuff clarified. If someone got back to us with "Okay you're going to have to spend a few days IC powerleveling your medical skill with Noburi, can you vote that in or explicitly mention doing that in the plan while the rest of the squad spends some time tracking this place down? Its gonna take some time since Oro gave you mediocre directions and you've never been to this part of the setting before." we would've just gone "Alright sounds good, lets plan on doing that since we expect to have to have some of this skillset to do the thing, which is why we're voting in this training plan."
- I think we spent a lot of time in between rendezvousing with the team and the current chapter before getting some stuff clarified. Part of the reason that we're here is that we wanted to get some combat in so that we could unstagnate the squad for whoever needed it, or proactively in some cases. The last time we tried to do this, we basically ported over to the 7th Path real quick and went "Cannai I would like one combat with some dogs please" and this prompted a QM response to the flavor of "Fair shake entirely but can you guys maybe engage with some of the kajillion other hanging threads you have the next time you need to do this? As a reminder : [Insert list of hanging threads which include this cave]". And like, well, we tried to do exactly that. My thought process throughout this was basically "Ah okay, well, it seems like spoons are a bit low, but it feels like we've walked into a place that has a Dungeon-y vibe to it, so maybe there's some encounters here. Lets engage with that since this seems like the kind of thing where the QMs sat down and sketched out some stuff, since we're trying to unstagnate and/or acquire research mats anyway." There were 1-2 combat encounters, but not enough apparently to meaningfully unstagnate us despite it being kind of hecking dangerous, and I'm just kind of left confused on how to engage with this mechanic now. I'm trying to do interesting stuff and we're actively doing some interesting stuff. Can I get like a bone tossed out on that front insofar as the Mechanic That Forces You To Do Interesting Stuff is concerned, at the very least? I don't feel like that is a titanically large ask when on our end we've been trying to honestly engage with this. If that parses as salt then IDK what to say lol.
But like, look, I think the cave water buff is a nice shiny thing! They're good buffs ma'am!
Its cool, I like it, its cool that its here. But can I engage with the fact that it is here in some meaningful way, or engage with the fact that there are some soul-eating monsters from the netherworld here in some meaningful way? I feel like our attempts to do that honestly just get met with "No, stop that, this was not meant to be engaged with, stop trying to get more cool stuff!", and its like, alright, well, that's not really fun to experience lol.
And to be clear, I'm not salty, I'm not bitching, I'm not complaining or whining about this, I'm really, really not. I am just watching a bunch of people in this thread or on Discord or whatever have a pretty mediocre time of it despite trying really hard to do fun stuff that would make for good story and good gameplay, and pointing at some elements of the situation that I think are driving factors for that, and in some of those places going "Okay but here's a few tiny things that I actually do think would make the difference."
I get that spoons are low and people have different opinions and perspectives and all. That's fine. Feel free to toss this in the bin if you just don't want to engage with my dumb 1100 word essay here for whatever reason.
But please do not take this dumb 1100 word essay and boil it down to "Ah she is salty and this is a complaint" or whatever. If I wanted to be a salty bitch about this I could have just said "Ah yes, a very mid outcome indeed. Back to Forever-lighthousing!"[1] and left it at that and saved myself a thousand words and an hour of time this morning.
[1] Also my fellow players, look, y'all need to internalize that this feels like fucking shit sometimes from the other side of things, even when people realize that you're joking. Chill the fuck out a bit lol.
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@Sir Stompy Rune idea.
Force Sphere
Like the Force Dome but offers 360 degree protection. Goes through the ground.
Force Sphere
Like the Force Dome but offers 360 degree protection. Goes through the ground.
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We need eyes on them consistently in case someone wakes up with enough chakra regenerated to do something untoward. Noburi can, with total certainty, drain a baseline ninja and knock them out for a few hours. We don't know how a ninja might respond to repeated drain/unconsciousness.
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If they're anything like LotRoL's Kakashi, they might get a nifty Stunt out of it
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Thank you for this long effortpost and for making a real effort to be nice about it. I'm focused on the update right now but wanted to respond to one thing:
I am extremely confused by this. Noburi has been doing research, a lot of it, and I must have missed the part where he's being adversarial -- sure, he tweaks Hazō and yes, he's Having Some Feelings right now but to me it seems like he's been dealing with them. Can you point me to what you're talking about? If what you meant is "he hasn't had implementable results in the few days we've been here", that's a different thing.
Examples of research happening, to make the point, emphasis added:
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@MMKII I agree with you, of course, but I think you're being hasty complaining about the unstagnation. AFAIK we haven't been told that there was no unstagnation, right ? Just that there was no unstagnation partway through the fights.
But yes, I obviously expect this to unstagnate. We were quite clearly pointed at this place when we discussed unstagnating...
But yes, I obviously expect this to unstagnate. We were quite clearly pointed at this place when we discussed unstagnating...
There is considerable discussion amongst the QMs about it or this wouldn't still be unknown. I expect they're split about it and waiting for a consensus to announce the results. Or they just haven't had time to sit down and talk about it.
I do think we should unstagnate from the fighting. Yuno was Severely injured, so this was demonstrably dangerous to people far out of our skill envelope. Our builds just by happy coincidence happened to be good at resisting the chakravores.
The magmaspines were perfectly capable of hitting the team members and Hazou's armor jutsu meant just he wasn't hurt, but if they're getting hits on him that means they're a threat to him. And there were 22 of the fucking things.
I really think there isn't much of a case to be made that he wasn't in danger from the encounter. If he had rolled poorly and been drained to unconciousness in the beginning section of the fight he could have died easily.
But that doesn't mean the QMs agree with me
Emstar
The Shining One
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Yeah that's fair, I think I have more to say on that from my perspective that might be helpful but it would take some time to figure out how to translate it from brain to fingers to text and I'm a bit swamped for the next few days. I'll try to clarify later this week. Thanks for the response, I really appreciate it. Excited to see the update :3
I'm just trying to communicate what I perceive as a bit of a perspectives disconnect as best as I can do so, since I think it would be beneficial (in some way or another) to everyone involved if I were able to successfully do that. The unstag thing came up in discussion, and like a few of the other points I listed I'm just trying to take some of that discontent, wash off a bit of the salt, file away some of the spikey-and-unhelpful edges, and present what I think are some components that people seem to think are either a bit unfair or otherwise find particularly unrewarding.
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I think some of this is related to a previous perception (accurate or otherwise) that Noburi doesn't or didn't do a lot of medical research and some of it is related to a lack of understanding (at least on my part) for what medical research can and cannot accomplish.
To the first: is it a largely true statement that Noburi has largely focused on the practical elements of medicine, e.g. healing people? Not having a shift away from this clearly demarcated hurts intelligibility, or at least doesn't help.
To the second, how does medical research work, mechanically? What are the end products? When you research a seal, you get a new seal. When you hack a justu, you get a new jutsu or a hacked justu. When you do medical research, do you gain...knowledge? Presumably you don't gain new jutsu. Do you gain the ability to heal people differently or better? (How? Again, you - presumably - aren't learning new jutsu, and my understanding is that any chakra manipulation would be classified as a jutsu.) Stunts? Knowing what the result is likely to be and what the process looks like (for seals you go do math and dance and draw stuff and try to put seal elements together and consider eldritch monstrosities, for jutsu you mediate and try to pull apart an existing jutsu and figure out how to modify it) would again help intelligibility IMO.
Presumably, how the jutsu pulls chakra from the caster. What causes it to be so lethal etc.
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Noburi then went on to learn the Akamichi Chakra Enhancement technique, which increased the size of his internal reserves. With two copies of the stunt I think he's up to 3 internal chakra. His present medical research is to determine if this is sufficient or not, since we don't know for sure and trying it blind could be lethal.
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I understand that. I just don't understand why he's studying clones several hours after their creation if his research question is about that specific moment.
Presumably he's tracking chakra flows to determine if he can do it for real. He's got MS8 and Kabuto didn't
I think this is probably a bad idea? The Force Dome presumably has some thickness, so when this deactivates, everything inside is going to suddenly fall by about that thickness. Even if it's only a centimetre or so, that's a lot of energy when what's falling is a 500-metre-radius hemisphere of dirt and rock. (Unless you mean a version of Force Dome that just overlaps with matter instead of displacing it, in which case this doesn't apply but it might be more difficult to research.)