Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
In the event of a tie, the QM writes what they want. Most often (~95% of the time) this means they pick whichever plan they like more, but it has also happened that the QMs have merged both plans (2% of the time), or written an entirely separate thing (3% of the time).
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Paperclipped
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Does the Kagome Sensor Seal, the Minato Sensor Seal, or the Jiraiya Seal that turns chakra visible, provide a buff to THing? Since it would boost Hazou's ability to see what he's doing with chakra while Hacking it?
Additionally, Hazou noted that it was far easier to slip into THing trance while in/under the effects of the Cave Water. Does this mean that the cave applies a THing bonus?
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Does the Kagome Sensor Seal, the Minato Sensor Seal, or the Jiraiya Seal that turns chakra visible, provide a buff to THing? Since it would boost Hazou's ability to see what he's doing with chakra while Hacking it?
Additionally, Hazou noted that it was far easier to slip into THing trance while in/under the effects of the Cave Water. Does this mean that the cave applies a THing bonus?
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- He/Him
We can just vote it in next chapter
(to be clear I endorse the whole 'let won plans stay won' spiel, but I don't think in this case that looping the others in was the specific concern WRT the split voting.)
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
If memory serves, if we devour all of the notes we still end up a couple months away from reaching TH 40, which doesn't sound all that bad except for how it's coming out of the general XP fund used for pumping Runemastery higher. And then unlocking the stunt would take another hundred XP or two, not as expensive but still non-trivial. And then we'd need to level Minatosealing itself, since as we've seen even the powerful sealing disciplines aren't so hot at genin-level.
Personally, I don't have much hope of doing anything meaningful with Minatosealing in the span of this mission. We're not all that far away from hitting our Runemastery softcap, and after that point we might start moving towards TH 40, but odds are the mission will be over before MS starts paying out. It'll pay out good when it does, I'm still super hyped for it, it's just something for the next chapter of our story.
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- She/Her/They/Them
Something very normal happens
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- Book Fort
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- They/Them
Hm. Well, he would hit stangancy issues pretty quickly, meaning his daily XP rate would decrease. This would cause his reading speed to slow down, too --although having all his Shadow Clones read would mitigate this a little bit.*
And this is assuming Hazou has the pyramid space to launch THing straight to level 40 (I can't recall if he does, or not). Then you have to factor in that the Technique Hacking Notes "only" have enough XP within them to bring Hazou's THing Stat from level 10 to level 33. So he'd need to manually level it from 33 to 40.
All in all, I'd say that it's... theoretically possible, if we hyper-focused on that and nothing else, and also had a way to quickly unstagnate our Domains. But that it would be by a close enough margin that I'd be leery.
Because even if we unlock the prerequisite stats for Minatosealing, we'd still have to actually buy the Minatosealing Stunt, which is probably around 250xp (assuming it costs the same as the other research stunts we've bought).
*Notes XP is based on your daily XP accrual, so if your daily rate goes down due to stagnation, it will reduce the amount of Notes XP you get per day, too. Having several Shadow Clones reading means that, even if your rate is 0.1xp per day, you'd still be getting ((0.1*(Number of Clones)) Notes XP.
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Following up IV with the actual numbers, TH notes get him 1,000 XP of levels, getting to level 33 TH is 1012 XP. So basically when you factor notes, getting all the way to level 40 is an extra 530 XP. The stunt itself is then another 125 XP, for a total of 655 XP.
As of now the current plan is to buy:
- Mednin 10 for 55 xp
- PS ~32, which will cost another 636 XP
- CR 33, which will cost 192 XP (for Cannai summoning)
- Ath/TJ 49, which will cost 405 XP + 522 XP
- then TH and MS. MS will then probably need to be raised to 32 like PS will be to softcap.
So 1810 XP before we even start buying into Minatosealing.
If we can't unstagnate and FOOM this is just absolutely not happening for the next couple years IRL and in-game lol
Even if we do manage to stay unstagnated and FOOMing, it will not happen within 3 months. More like 5 or 6 months. So if we do have that long for our mission then we'll have it before the Akatsuki showdown. If we have less time than that, probably just going to be runes.
- Without FOOM and stagnated to 0.3x, we generate about 45 XP a month🗿
- Without FOOM and unstagnated, we generate about 150 XP a month
- With what seems to be our currently allotted amount of chakra for FOOM being a bonus 1.0x ish, we instead would generate roughly 90 or 300 XP per month in those scenarios. So yeah like 6 months to start buying up for MS in the most optimistic scenarios.
We currently do not have any seemingly feasible ideas for getting back to max FOOMing or a way to determine how much time we have left until the rift gets open. We came to this cave expecting the water to cut FOOM costs but it doesn't even save a single training block so we're back to square one even if we replicate the effects, which currently we can't do at all. We can't ask the Toad Sages if they're interested or willing to examine stuff like the capacitor for nature chakra now because they're pissed off again so there's no way to safely check if Noburi can drain our inventions. So probably we're just going to buy PS and that's it...
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- Washington, USA
In the geometric sense, yes.
I'm not so sure about that. Chakra capacitor is the sort of unprecedented wonder they might be interested in studying for its own sake, while all we'd be asking in return is a quick go / no-go on "risk it'll get the Toad Summoner killed if he tries to tap it," which is info it's clearly also in their own clan's interests for us to know, and plausibly urgent besides.
Hmm. A thought occurs to me.
The plans this cycle talked about contacting Oro for an update on Leaf. If we're willing to do that, is there any reason we couldn't ask him for some chakra-generating monster to solve our chakra problems? We could even repay him by offering Noburi's services to top him off, which as far as we know he can't do by himself (though he may have kidnapped another Wakahisa by now to get around this issue). It's a mutually beneficial exchange; we have the ability to transfer chakra but not enough chakra, he has huge amounts of chakra available that he can't transfer to himself. It's an exposure risk, of course, but if anyone can beat Akatsuki's Deceit it's going to be Oro, and he's probably not going to be talking much to them besides.
The obvious failure mode is that you can't transport other living creatures to the Seventh Path (I think?), which - unless Oro has some way around this, like making it technically part of himself for the transfer or technically not actually alive for a bit - means he would have to either make it on the Seventh Path (which requires infusing bioseals there, which is against the rules if probably not actually that dangerous as a one-off) or physically get it to us on the Human Path (which is a much bigger exposure risk). Still, even the last option might be manageable, and if we're seeing Oro anyway I think it might be worth bringing up with him. We should sanity check it, but probably the worst thing that happens is he aura-blasts us a bit, and as long as he doesn't inflict a Severe that's not a huge deal.
Edit: Just realized the plans were talking about seeing Oro in three months or so, which is far too late for solving our chakra problems. Still, we could try talking to him anyway, though this soon it might be perceived as running back with our tails between our legs after being underprepared; then again, if we mention we went to the cave he told us about but it turned out not to be enough to solve our chakra problems, he might accept that as a better reason.
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- United States
Yeah, but it would have been great to have in the mood-lifting speech.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- He/Him
EJ said that we would have been upset with the outcome of the fight if we'd taken a dip beforehand. This would also provide a reason for the vores to have congregated: if your prey is weaker in an area, it makes sense that you'd spend your time there.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
The main reason why contacting Oro might go well here is that we're not asking much from him. In fact, from a certain point of view, we're offering him something instead: the ability to call us into the fight when we finally need to fight the Akatsuki. We want to help, we want to be on-call, we want to be a usable resource that can show up in the right place at the right time to help defeat Akatsuki, and in that sense Oro should have little problem understanding that our interests overlap and that we're seeking something of mutual gain.
It's not a guarantee that things go well, other things could go wrong, but we're definitely approaching things with a favourable narrative. This doesn't hold true as much if we start asking for things: remember that ninja culture in general is not keen on that mutual-empowerment thing and Orochimaru is antisocial even by those standards. It would also change things from "Orochimaru has a line of contact to Team Uplift" to "Orochimaru is actively collaborating with Team Uplift", which might not make a difference but could plausibly end up a problem for him, etc etc.
The main thing (arguably the only thing) I want to get across to Orochimaru is that when the day of the battle approaches he can leave a message with Kumokogo and we'll show up. I don't want to know what decision-theoretic tortures the Akatsuki may or may not have been inflicting on our people in Leaf, I don't want to start working with him, I just want someone who can tell us when to show up, who can keep a secret and would want us to show up, and Oro fits the bill.
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- Texas
It's called kidnapping. All the cool ninja are doing it.
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Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
"I'm easily distracted lol"
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- He/Him
Doing this almost certainly requires killing them afterwards if we care about staying unnoticed. Among other logistical issues like keeping them prisoner, keeping them fed and etc. Depends on how long we stay in one place too. And we have to capture them in the first place...
I expect the team to have many ethical concerns with doing this. Not that I have any particular problem with it, personally
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- Texas
Simply choose acceptable targets, like Jashinists. Bonus upside that it gives Mari genjutsu practice targets.
Noburi can safely knock someone out for 24hours via chakra drain. Just drain them every 12 hours and we're good.
Keeping them fed and ect isn't the most fun, but he's worked his way up the hospital under Tsunade, it's nothing new to him.
Jashinist Temple is a top contender.
~no ethical issues, sweet lore, test Mari's Genjutsu against Jashin bullshit.
Pirate Lords are also in the cards.
repetitively few ethical issues, get to fight Pirates(!), a boat is a great way to stay moving while transporting a ton of unconscious prisoners, so this is a surprisingly great long-term strategy.
Plus, Kagome can probably make a portable version of the SCSA that takes a snapshot of sea and empty sky, giving pretty good camouflage.
The only issue is that uplift isn't great at boats.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Recent events have led me to believe that if we set ourselves upon this goal we will spend another in-universe month not doing research as we attempt to achieve it and by the end of it we'll have gained one genin captive or something. Count me out.
Leaving aside that they will absolutely die of bedsores. We're moving around a lot, how are we going to move the captives? I doubt we can ninja run while carrying 70kg of dead weight. Even with SCs carrying each captive we're going to be vastly slowed.
This basically. We won't get enough captives to actually replenish our chakra needs. It will take too long and cost us too much time to be worth it.
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- Texas
I wouldn't send Hazo to do it. Have Mari, Kei, and Tenten figure it out. Maybe spare Noburi for VD reasons.
Not A Nurse, but we know this is solvable/mitigable from real-world coma patients. even just turning them regularly would do a ton to help.
And we don't have to haul them across the world or keep them alive forever. spend 1-2 days taking a Jashinist temple, then camp there for a month or so, then kill them and relocate to a new location with ninja to get more chakra and our next combat stagnation. that kinda action is risky though, and we couldn't repeat it to many times.
But I'm actually really liking the Pirate/Boat idea. it seems like a great way to dodge attention and keep moving, while transporting a score of coma-patients.
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- United States
Agreed.
It's time to start working on Force Dome and Superchillers.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
I agree that we can try to keep Hazou from getting dragged into the mission. I'm considerably less confident that we can succeed. Hazoupilot would 100% throw his research cycle to the side if his family's in danger, and that's just off the top of my head. This is a complicated mission and we should expect complications and I fundamentally do not want any more complications.
(Also, aren't the Jashinists all up in like Demon and other Eastern Continent lands? We'd have to travel across the entire continent to get there, that's like weeks of travel no matter how the mission goes.)
I see your point. That said, I'm not sure Oro collaborating with us really adds that much to his risk, given that Oro is already working on rift runes and we know that (so if the Akatsuki interrogate us they'll want him dead regardless) and Naruto knows we're not really missing (it's hard to see how anyone in Leaf but Naruto would find out about Oro contacting us, and I don't expect Oro to tell Naruto unless he asks, which hopefully he'll have the good sense not to do). Plus, Oro has been open to trades like this in the past; I think there's a decent chance he'd be open to this one, at least as long as we do thinking about it beforehand and come in with proposed solutions to the obvious issues. My impression of him is that he mainly doesn't do this stuff because he doesn't want to bother with the conversation required, and if we do as much of the work for him as we can he may be more open to it.
Then again, seeing the conversation about kidnapping ninja, it might be that Oro will say "just do that" and be annoyed at us for asking him for help. If we can do it without interrupting Hazō's research, it might even be a good idea.
Caveat - a reminder that we'd prefer not to deploy Superchillers, if we can, and also that if Kei discovers that we're researching them and didn't tell her she will blow up at us. This is not to say that we shouldn't do it, but we should probably at least get Remote Explosion done first to see how effective it is.