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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Question, if I may:
Has anyone proposed/tried doing Stargate/portal runes? It seems like something that should be possible given sealing/rune system strengths (fixed in place, rifts do similar, already messing with Space/Time) and could be used for a lot of different things.

More generally, how do you think we could capitalize on some sort of rune that enhances strategic mobility (portal rune, long range substitution rune, etc)? Would it be feasible to defeat the A team in detail?
 
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eaglejarl said:
The Claws are too sharp, Hazō thought. They don't tear the wounds open the way a kunai would.
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As a possible further upgrade to Force Claws, how about tweaking the force wall so that, rather than feeling perfectly flat and solid and inert from the sides, it's only thin near the edges, then becomes thicker and "springier" in the middle? Not actually flexing in response to pressure, just having the field of force taper off more gradually so that it noticeably repels things a few millimeters away from the nominal surface, thus separating material it cuts through.
 
Velorien said:
Any ninja can create a scroll of a technique they know, assuming they have levelled it to at least 20 (though this requirement does not apply to ninjutsu-as-stunts). Technique hackers can create scrolls of a technique they invented at level 10, representing the fact that, unlike an ordinary user, they know exactly which parts are important and why, without any of the errors, superstitions, etc. that creep in when ninjutsu are taught ordinarily through a mostly-oral tradition. Technique hackers receive no bonus with other ninjutsu, since the ability to use the technique and the ability to give clear instructions are unconnected to Technique Hacking; the former is represented by the technique level, while the latter is determined by characterisation (by analogy, it does not take a programmer to explain how to use a program to the end user, nor does programming skill translate into teaching skill).
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@Velorien, @@eaglejarl, @Paperclipped

Pardon the ping, but would it be possible to get this copied/pasted into the rules doc and also the THing Rules informational post? Just for ease of reference?
 
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    • [X] Interlude: SQUONK.

    We shall have our Squonks back, one day.

    Also, since the winning item is not an action plan, it's not in contradiction with the Murdering of Leopard plan right?
     
    Nebulus said:
    Also, since the winning item is not an action plan, it's not in contradiction with the Murdering of Leopard plan right?
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    Oh you don't have to title them [x] Action Plan: Kill Them All, I just do that for clarity. Voting [x] Kill Them All is equally as valid as long as there's an action plan in the post itself.

    If there's not, Vel would decide what that vote meant. If history is anything to go by it would not be pleasant to read
     
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    Sir Stompy said:
    Oh you don't have to title them [x] Action Plan: Kill Them All, I just fo that for clarity. Voting [x] Kill Them All is equally as valid as long as there's an action plan in the post itself.

    If there's not, Vel would decide what that vote meant. If history is anything to go by it would not be pleasant to read
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    Got it, thanks for the clarification!

    Ignores the part of his mind that wants to set Velorien free
     
    FaintlySorcerous said:
    Please ping me to vote for plans which interpret the spirit of Cannai's orders as 'kill any Leopard combatants you encounter except insofar as I have explicitly instructed you otherwise'.

    Dog noncombatants who posed no threat to Leopard have been killed in raids. Cannai's attempts at diplomacy have been rejected. Our opponents are allied with genocidal fascists despite the fact that an alliance with the other side was offered and viable. Carrying out Cannai's orders is an explicit attempt to force the other party to the negotiating table as opposed to brutal violence.

    Interpreting Cannai's orders is well above our pay grade and could potentially sabotage broader attempts at diplomacy and a peaceful resolution.
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    We should also be killing noncombatants (the ones that aren't kids), per his orders. If he wanted us to seek out military targets he would have sent out a stronger squad. Plus, he was pretty clear on this being punitive murder.

    We're doing morale bombings, not strategic bombings.
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    "A punitive raid against the Leopards. Cross the border, murder twelve of them, urinate on the corpses, and leave them to rot in the sun. Do not kill cubs. Leave one parent alive if you can do so without losing your own people."
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    _The_Bomb said:
    We should also be killing noncombatants (the ones that aren't kids), per his orders. If he wanted us to seek out military targets he would have sent out a stronger squad. Plus, he was pretty clear on this being punitive murder.

    We're doing morale bombings, not strategic bombings.
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    The extent to which there are Leopards who are not warriors is unclear, it being a society of solitary or pair-bonded predators. OTOH jounin-level Face-Nomming and combat ninjutsu aren't really necessary to hunt deer when you can also turn invisible.

    Plus I wouldn't call this a morale bombing, more like a.....raid. To get the Leopard Boss's attention.
     
    Sir Stompy said:
    The extent to which there are Leopards who are not warriors is unclear, it being a society of solitary or pair-bonded predators. OTOH jounin-level Face-Nomming and combat ninjutsu aren't really necessary to hunt deer when you can also turn invisible.
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    It's possible that there are truly no noncombatants that aren't children (though I doubt it given what we know of Dog's population and the context of our squad composition) but if it ends up not being the case using that wording in a plan will represent a massive departure from Cannai's intentions.
     
    _The_Bomb said:
    It's possible that there are truly no noncombatants that aren't children (though I doubt it given what we know of Dog's population and the context of our squad composition) but if it ends up not being the case using that wording in a plan will represent a massive departure from Cannai's intentions.
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    Yeah I could easily see it going either way. Dog seeks like a much more functional society where things like being a Stay-At-Home-(Dog)Mom are encouraged.

    Rather than a post-apocalyptic wasteland full of full-time psychotic murderers. Which are the vibes I'm getting from the Leopards so far, "foreign meat"? Bro what.
     
    Sir Stompy said:
    Rather than a post-apocalyptic wasteland full of full-time psychotic murderers. Which are the vibes I'm getting from the Leopards so far, "foreign meat"? Bro what.
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    Seems a rather tame way to call someone a foreigner from a hypercarnivore to me.

    Should have called us "spineless", insulting our manhood due to lack of spines.
     
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    i am picturing solitary leopard society as transitioning from anarchy into a state. no army. formation of raider gangs is just beginning. whereas previously it was whichever individuals are stronger taking what they want from weaker individuals.

    edit: worried whether the torture will psychologically traumatize hazou. we could gain TYS, but i think the practical disadvantages of trauma outweigh that. although i guess the forged in fire fixes that. a normal ninja would have what's called a bad case of jonin from trauma. but for hazou he instead becomes further inspired to do good. has it been confirmed that's what forged in fire narratively does?
     
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    Sir Stompy said:
    Penile spines? :HazouLook
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    Yes.

    eaglejarl said:
    Stealth, powerful combatants, great at night. Huge territory in the middle of the continent. They call themselves the 'Feline' Clan, but only call them that to their face. Everyone else calls them Cats. The Leopards broke off a few generations ago, apparently over some weird ideology thing that I never really understood, but all other cats are here. Total jackasses. Loners, work poorly or not at all in groups, think they're above everyone to a degree that makes the pangolins look cuddly. Vicious. Vaguely psychopathic. Fuck 'em.
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    If we want to judge the Leopards better we should (have) asked more questions about their split. The lions work in packs, the jaguar and tiger are more loners and we have seen the lynx work together (Chapter 410).

    If Hyohakken just wants to modernize his people then ally with Dog/Hazou (the Human that should be at the center of the 7th Path continental trading network) and Rats (who border them) would really be better. (edit: ok, there is a "mountain range", but we could help digging tunnels, so my point stands)

    So what is this agression really about? Supremacy?

    Velorien said:
    they demand a return of certain ancestral lands unlawfully occupied by the Hyena Clan for generations.
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    (Source: Kei)

    Something something more propaganda from Pangolin? Something something Feline/Hyenas conflict?

    Something something GM's need more aspirin, caffeine and temporal shenanigans to develope a thousand years of map changes and cultural changes.
     
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    @eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

    Now that Hazou has experimented with past-blue HOWs, is he willing to reconsider his experiences with infrared HOWS? He knows that shining a strong light on things makes them heat up - the Sun does this. Maybe it's a special property of under-red that it's good at heating stuff up?

    Namely, since he knows that Light Relay can detect light beyond what's visible, is he willing to set up a Light Relay tuned to recieve below-red and output a visible color to test if HOWS is making under-red rather than failing?

    IMO he has the puzzle pieces here and this isn't that metagamey of a thought chain.
     
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    Sir Stompy said:
    I think they're more like Romania when Nazi Germany was conquering Europe.

    It's join or be exterminated, also it's an excuse to act like the complete assholes you always wanted to be.
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    Sure.

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    "Yes," Cannai said. "And they understand their possession of former Hyena territory is bought by their alliance with the Pangolins, an alliance that few others would make out of distaste for the Pangolins' methods. You can understand that they may wish to avoid other clans bonding with the Pangolins, which would then dilute their influence further. And, of course, they certainly do not want to see Dog ally with the Pangolins as the Pangolins ditch the Leopards for no longer being useful through whatever Pango-metrics that clan uses, for that would leave them surrounded. I doubt you will see Hornets at the Conclave for the same reason."
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    Paperclipped said:
    Leopard -- Stopping the crushing of Hyena, preventing the Leopards from getting rich on colonial spoils.
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    I guess we have to wait and see if military actions change some minds.
     
    Velorien said:
    they demand a return of certain ancestral lands unlawfully occupied by the Hyena Clan for generations
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    If I ignore the ancestral component since I don't know if they actually care about that. Is getting land even a reward? with how solitary leopards are I imagine there is no diplomat corps. the pangolin/leopard negotiations being all done by leopard boss herself. As a clan boss whatever land within the already existing leopard territory she wants to use she gets. So more land doesn't help that. It does help the other leopards get more space. Which suggests that leopards despite being solitary and dislike socialization still care about each other. But if they care about each other why don't they care about the hyenas? If they are actually anarchy, there is not a national identity for ingroup outgroup. Maybe just speciesm, liking the people who look more similar to you and have similar biological psychologies
     
    Well there is this Leopard at the Conclave:

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    "You know we don't like you," Hyōkere said, her voice a low growl. None of the other Leopards were crouching, ready to pounce, but they watched him intensely as they stalked back and forth.
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    "The Dragons," Hyōkere said.

    "The Dragons," Noburi agreed.
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    Then there is this one, Hyogin:
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    Sure enough, the ambassadors of the Otter, Leopard, and Toad clans arrived at the tub moments later. Lute slipped into the water without a splash in the manner of his people, then proceeded to float on his back with a bowl of nuts balanced on his chest. Hyōgin sat on the edge and dipped one claw in. She moaned in delight at the temperature and slid into the water.

    "I don't know how you people stand the cold around here," she said, submerging herself up to the neck. Her pink fur turned darker when it was wet, causing her spots to blend in more. "This water is delightful. Thank you, Pangola. Your people have been super on top of things."
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    (Pink fur Leopard? Maybe dyed? Pink Panther reference? Cute)

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    Dozens of Seventh Path denizens were in the room, watching the immediate aftermath of Team Uplift's entrance. Monkeys, Turtles, Porcupines, Otters, Rats, Leopards… they would all see what happened next.
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    And a few others, maybe just military escorts.

    The Leopards might not be good at diplomacy (who knows), but they can be civil if it's necessary.

    (Pink fur?)

    edit: Both are female and I think all the combatants were described as male. Obviously, Hyōhakken has a Harem of female super generals.

    edit2: Oh heay, it's real, pink.
     
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    roobee said:
    edit: worried whether the torture will psychologically traumatize hazou. we could gain TYS, but i think the practical disadvantages of trauma outweigh that. although i guess the forged in fire fixes that. a normal ninja would have what's called a bad case of jonin from trauma. but for hazou he instead becomes further inspired to do good. has it been confirmed that's what forged in fire narratively does?
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    Hazō has a strong support system and people he can open up to about possible trauma he might incur. I'm confident he'd recover and emerge from the experience stronger.

    I see this as an opportunity to make Hazōpilot more reliable for the players. It's been a worry in the past that Hazōpilot would refuse to do the content in the plan. This is how we gradually change Hazō's characterization to be more capable to ruthlessness.

    Btw since eaglejarl said it might be possible to make a rune without runic drag, we could also try making a rune that removes runic drag from other runes. That way the removal of drag doesn't eat into the power budget of normal runes.
     
    Cannai said diplomatic overtures were rejected. We should propose using leopard conclave for diplomacy just in case he didn't think of it/doesn't keep informed of the conclave, the stakes are high enough.

    Cariyaga said:
    Leopards do have a summoner, after all.
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    Wait leopards split from the felines. How do they have the scroll for a summoner? Does a new one pop into existence during splits or do they share a summoner with the felines?

    If a new summoning scroll is made can we get dog to split a bunch so the rest of goketsu get scrolls? Clan bosses losing territory feels viscerally terrible for them though so would be hard to convince cannai. How did leopards convince boss to give up territory when they split?

    Does clan boss home field advantage depend on territory size? If not splitting dog would allow multiple strong clan bosses all along the border.
     
    coldcutconvict said:
    Konan is made of paper. Canon Orochimaru had a minion called Suigetsu with a body made of water. Could ask Orochimaru for leads on chakra beasts or bloodlines to research to counter abio-chakra systems. Suigetsu was from Mist + could also have information useful for countering Samehada, Kisame's sword.
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    The Hozuki are a clan in Mist, like you said. Even Suigetsu was mentioned:
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    There was only one other. To the Mizukage's left, a swordsman grinning like a lunatic, with what looked incongruously like a thousand paper cuts across his chest. Hōzuki… Suigetsu? No, Mangetsu. He couldn't remember why he knew. His past was still a shattered kaleidoscope, and his future a terrifying blank, as if stepping into it would make him fall upwards into the sky.
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    We want to do Mori politics anyway. More frenemies!
     
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