If your worry about clone Demi-god then don't Lord said it's not possible, the same about a clone getting the celestial forge connection it wouldn't work, only Joe brand of cloning potions works that way not Noelles. A lot of Joe enhancements can only stick to the original or through clone potions(again not Noelle brand of cloning), at most some of noelles clones will be at peak or somewhat beyond physical performances(tho depends), with the possibility of said clones connecting to Joe's original shard, which is a mixture of heartbreaker and bonesaw.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
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AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
- Location
- Lawrence, KS
The main problem with Lisa is that her fear of Coil is greater than her respect for, confidence in, or fear of Jozef. This despite her seeing him gain greater divine powers right in front of her face, and the fear she showed as it was happening means she knew at least something was going on. In addition to personally saving her life, he has more than surprised them in every single encounter with much more than they expected. Lisa is showing very poor judgement, but this is actually fairly typical of both the Earth Bet populace in general, and Lisa in particular as shown in Worm canon.
- Location
- That place where I live?
What about the various genetic changes like the zoanthrope gene from bloody roar? I seem to recall Echidna clones having increased aggression, combined with zoanthrope instincts they might be such berserkers that they don't even think to use whatever powers they have, or diverge Joe's secrets.
That was before Lord decided to add bloody roar and Joe got the perk. I'm not certain if something change about certain facts about Noelle's clones.
Daecl
CURSED BY THE DICE
In a world where Myrrdin is viewed with skepticism for even leaning in to the whole magic thing plus all the info Lisa is getting about Mad Scientist Tinkers plus the ever increasing amount of heat Jozef was bringing down, I am not surprised she's doubtful. Worm is a crapsack world for a reason.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
or it's value is on a completely different scale to a normal value, Like imaginary numbers versus real numbers, or X values vs Y values.
- Location
- RS,brasil
This may have removed his alchemy entirely, since he is very technically a chimera, and i read in one of the guides that chimeras can't perform alchemy
yeah that's some scary fucking power, given some of the rare super weapons, the imperium has live beams that convert things into anti-matter and neutron lasers and stuff.
Power generation that can harness cosmic background radiation to propel ships to FTL, planet destroyers, and singularity weapons that can turn suns into black holes
And since I know for a fact that at least one STC exists in Nromunda Joe can possibly pump out more of them
Ill note here that before Necromunda was called that they were called the Araneus continuity, which had massive FTL portals
And that probably includes the quantum annihilator that forces you to occupy the same space as yourself at a quantum level.
Also remember that Apeiron is incapable of making things "bad", they are all excellent or at the very least good
given that Apeiron is supposedly immune to fire as a forge god then yeah pretty bad
given shards are at least Mystery based, I'd say no to being the only thaumaturgic being on earth given there are several active TYPEs running about
And he is technically the oldest phantasmal beast in existence, one that is hundreds of times older than humanity itself.
He could likely project guns and other modern weapons, like imagine him projecting a conversion beamer from 40k, a particle weapon that turns the target into anti-matter.
he isnt limited to sword like shinro or things already madelike gilgamesh, he can literaly invent things out of thin air
and the PRT has to revise his file again as there is now evidence he is miss militia with tinker tech
- Location
- Up on a Hill
I don't think what perks give can be taken away.
- Location
- RS,brasil
The gate can always be given away, it's one of its integral functions.
- Location
- Up on a Hill
One of the integral functions of physics is that if you build a giant robot in 1 second you explode from impossible amounts of friction. Perks just work.
For a more FMA related example, it's impossible to get clap-based alchemy without giving something up to The Truth. But when Joe rolls the last FMA perk he'll receive that ability without any such sacrifice. Perks just trump specific setting rules.
- Pronouns
- He
Actually a really good explanation could be that truth knows how much effort the forge took to connect the constellation (Saving and spending the points for the perk which is one of the most expensive) so Joe already gave something up in exchange for his power so he doesn't need to sacrifice a body part.
The chapter was amazing and the last part was incredible and super clever.
However! The start dragged on for a bit too long, and it was all just to describe the moonbase simulation. I feel like you could've cut that segment in half and still not lose anything of significance from doing so.
And yeah yeah, I know you won't go back and edit it out, Roust, but I think it's still worth mentioning as a reminder to try and avoid going off the rails on super long descriptions and rambling for too long without anything else happening.
Still though, superb work as always!
However! The start dragged on for a bit too long, and it was all just to describe the moonbase simulation. I feel like you could've cut that segment in half and still not lose anything of significance from doing so.
And yeah yeah, I know you won't go back and edit it out, Roust, but I think it's still worth mentioning as a reminder to try and avoid going off the rails on super long descriptions and rambling for too long without anything else happening.
Still though, superb work as always!
hey changing the subject a little, hypothetically Joe can revive a recently dead person for example from a broken neck healing the damage with the nanites and restarting the person's heart with an electric shock? what do you think?
The Shallow
Shallow, Yet Deep
- Location
- Your Universe
- Pronouns
- She/They
Alchemy requires understanding. Much like how an animal can't talk or transmute, neither can most Chimera. There's probably also the mess of the fact that Spirt and Body are combined, meaning even for the human chimeras the animal souls would need to work with them for any alchemy.
This was Chimeric Fission, not Fusion. This simply separated the bodies. I think Tetra was connected to his spirit with her consuming nutrients and stuff, and considering he heard her, their spirits might still be connected. That may have been the trick they used?
Well, that is where you get into Frankenstein: A New Musical territory.
Immortal soul, our inner being
Does it endure or does it perish with the flesh?
But yeah honestly that's the big question. I maintain that there's always the possibility of going full Frankenstein and creating a new soul through making a heart beat.
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- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Thank you, corrected.
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First people were sure Star Trek would tip him off. Then they were sure it would be Gundam. In the end it turned out to be a random Fate perk. Aren't random systems fun?
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Thanks for the art, though I do feel I should point out Chen has a wife (Mei) and daughter (Jun) so there is perhapse less reason to rule 63 him than most characters.So I heard someone ordered a waifu chen?
Sketch Order received. Conceptual force 63 activated.
Delivered(?)
Thanks for the omake.
Thanks for the omake.
Thank you. This is seriously beautiful. I appreciate everything people produce relating to this story, but I never expected to get actual poetry in the thread. Thank you for setting up the next chapter so well.
Thank you. I'll admit to a lack of familiarity with the game, but this looks incredible. Thanks for putting it together.
Thanks for the omake.
I try to roll as close to the wordcount that earned 100 points as possible. Sometimes the point drifts for any number of reasons, either a scene is too involved or edits shift things. Sometimes I need to write for a bit after rolling a perk to find a point where I can have the information come up in story, but the rolls are made as I write the story, and yes, that can be disruptive at times. Honestly it proves entertaining as often as frustrating, so I enjoy the system.
I have a spreadsheet set up that automatically performs both rolls for me (constellation and perk) and provides the random perk or item. I also use it to track the word count when the next roll is due and tally banked points. It also serves as a note space for some elements of the story that have built up over time, and I was using it to track elements of certain abilities for a while before splitting that off to another file.
Joe's transformer body would be based on what his role would have been during that jump. Given the perks he has (Science! and Master Builder) it was probably some kind of research or science vehicle, likely in some kind of support role. Most likely a medium chassis (5m-8m) and in the form of some kind of cybertronian vehicle, though he would have a t-cog that would let him scan other forms.
Unfortunately a Titan body is beyond the possibilities for the jump, so Metroplex is out. Still, Joe might be able to build something on that scale, especially once he gets the Cybertronian Forge.
I'm scaling the King Author perks to the levels seen in the Fate Legends - Garden of Avalon Jump. In that jump Arturia's Dragonheart is a 600 point perk, so the 300 point Dragon Soul perk wouldn't be on that level. Still powerful, but not as overpowered as a complete magical core. For context, here is the 600 point perk:
Dragonheart- 600
When you were but a babe, a mad wizard decided to test out a new spell on you. He infused your body with the blood of a dragon, granting those same abilities in your frail human form. Or not so frail anymore. Your core has become akin to that of a Dragon, immensely enhancing your magical abilities. Your mana will grow immensely as you age, becoming close to equaling that of an adult Dragon by the time you are an adult, and continuing to grow at a slower rate as long as you continue to live. It will replenish at a terrifying rate, refilling from empty in but an hour of time as your inner dragon generates nearly endless amounts within you. This draconic power also grants you a extremely high level of resistance to magic, rendering you immune to spells save from the highest class of magus, such as Merlin himself. However, it does also make you slightly more vulnerable to attacks that have an advantage against dragons, due to your nature.
The King Author perk is limited to "greatly increased aptitude for magic of all kinds" and a certain level of respect from dragons. So no overpowering mana source, no high grade magic resistance, but also no vulnerability to anti-dragon weapons. There is a side benefit in that "magic of all kinds" means it will affect every type of magic Joe is capable of from every jump he has access to. It gets better the more magic systems he can use, so basically trading a great deal of depth for a variable amount of breadth.
I'll admit to having quite a soft spot for Gargoyles, despite having seen it in syndication well after the series was over. Gargoyles really took the concept of magic and technology blending very seriously, and I always liked how it's take on magitech wasn't magical technology, it was technology doing what it was good at and magic doing what it was good at. They complimented each other rather than blending completely. The idea that high level technology could also stand up to serious and ancient magic was also fun to see.
The virtual world in the last chapter was straight out of the RECAP interface from the Legion episode of Gargoyles. Joe hasn't really pushed the limits of that perk yet, with the remote activation of talismans being the most innovative use. Interestingly, the broadcast magic component means that it would technically be possible for him to sell healing over the internet (and deliver said healing by email or video conference).
This whole situation is an extremely distant prospect, but I will point out that the endgame scenarios remove the limit on granting spiral energy, meaning getting caught in that mess would allow Joe to hand out spiral energy to as many people as he wanted (which is really the only way you'd stand a chance against something like that).
From interlude 21 we know Parian has a Atelier. She referrers to it as "Workshop. Studio. Only fancier." so that could just be her being pretentious about it (perfectly understandable for someone working in fashion), or it could mean it counts as the proper definition of an Atelier, which Wikipedia gives as "The private workshop or studio of a professional artist in the fine or decorative arts where a principal master and a number of assistants, students, and apprentices can work together producing fine art or visual art released under the master's name or supervision." This would suggest that she has a staff, employees, and her own brand. At the very least it means she has her own dedicated and professional workspace, which puts her well ahead of most fashion students.
Alchemy is a teachable system, and everything comes bundled with that. Joe could teach alchemy to someone and they would then be free to break taboos and attempt human transmutation, at which point they would meet Truth, without any input from Joe. The existence of Truth independent of the Forge is a consequence of Alchemy existing independent of the Forge.
This was more complicated than any chimera creation from the show. Joe made the analogy of unmixing paint, and that was about right. It was like handing someone a litter of green paint and asking them for a litter of blue paint and a litter of yellow paint in exchange. It was even more complicates than curing a chimera would have been, because it would have required also saving the animal they were fused with, only in this case the animal also had a soul. There were additional problems, like making sure it counted as modification rather than new creation to let Joe keep his body and any powers that might be limited to it, or ensuring that the candle wasn't triggered. All in all it wasn't exactly human transmutation, but it came close, which was why you only got glimpses of things rather than a sit down conversation.
The exact details of what happened will be revealed next chapter, so I'm not going to reveal them just yet. I will say it is a more complicated situation than most people are assuming, and something that was built up to over the course of several sets of duplicates. The last set mostly cam in with everything ready for them to take the last step. Joe dealing with this is going to be as much about the real scope of what he's truly capable of as the implications of the action itself.
Fixer is limited to what could be found within a hive city, if a remarkable old and advanced one. You might get stuff like air cars, skimmers, or even some things like walkers, but they don't host titans (or even knights) inside the Necromunda hive. As Joe remarked, the big things are the defensive fields and teleportation technology as well as the ENTIRE scope of Admech cybernetics that could be found inside the hive over the past 10,000 years.
Not exactly. He basically spotted truth through a car window while driving past. For clap you need to sit down and have a talk (which will also involve a hefty bill at the end, so it generally avoided).
Bit of clarification, Joe's wand is actually unicorn hair, not dragon heartstring. Not to say he couldn't do something with that, but its a different ballpark from dragons.
The breakdown of projections isn't normal decay, it's them being actively destroyed. Perks that just prevent wear, ageing, or decay won't stop it, but perks that increase durability or resistance of an item will make a difference. IN terms of mechanics, the same fiat that allows magecraft to function properly on Earth Bet also causes the same level of rejection you would see in Fate. For instance, Joe has access to mana in the environment around him even though it's not supposed to be there. This is because the Fiat guarantees his magecraft can function, even is the setting in question shouldn't have the mystical resources necessary to sustain it. It's just like the presence of ether for Strike Witches powers.
And yes, Joe can emulate materials. Joe's transmutation is weirdly both better and worse than what you see from Shirou. Joe is a trained magus, meaning he has proper control of his magic circuits and training in his art. It's roughly on the level of a family that specialized in transmutation, just like how Rin's family specialized in Gem magic (and to a similar level of proficiency). He doesn't have the obsessive focus on basic applications that Shirou does, or the benefits of a hyperfocused origin, but he can use it for broader applications. One of the quoted purposes of projection was providing materials for a ritual that would be difficult to obtain, meaning projecting exotic materials is a core part of Joe's skill set. Joe also wouldn't be limited to just swords and sword related items for his projections.
My understanding was that structural analysis was part of reinforcement, since you needed to understand the makeup of an item before you decided where you were going to shove the magic. That's definitely an aspect of transmutation, so it would be in Joe's skillset.
Joe's demigod status has a weird relationship with his magic. Joe doesn't have magic power directly from his demigod heritage. That's not universal amongst Percy Jackson demigods. His 'magic' is limited to what he can craft (which is still damn impressive. Joe hasn't really pushed that boundary yet). The divine aspect does strengthen his spiritual presence, which impacts other sources of magic to some extent. The big thing is since Joe has magical energy (mana) from other sources that means he has power he can use for Percy Jackson magic (Mystiokinesis). He's pretty much untrained, but one of the principles of that system is that if you say something with enough power behind it, it can come true (The Demigod Diaries story The Son of Magic, if anyone wants a source). Joe could use his demigod nature to effectively brute force magical effects through the use of sufficient mana.
This is a really interesting way of looking at the system, and very close to how I've been treating the different source of souls and power in this story. It's a really elegant way of describing the situation.
Though I have to say, that text is hell to read with a dark background.
PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
Personally, I actually prefer that it was a Fate perk that tipped him off. It makes all that random digression with Aisha into what the Fate series looks like on Earth Bet into foreshadowing, instead of... you know.. random digression.
- Location
- Elsewhere
That's not nearly the deterrent you're thinking it is.
Subrosian_Smithy
endless
- Location
- Washington
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Hers
Apeiron's style perks are working to make sure that even his author is using his screentime wisely.
- Location
- Earth, Sol System.
@LordRoustabout
.......................you've had this planned since that conversation with Aisha about Joe's diamond throne, haven't you..........
Broovian
The Patriarch of Oblivion and all it contains.
- Location
- The cesspool of New York and Loving it!
Well that may not be necessary depending on the state of the soul after death and whether whatever let's a soul inhabit its body was broken when the body died. If they died recently I think a case could be made for the soul hopping back into the body like nothing happened. The longer it takes the higher the chances something happens to the soul, which means you're need some unnatural means to put the soul back if it's even possible. How they did probably also plays a role.
I had a sudden realization, Joe technically being a god is going to be what people latch onto when they talk about his degrading mental health. We know he is technically a god, but when thinkers like Tattletale say it or if he ever lets it slip that is going to be the aha moment. The (false) delusions of (his very much true) godhood are going to be all the proof required that his power is messing with his sanity. Ironic considering it is true, but so is everyone else with powers.
"The immortal do-gooder who acts as Apeiron's conscience. We have dismissed those claims."
Can't wait for Fleet or Survey to research the "Princess Gwenevere" series, looking into manga and anime to get an idea on how Naru-verse magecraft works.
Maybe scroll through internet forums for canon-versus-fandom ideas to supplement gaps in the source materials.
I can picture Fleet arguing with the duplicates over which anime is better. Garment would only be interested in what clothes the cartoon characters wear, while Survey nitpicks over plotholes and inconsistent continuity.
Possible taste clash between Joe and Aisha, debating old school cartoons versus the newer stuff.
Aisha:
"Your time is over, old man! Go watch NickToons(TM) on VHS tapes!"
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Broovian
The Patriarch of Oblivion and all it contains.
- Location
- The cesspool of New York and Loving it!
Immortal? Well if fate refuses to let you die, I guess that counts. And it's less of a conscience and more a point guard stopping anyone from telling him not to start the crusades.