Subrosian_Smithy
endless
- Location
- Washington
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Hers
inb4 the entire gym already knows just from the way he constantly poses
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
- Thread starter LordRoustabout
- Start date
inb4 the entire gym already knows just from the way he constantly poses
what story is this and can I have a link?
It was Scaling up. I'd have to go diving for the exact chapter it happened in, but honestly, I'd reccomend the thing in its entirety I liked it enough to read it straight through. Sorry for the minor spoiler.
Foxy Boxes
[Verified Box]
- Location
- England
So you have to resort to derivative works to try and back up your argument?
There is no example of mission kills in Canon. There are no hints of mission kills being possible in Canon.
From what we know of Canon, the only weak point an Endbringers has is their core, end of story.
I don't think it's fair to use canon, when Joe is not even like other Parahumans, he ain't got limits and anything is possible with him. That's why Lord uses reason and logic on how to explain every perk Joe gains and how it can be use against Parahumans or even Endbringers, I think there was a wog by lord on a method to capture(maybe disable a EB at Least long enough) to rip out it core and use it to power something. You can't rely on canon towards outside context things like Joe, with so many methods.
- Location
- Baguio City, Philippines
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You are thinking to much inside the box you need to think outside of it and burn the box
As Daxus1120 pointed "You can't rely on canon towards outside context thing".
Why are you so focused on individual examples when I've said repeatedly its not about the example.
Imagine whatever you want that works for you, pink fluffy bunnies, I don't care. It's not about the example.
- Location
- Australia
Endbringers come from another Earth in the first place. If they tried that then the Endbringers would just come back at an unpredictable time.
AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
- Location
- Lawrence, KS
One thing that the Endbringer aren't exposed to in canon because the entities select against worlds that have it is anything than flows from interstellar tech. Any effect that moves them, and therefore their core, away from the solar system would effectively kill them unless they retreated altogether to their home dimension before that. Good luck doing that though, as they have the mass of several worlds at least. Maybe shooting them with a Star Trek genesis weapon in the dimension their main shards are in? Come to think of it, that might work on even Scion if we could find and travel to his dimension.... And as far as mission kills in canon... isn't that effectively what happens when Eidolon does his little theatre thing, and can make it look like he is so macho-ly driving them away?
It took Ziz using professor haywire tinkertech dimensional travel to go from Aleph back to Bet, the reason Endbringer pop into Bet is because Eidolon was there most of the time. The only Endbringer that can return would be Ziz.
- Location
- Australia
That just proves that Ziz needed Haywire tech to transport the travellers it doesn't prove Ziz needs haywire tech to transport itself.
...how about say that to Ward Ziz that needed methods to dimensional travel, unless it within a Endbringer powerset then that means EBs like Leviathan or behemoth can't just leave Bet, it's a fact that they can't. Ziz had to use varies method to dimensional travel because she herself can't, that's why she use tinkertech.
Cosmic
Novel Addict
- Location
- Library Nexus
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Bruh, came back after finishing my exams. I had thought this argument was done.
I thought the original point of the arguement was on if the Endbringer core was 1. considered a weak point and 2. if it was the only true weak point. 3. therefore, if the other parts of the Endbringer that regenerate are considered weak points.
It feels like the core of the argument is on semantics and what is considered a weak point.
Is a weak point the point necessary to kill a being (Endbringer in this case)?
Is a weak point a "weak" point even if it's the strongest or most difficult to damage part of something?
Is a weak point any point that can be targeted in a way to mission kill it (therefore all of the flesh is a weak point) or a vital point necessary to actually kill the being (therefore only the core is a weak point)?
I thought the original point of the arguement was on if the Endbringer core was 1. considered a weak point and 2. if it was the only true weak point. 3. therefore, if the other parts of the Endbringer that regenerate are considered weak points.
It feels like the core of the argument is on semantics and what is considered a weak point.
Is a weak point the point necessary to kill a being (Endbringer in this case)?
Is a weak point a "weak" point even if it's the strongest or most difficult to damage part of something?
Is a weak point any point that can be targeted in a way to mission kill it (therefore all of the flesh is a weak point) or a vital point necessary to actually kill the being (therefore only the core is a weak point)?
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Gym Guys Talk (readerdreamer)
- Location
- Philippines
Gym Guys Talk
Doug: "Okay, who want to be the one to tell him?"
*a chorus of not its*
Doug: "Come on, guys! I know he's new, but Joe's practically one of us at this point! We have to tell him that we know about it!"
Vince: "Look, Doug, do you really want to risk him leaving?"
Doug: "But Vince! You've seen him! The way he obviously rewired the place, how he fixed the generator and that car, and his muscle tone! I don't know how he thought that none of us would notice him bulking up when he was practically a noodle when he first came in! He's so unsubtle that it's painful to watch! Do you guys really want it in your conscience when the inevitable happens and someone from outside the gym notices that we have motherfucking Apeiron?"
Theo: "He's right, guys. I've been here for only a week and I already found it out for myself."
Vince: "Alright, Doug, Theo, you both have very good points. However, you've seen him, right? And how Joe's actually a lot more skittish than his public appearances might suggest, right? Do you both really want him to realize that we've been staring up that ass of his for weeks now because of all the poses he has been doing?"
Doug/Theo: "..."
Vince: "Of course not. That's Brockton Bay's ass, right there. You tantalize it. You gaze at it from afar. And most of all, you don't point out that you can recognize that same ass on the cape that has outright overthrown everything in Brockton Bay in the few weeks he has been active so far. Because knowing Joe, knowing Apeiron, he might do something ridiculous about it like making duplicates of himself to force an alibi for himself or something."
Doug: "...so what do you suggest we do then, Vince?"
Vince: "Simple. We hide the fact that we know, and most of all, we hide the fact that we also know what's going on with Aisha. I don't know how Mr. Laborn hasn't noticed his daughter running around in costume with Joe yet, but between Apeiron and an overprotective father, I'd rather not see the fireworks of that particular confrontation."
Theo: "And in the meantime, we take as many covert pictures of Joe as possible? For when the inevitable reveal happens?"
Vince: "Yes."
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- Location
- Baguio City, Philippines
- Pronouns
- He/Him
To late for that now he already has duplicates of himself temporary as they are, also nice omake now I want an interlude from the gym guys individually.
Wow you really are involving everything on this. I don't think many people even remember that little bit about gargoyles, and I love the concept of Cold Stone and the other spirits that we're put into cybernetic bodies or that Matrix came about because of the fusion of Australian shamanism and nanites. Or Demona casting a spell on the entire city through a TV broadcast.
- Location
- Philippines
They don't know that though, so as far as they know, Joe isn't insane enough to clone himself.
- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
I don't know about WoG, but yes that will be something else for sure, that's why I'd like to see Parian's reaction on that revelation.
Magnificient!
- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
Well, for one, unless he'll figure out really good disguise, his civilian identity will be out after at most a half of hour after he'll leave his workshop. And even a good disguise can only delay it for so much time, because of all his perks.
Subrosian_Smithy
endless
- Location
- Washington
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Hers
Telepresence might work, but yeah, I suspect he's going to have to spend increasing amounts of time on mitigation as he gets more visually distinctive.
- Location
- Baguio City, Philippines
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Garment was damaged as well in the fight so maybe not
Subrosian_Smithy
endless
- Location
- Washington
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Hers
Considering the sheer amount of frame-by-frame scrutiny that all of Apeiron's appearances must have gone through, and Garment's undamaged presence in his earlier outings, I'm genuinely surprised that no-one seems to have thought of the connection. Not even as a crazy meme theory to be denigrated in the same breath as all of the Alexandria/Hero PHO shipping.
But yeah, Joe wasn't quite anime enough to scream "you bastards, you hurt Garment! I'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU!!!" before drop-kicking Lung, so there's no smoking gun.
- Location
- Philippines
It doesn't help that the everything Garment does with Joe can be explained away as just... well, Apeiron being Apeiron. Self repairing costume? Clearly even when his technology goes obsolete in the matter of days, Apeiron is picky enough to go for self-repairs. Cape moves on its own? This is the guy who is dramatic as all hell, why won't he have a cape like that? Impossibly white gloves? Clearly his hands are too good for dirt that even his gloves are too good for it.