Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

Who knows why an African American man in America's Neo Nazi capital might be reluctant to associate with law enforcement. How stupid he is for not getting paid minimum wage from an organization he has no reason to trust and isn't guaranteed to help him anyway. /s
Considering how often people move for their jobs it's still kind of his fault for not joining up and then applying for a transfer to literally anywhere else. It's especially easy for government jobs in fact. Another benefit of moving is that if he takes Aisha with him he would be taking his little sister out of the neo Nazi capital of the US. I see no downside.
 
Considering how often people move for their jobs it's still kind of his fault for not joining up and then applying for a transfer to literally anywhere else. It's especially easy for government jobs in fact. Another benefit of moving is that if he takes Aisha with him he would be taking his little sister out of the neo Nazi capital of the US. I see no downside.
Piggot wouldn't allowed it because she needs as many body's she can throw and since cauldron want to see what happens when capes are in charge of a city in America they wouldn't allowed any sort of trades. not unless not doing so would cause more harm for them.
 
Who knows why an African American man in America's Neo Nazi capital might be reluctant to associate with law enforcement. How stupid he is for not getting paid minimum wage from an organization he has no reason to trust and isn't guaranteed to help him anyway. /s
Because having no legitimate job and a criminal record is going to help with corrupt cops?
Especially when you could just put your faith in a mysterious backer who somehow has enough pull to fake a 'real' job for you but whose name you don't even know. I mean what were the odds the Undersiders were an E88 front from the start? Yeah we know better but did Brian? Hell no; he didn't even know he was working for Coil. In the meantime, what better way for Nazis to run deniable ops than have their spare team nominally run by a black dude? Makes it even easier to dispose of them if they become inconvenient and oh, look, the only point of contact is not the 'boss' but the blue eyed blonde that lives in E88 territory.
 
Piggot wouldn't allowed it because she needs as many body's she can throw and since cauldron want to see what happens when capes are in charge of a city in America they wouldn't allowed any sort of trades. not unless not doing so would cause more harm for them.
They trade people in, trading people out doesn't seem out of the question. Also, technically, I don't think that Piggot would have the authority to stop theoretical Protectorate Brian from transferring. Anyway, Brian has no reason to think that they would intentionally block his transfer meaning even if they could and would it wouldn't have any bearing on his decision making process.
 
I kinda want Joe to upgrade his rocket hammer to be an actually practical weapon and then kill one of the s9 with it. Back when Joe got it he really wanted to use it and was thinking about how much work it would be to make it the equal to his other weapons. He's improved so much from where he was back in chapter ten though that making the thing a practical weapon would probably be a cake walk. It can be his second questionably practical weapon.
 
In order:
That would be far more convincing if PRT werent constantly clashing against said Nazis. Police? Fair. PRT as a trooper? Iffy but may be. But goddamn Protectorate? Uh-huh.
The PRT being heavily infiltrated is something that's been pointed out over and over in this fic. Its possible the local Protectorate aren't personally corrupt but one bad apple really does spoil the barrel when it comes to cops and the African American community hasn't exactly had a good relationship with law enforcement historically. You're up against institutionalized inter-generational mistrust that has been heavily earned over centuries.
Not helping with Aisha's case more realistic reason. Though even then one could argue that could've been his point of bargain "I am singing up if you help me with getting my sister out of drug addicted mother" . I think I need to remind people that you are not legally obliged to join Protectorate. Its in THEIR interest to strike a bargain to gain more manpower otherwise the potential recruit might just walk out and then later either die or get snatched by some other, potentially hostile, faction.
Grue already had a record prior to that, his trigger event involved a short prison stay, and just getting to the negotiating table would require revealing quite a few details of his powers which would make it much more difficult for him to go through any other option. Piggot's hardline negotiation tactics closing doors for her is also another important plot point for this story.
Considering how often people move for their jobs it's still kind of his fault for not joining up and then applying for a transfer to literally anywhere else. It's especially easy for government jobs in fact. Another benefit of moving is that if he takes Aisha with him he would be taking his little sister out of the neo Nazi capital of the US. I see no downside.
Yes because the continually undermanned branch of the organization is going to be sympathetic when you come to them asking for a transfer. More to the point he doesn't trust them.
Because having no legitimate job and a criminal record is going to help with corrupt cops?
That only matters if you get caught. Grue was active for years without that being the case.
Especially when you could just put your faith in a mysterious backer who somehow has enough pull to fake a 'real' job for you but whose name you don't even know. I mean what were the odds the Undersiders were an E88 front from the start? Yeah we know better but did Brian? Hell no; he didn't even know he was working for Coil. In the meantime, what better way for Nazis to run deniable ops than have their spare team nominally run by a black dude? Makes it even easier to dispose of them if they become inconvenient and oh, look, the only point of contact is not the 'boss' but the blue eyed blonde that lives in E88 territory.
Grue was active for quite some time before Coil approached him. Remember that crime is the backup job for like a third of the people in the bay. Unclear if Brian would care if it was an E88 front. He's probably had to work for or at least pay them off before. Brian also lives in E88 territory. Its unclear if Lisa has her own place (probably not Coil wants as much control over her as possible).
They trade people in, trading people out doesn't seem out of the question. Also, technically, I don't think that Piggot would have the authority to stop theoretical Protectorate Brian from transferring. Anyway, Brian has no reason to think that they would intentionally block his transfer meaning even if they could and would it wouldn't have any bearing on his decision making process.
Brian would be wards age. He is only seventeen even now. He has no guarantee that a transfer would be possible and its based on trusting people he has every reason not to.
 
I don't know if anyone would care, but I do recall a WoG from Wildbow. Aisha's issues would have made joining the heroes not work for Brian's goals, and going villain was the right call.
 
I don't know if anyone would care, but I do recall a WoG from Wildbow. Aisha's issues would have made joining the heroes not work for Brian's goals, and going villain was the right call.
Wildbow also has plenty of WoG that says that Carol was right and Amy was always going to be evil. There is plenty of weird, often terrible WoG. This is generally ignored because it's stupid.
 
Also, does anyone else want her to play a little prank on Lisa and go change all her notes regarding the Forge to say "the Celestial Forge has seven eight members – signed Lethe" or similar? Preferably while Lisa is working alone in her digs at the hideout.
Unfortunately the thing with maturity is understanding that even pranks can be not so harmless coming from someone perceived by absolutely terrifying, towards someone who is already on the verge of a mental breakdown.

Honestly my read on Aisha's relationship with the Undersiders team right now is pretty similar to how Brian perceives Aisha. "Teenagers that get into trouble larger than them and need to be constantly bailed out." Compared to her friends in the Forge, she does not really have much reason to interact with them outside of Joe and Brian's respective relationships to the Undersiders.
 
Wildbow also has plenty of WoG that says that Carol was right and Amy was always going to be evil. There is plenty of weird, often terrible WoG. This is generally ignored because it's stupid.

Fans: It's stupid how no one just shoot the Capes given they live in Gun Country.

Wilder Beast, not wanting to admit he forgor: Cauldron Conspiracy!

PRT quest players: See? If the director played the field correctly even Wards could-

Wallaby Bicorn: Super Child Protection Services that totally always existed, go!

Yeah, I tend to not believe in WoG unless they comply to information already given in text, otherwise it feels as of the author is just covering their ass over plotholes.
 
Fans: It's stupid how no one just shoot the Capes given they live in Gun Country.

Wilder Beast, not wanting to admit he forgor: Cauldron Conspiracy!

PRT quest players: See? If the director played the field correctly even Wards could-

Wallaby Bicorn: Super Child Protection Services that totally always existed, go!

Yeah, I tend to not believe in WoG unless they comply to information already given in text, otherwise it feels as of the author is just covering their ass over plotholes.
What's worse is that if he had thought of it earlier when writing Worm, it would have been a great writing tool to help show what Bet was like.
If the YG are aiding and abetting Sophia by covering up the shit she gets up to than you've just shown that nobody can be trusted with power because no matter how noble their intentions, they will be corrupted.
If they are ignorant of Sophia but have protocols working at cross purposes that create the clusterfuck that is Vista's home life, then you show that even good people trying to do the right thing don't make the right decisions.

And then there are the implications and consequences of the YG creation. If you go with Wildbow's description, the YG are an NGO nonprofit with regulatory authority over law enforcement. With it as a precedent, how long do you think it would take for the NAACP to start pushing to create a similar group to combat racism in police departments?

It's a lot of potential for world building, and it was only thrown together and added to cover plot holes, to railroad a quest, and to stop reasonable people from being reasonable.
 
If people aren't either shitty on purpose or operating with good intentions under a half formed picture of a situation, full of no-win scenarios in the first place, it isn't canon compliant Worm imo. Which as great as some fics are, they are all AU from baseline atitude shift to be less cynical in tone.

Part of the fun of this fic is that Apeiron is breaking the paradigm In a positive manner. The PRT are still bracing for the shoe to drop, not realizing Apirion's shoe weighs -450grams and is made out of an orthogonally displaced chunk of room temperature hydrogen ice-389, and is now seeking the spot farthest from all real space mass, never to be seen again.

PRT are desperate souls fighting against a cosmic maggot swarm and inevitably losing. Assuming the Cape that says hes a friendly is friendly is how you get a squad ripped apart while interacting with a Cape with a thinker plan to cure their siblings cancer/master/plain old phychos who lie.

Their hero's are broken in fundamental ways, and are worse than some setting's villains, let alone what shit like greyboy and Bonesaw got up to.

Taking a bit to warm up to the human nuke when the standoffish is unnecessary but understandable, considering the shit the protectorate had to hide, the endbringers eroding the world, etc etc. Its sad but understandable.
 
Was reading some old chapters of this. And I was a little confused regarding Mark Dallon and Carol Dallon situation.

Is Carol trying to begin divorce procedure, and get custody of her daughter's or something?

Honestly, this is coming from a conversation between Mike and Mark. Where Mark admitted that some lawyer guy asked him about his psych history and changes over past 3 years.
 
It's a lot of potential for world building, and it was only thrown together and added to cover plot holes, to railroad a quest, and to stop reasonable people from being reasonable.

Even things that are said in the story itself feels like WB responding to reasonable question in a way that makes people look incompetent/negligent. Like the whole "rotating therapists" the PRT have or Taylor's case having zero followup in any way.

If people aren't either shitty on purpose or operating with good intentions under a half formed picture of a situation, full of no-win scenarios in the first place, it isn't canon compliant Worm imo. Which as great as some fics are, they are all AU from baseline atitude shift to be less cynical in tone.

But at least we can all have a laugh when people write Hypercompetent Ball of Sunshines Taylor, right?

Was reading some old chapters of this. And I was a little confused regarding Mark Dallon and Carol Dallon situation.

Is Carol trying to begin divorce procedure, and get custody of her daughter's or something?

Honestly, this is coming from a conversation between Mike and Mark. Where Mark admitted that some lawyer guy asked him about his psych history and changes over past 3 years.

That was because of Vickie's case, the whole emotional manip thing that Carol cares way more about than having Amy confined.
 
That was because of Vickie's case, the whole emotional manip thing that Carol cares way more about than having Amy confined.
Yeah, I get that. But is she working along some sort of meticulously planned manipulation or is she throwing anything and everything at Mark to create distance between him and Vicky and Amy's cases?

Was that ever touched upon?

I could see a shark lawyer, who's desperate, with a lot of burnt bridges while being somewhat sociopathic attempt to burn her estranged husband deeper to get what she wants. Like by legally moving against him in a divorce and custody case, effectively blindsiding him and damaging him further. Theoretically.
 
Was reading some old chapters of this. And I was a little confused regarding Mark Dallon and Carol Dallon situation.

Is Carol trying to begin divorce procedure, and get custody of her daughter's or something?

Honestly, this is coming from a conversation between Mike and Mark. Where Mark admitted that some lawyer guy asked him about his psych history and changes over past 3 years.
Sarah Pelham (Lady Photon) and Neil Pelham (Manpower) are divorcing. Mark Dallon (Flashbang) and Carol Dallon (Brandish) are not (yet).
Sarah pretty much hates Carol outright but is putting the children ahead of her own feelings because its the right thing to do.
Mark feels much the same way but is too depressed to do anything but go out and blow shit (Nazis) up every night.
Carol has no idea why anyone is angry at her when Apeiron is out there stirring up gossip (conveniently ignoring that the affair did happen and pre-dates Aperion's debut by decades).
The kids are mostly confused (Eric | Shielder), angry ( Crystal | Laserdream), or in not-quite-jail (Amy | Panacea and Vicky | Glory Girl).

As for the interview, that wasn't a lawyer but a researcher with the PRT trying to track the long-term effects of Glory Girl's emotion aura.
 
conveniently ignoring that the affair did happen and pre-dates Aperion's debut by decades

Apeiron: *unlocks Terminatortech* I can timetravel now.

Carol, out of nowhere: Aha! So you admit it!

Apeiron: What?

Carol: I knew it was your fault that I cheated on my husband to ruin New Wave's reputation!

Apeiron: Qué?

Carol: You are probably the one behind my (and Sarah's) Trigger Event, aren't you!?

Apeiron: ナニ?

Carol: I have you now, "mercenary". Or should I say Villain!?

Apeiron: Was?

Carol: To the Brandish Mobile!

Apeiron: There is no Brandish Mobi- Aaand she's gone...... What the fuck just happened!?
 
Piggot wouldn't allowed it because she needs as many body's she can throw and since cauldron want to see what happens when capes are in charge of a city in America they wouldn't allowed any sort of trades. not unless not doing so would cause more harm for them.
I dont think there is anything stopping him from going to another state and applying to the protectorate over there, and asking for a lawyer to help him get custody of his sister as a kind of signing bonus.
 
I dont think there is anything stopping him from going to another state and applying to the protectorate over there, and asking for a lawyer to help him get custody of his sister as a kind of signing bonus.
Technically he's too young to join the Protectorate. He was even younger when he started trying to get custody. So the main problem is he probably would have had to join the Wards and I also kind of doubt he was ever going to get custody as a minor. Not like this matters though because it's not like his method of becoming a criminal was any more effective. The most logical method would probably be to move to a place that isn't Neo Nazi central, become a Ward, and then after he's a gainfully employed Protectorate member get custody.
 
Technically he's too young to join the Protectorate. He was even younger when he started trying to get custody. So the main problem is he probably would have had to join the Wards and I also kind of doubt he was ever going to get custody as a minor. Not like this matters though because it's not like his method of becoming a criminal was any more effective. The most logical method would probably be to move to a place that isn't Neo Nazi central, become a Ward, and then after he's a gainfully employed Protectorate member get custody.
True, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he could have gotten custody as a minor anyway, as a parahuman Brian is quite the barging chip, even for what his powers are, he probably enough of one that the law will... shift a bit to accommodate his recruitment.
 

Multiversal Minutes


Aperion raised a hand and counted off on his fingers, like a news crew producer would before going live. Aloud at first, then silently.

On one, he pointed to the duplicate waiting at the device, crafted of multiple Call Gems surrounding a focusing array of incalculable power and focus. Survey nodded, while the rest of the Celestial Forge watched.




Post-apocalyptic urban Japan stretched out before them. The legacy of high-altitude nuclear exchange obvious to those with the senses tuned to the elemental and technological. Upon the world, Fleet stilled the air to blunt the shifts in weather caused by desperate release of strategic ordanance. Survey pulled knowledge from any active computing device. Every active computing device.

Garment panned around the scene, horror-struck. Stains, tears, refuse and bile-ichors marring the world.

"Thanotaunic-pathogen detected." The Matrix declared with a contemptuous sniff. "Neutralizing. We expect full remediation within six hours."

"You have forty-five seconds remaining before the bridge collapses. Are you willing to accept losing a significant amount of successor-nanites?"

"Sufficient allowances of Tier One Nanites will be apportioned, with acceptable Tier Two through Four produced in-situ. Paracausal co-location holding."

Aisha, in her armor, panned her head left and right. "So... wait. Your Fashion power came from here?"

Aperion nodded slowly, staring at the rapidly collapsing horde that had been shuffling towards them- decomposing under the Matrix's attention. Survey's reports on the state of the world confirmed it.

Tybalt meowed and pointed with his jaegerstock. "Survivors."

Around the bend, holding improvised melee weapons and salvaged firearms was a crew of ordinary people. Teenagers really. High-school students. In the twenty seconds remaining, Aperion beheld the source of his power.

Busejima Saeko blinked at the sudden, intense scruitny she found herself under. And how an animated dress and gloves seemed to be praising her as a deity.
 
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