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Had a Bender of a Holiday?

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"Relative-Be-Gone! ( Not sold in any store! )

But on a more related thing, Glad you are back, hope your New Year was a Happy One?
 
I don't believe he has any memories of that nature. Like, names and so on are specifically redacted by the Forge.

I also have a question though: what happens if Tetra were to meet the Clairvoyant? I mean she's pretty OP already but being able to see and hear literally everyone on every planet...
Also, finding those two's passengers would be a Very Big Clue, no? Joe might even be able to make an enchanted Doormaker-item and step into passenger space.
 
That sounds like he is talking about his nickname that most people call him instead of his name from his memory.
Even Alec jokes about being embarrassed of having a "sword" made by the tinker called Joe
 
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You know, rereading 58.2 Interlude Lisa, and I came across this:

LordRoustabout said:
Worse was how far the woman's influence had spread. A single person who was able to subvert an entire class of powers… well, it was unlikely, but parahuman abilities were built upon the unlikely. With the near infinite variation, with every cross application, unpredictable interaction, and previously unheard-of expression of abilities, it was far from impossible for a person to be able to subvert thinker analysis.
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And it occurs to me. As far as the Public is aware Apeiron has a few quirks:
1. He hates being called a Master, possibly hating master capes as well.
2. He was really concerned about March and seemed to kind of hate her.
3. He has literal mental effects that very obviously announce themselves in your brain and basically do nothing else. And;
4. (Not yet public but will be soon enough) He decided to completely undo the mental manipulation of Jack Slash.

Now those all seem disparate, but Back in 58.2 Tattletale kinda makes the connection of the common thread through all three of those: Apeiron hates masters with massive reach who are so insidious that no one knows their minds are being affected (like March and Jack Slash). If I were Mama Mathers, I'd be worried.
 
Was just rereading the last chapter and suddenly find myself sad that Joe didn't get the opportunity to use the "she followed me home so I decided to keep her" line.

Also, unrelated but way back when Joe first showed off the combination of life fibres and healing nanobots in combat (with Uber&L33t piloting robot drones) after rescuing Aisha from the ABB financial centre, there are repeated mentions of "Hong Kong" in the context of a general style of action film. So I was wondering if we had any "official" info on what's going on with HK? I doubt Britain would have let it go back to China in '97 if the CUI was already active then so is it still a Governed Colony or is it a sovereign state with a reasonable claim to be the "real" China? Or did Wildbow once again forget that history is a thing that happens everywhere?
 
Mr_Rose said:
Also, unrelated but way back when Joe first showed off the combination of life fibres and healing nanobots in combat (with Uber&L33t piloting robot drones) after rescuing Aisha from the ABB financial centre, there are repeated mentions of "Hong Kong" in the context of a general style of action film. So I was wondering if we had any "official" info on what's going on with HK? I doubt Britain would have let it go back to China in '97 if the CUI was already active then so is it still a Governed Colony or is it a sovereign state with a reasonable claim to be the "real" China? Or did Wildbow once again forget that history is a thing that happens everywhere?
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The CUI being a thing is in of itself bizarre beyond belief as anyone with any knowledge of modern Chinese history will attest. I believe they are canonically expansionist though so Hong Kong probably isn't doing so hot.
 
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Tactic said:
The CUI being a thing is in of itself bizarre beyond belief as anyone with any knowledge of modern Chinese history will attest. I believe they are canonically expansionist though so Honk Kong probably isn't doing so hot.
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Worse that just expansionist they are basically constantly invading or pillaging somewhere which is why Japan never recovered from Kyushu because they came in, wrecked the place and left with capes to enslave. Pretty much the only good thing that came out of them (other than a ton of capes for Kephri to take over including some useful ones) was that their failed attempt to invade Russia made Russia go uber isolationist so even if Russia's own cape system is really messed up cause of it they aren't messing with anyone outside their borders.

The Russian system btw for those curious is capes must obey the government. Government capes are assigned a handler and work as a solo agent in an extremely competitive and cutthroat environment designed to have them be useful tools too set against each other to consider teaming up.

The non government groups aren't any better tho because while they want to resist and overthrow the government they also want to maintain their strength to be able to hold off external threats like the yangban and endbringers. That means when a new cape shows up that isn't snapped up by the government one of the other teams "escorts" them to a group meeting where they all decide which faction the new cape will join (or die) with it being highly implied said new cape's opinion isn't considered at all.
 
Mr_Rose said:
Also, unrelated but way back when Joe first showed off the combination of life fibres and healing nanobots in combat (with Uber&L33t piloting robot drones) after rescuing Aisha from the ABB financial centre, there are repeated mentions of "Hong Kong" in the context of a general style of action film. So I was wondering if we had any "official" info on what's going on with HK? I doubt Britain would have let it go back to China in '97 if the CUI was already active then so is it still a Governed Colony or is it a sovereign state with a reasonable claim to be the "real" China? Or did Wildbow once again forget that history is a thing that happens everywhere?
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Tactic said:
The CUI being a thing is in of itself bizarre beyond belief as anyone with any knowledge of modern Chinese history will attest. I believe they are canonically expansionist though so Honk Kong probably isn't doing so hot.
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I mean, as a port city and financial center, I imagine Hong Kong wouldn't be doing so hot anyways on Earth Bet. Not going to be doing much of either with Leviathan around.
 
I am unaware of any canon connecting the CUI with the condition of Japan. Do you have a quote? Japan is attacked by Khonsu in canon and the CUI isn't mentioned.
 
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So that just Protectorate and Elite taken up a notch? Pretty oppressive to the paras, but guess that also means there is less random cape crime, and more organized. That sort of internal stalemate kind of explains why there were no wildly known notorious groups like Slaughterhouse or Three Blasphemies, and the only S-class threat from there is extremely powerful solo.

Also, about CUI, it doesn't make sense in-universe too, because Cauldron did nothing about it. While it makes sense to try out the whole cult idea as a way to create their army of capes, wasting such an asset as China on it is beyond bizarre. I mean, they basically gave up a large chunk of landmass and triggerable population for an organization that barely uses them and killing off capes that they don't find useful or controllable. So, Cauldron allowed creation of organization that waste resources, including capes, going directly against the whole "more capes = better" idea that those void for brains got going, and then while said organization increasingly becomes a hindrance they do nothing about it?

Actually, same with India and Russia. All those countries with useful population and landmass, that also were going through governmental upheavals while Cauldron were active, and the so-called people in the know do nothing to take them over and make some use of them? Why de fuck Cauldron put more effort in manipulating culture of US of A to wear spandex and not shoot capes then they did in ensuring the proper use of governments in charge of most of humanity's population?
 
Slentoru said:
So that just Protectorate and Elite taken up a notch? Pretty oppressive to the paras, but guess that also means there is less random cape crime, and more organized. That sort of internal stalemate kind of explains why there were no wildly known notorious groups like Slaughterhouse or Three Blasphemies, and the only S-class threat from there is extremely powerful solo.

Also, about CUI, it doesn't make sense in-universe too, because Cauldron did nothing about it. While it makes sense to try out the whole cult idea as a way to create their army of capes, wasting such an asset as China on it is beyond bizarre. I mean, they basically gave up a large chunk of landmass and triggerable population for an organization that barely uses them and killing off capes that they don't find useful or controllable. So, Cauldron allowed creation of organization that waste resources, including capes, going directly against the whole "more capes = better" idea that those void for brains got going, and then while said organization increasingly becomes a hindrance they do nothing about it?

Actually, same with India and Russia. All those countries with useful population and landmass, that also were going through governmental upheavals while Cauldron were active, and the so-called people in the know do nothing to take them over and make some use of them? Why de fuck Cauldron put more effort in manipulating culture of US of A to wear spandex and not shoot capes then they did in ensuring the proper use of governments in charge of most of humanity's population?
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Ignoring the real reason that Wildbow writes what he knows, which is fair, the reason is that Contessa follows the path without asking why. It is confirmed in Canon that The Path has its own goals outside of what Contessa asks of it. It sets itself up to complete it's goals at the expense of what Cauldron wants, with not a single member ever stopping to ask if working with an entity shard could be detrimental to their plan of stopping an entity. Cauldron is made in such a way because The Path directed Contessa to those indivuals to form it. An outside perspective makes us ask why do anything the way that they did, when the answer is always The Path set things up this way and Contessa doesn't question it.
 
arromdee said:
I am unaware of any canon connecting the CUI with the condition of Japan. Do you have a quote? Japan is attacked by Khonsu in canon and the CUI isn't mentioned.
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It's from some of the many wildbow wogs he kinda made a point of making the whole world suck by dropping a ton of bad stuff all over such that everywhere except possibly New Zealand and the poles have been effected by horrible stuff. For example with endbringers alone since you mentioned them he added to the really big endbringer defeats counts by saying Hawaii no longer exists because Behemoth atked it and got to the volcanos and that one of the biggest defeats ever was a few days after Hero's death when levi atked somewhere in Italy and due to the Triumvirate being down and it being Italy the whole place got turbo screwed by the defence being feeble and the atk dragging on.

Slentoru said:
So that just Protectorate and Elite taken up a notch? Pretty oppressive to the paras, but guess that also means there is less random cape crime, and more organized. That sort of internal stalemate kind of explains why there were no wildly known notorious groups like Slaughterhouse or Three Blasphemies, and the only S-class threat from there is extremely powerful solo.

Also, about CUI, it doesn't make sense in-universe too, because Cauldron did nothing about it. While it makes sense to try out the whole cult idea as a way to create their army of capes, wasting such an asset as China on it is beyond bizarre. I mean, they basically gave up a large chunk of landmass and triggerable population for an organization that barely uses them and killing off capes that they don't find useful or controllable. So, Cauldron allowed creation of organization that waste resources, including capes, going directly against the whole "more capes = better" idea that those void for brains got going, and then while said organization increasingly becomes a hindrance they do nothing about it?

Actually, same with India and Russia. All those countries with useful population and landmass, that also were going through governmental upheavals while Cauldron were active, and the so-called people in the know do nothing to take them over and make some use of them? Why de fuck Cauldron put more effort in manipulating culture of US of A to wear spandex and not shoot capes then they did in ensuring the proper use of governments in charge of most of humanity's population?
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More than just one notch from the sounds of things there are no capes that haven't been enslaved by either the government or the anti government faction (who are also implied to kill those no-one wants). Pretty much the only good thing you can say about it is that the non government capes don't fight with each other and presumably don't have too much issue with the government ones because of the whole solo agents trained to reject teaming up.

Cauldron did actually do some stuff with the yangban as it's known some of their key strong capes like the earth mover who kept Lung imprisoned are vial capes so they had a hand in setting them up. Presumably and hopefully called in those favours cause well otherwise they let the yangban run around during gm kidnapping and pillaging everywhere including the fight scion effort while sitting on them tho that would be perfectly in character for them. It's their real sin in my opinion that all the atrocities they did were under the excuse of stockpiling options for gm but then when it came around despite their 2 year confirmation of the time they barely did anything during it to the point they were very easily arguably a net negative given all the disruptions groups they set up like the fallen, elite and yangban caused.

The USA effort tho is because the Triumvirate and Hero are American and the prt itself is Alexandria's personal project with her idea basically being something like this will come anyway with the 4 of us going to them about it we can give it legitimacy and gain the ability to shape it. The gun thing is just wildbow filling in the plot hole of why no-one snipes capes (and pls ignore that time Coil had snipers go to the anti ABB effort and they worked with Taylor to snipe Oni Lee) or shoots them in general (capes are explained but not civvies).
 
akatoshslayer said:
Contessa follows the path without asking why
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It's kind of sad how the main response to the question "Why Cauldron did a thing" is basically: "They have no brain, and they must think".

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You know what is funny, I checked the wiki, and it says that Red Gauntlet, the main Russian nongovernment cape group exist mainly due to Cauldron's support. And they were set up to be governmental before going pure mercenary. That, plus Yangban connection, and maybe I was unfair, maybe Cauldron did try to take over China and Russia, and fucking failed at it.

At this point, that is going from ridiculous to straight up impressive. Those unordinary dipshits managed to get their noses in everything, bet their chips on all the numbers, and yet roulette flew off the table and hit them in the nuts. Every action taken bitten them in the ass so hard that it swallowed their vacant heads. I'm not sure if they could have done worse if they have tried to. Did Contessa accidentally run "path to making all my actions wortless" in the background, or are her power actually called Path to Participation Award and Cauldron just saw Award part and run with it? Now I just can't wait for Joe to meet this motley crew and find out that some powerful magical being put a dying curse on them to have intelligence so low that they can play tic-tac-toe against themselves and lose.
 
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More than just one notch from the sounds of things there are no capes that haven't been enslaved by either the government or the anti government faction
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Not quite true
Red Gauntlet (Krasnaya Perchatka) - The only group in Russia where people work together. They're mercenaries, and depending on the lens one uses to view the situation, you could say they're really the ones in power in Russia. When the witch hunting was active, Red Gauntlet formed as a band of friends and family with powers, attempting to survive. They gained power, gained strength, and gained leverage. Initially serving the Russian government as the precursor to what would be the Elitnaya, Red Gauntlet was bought out by the Eritreans in the second Eritrean War for Liberation, and thereafter settled into a role as mercenaries. Where things are otherwise balanced, Red Gauntlet's ability to accept or refuse jobs basically cements it as a deciding factor or power in the political discourse. The daughter of one of the founding members, Rukavitsa, presently leads. She was arguably the catalyst for the group's formation, she's romanticized and beloved in Russian culture, her group is hated by local government, and while she hears out any argument, she'll ultimately make the calls that Red Gauntlet follows. - Private message by Wildbow, archived on Spacebattles
 
Joe has an aspect from Lord of Light, Progress, but his duplicates don't share it with him because of their inherent differences in mindset. Progress is not true to them in the way that it is to him.

Everything that allows a human to develop an aspect carries over to them through the perk though. So, shouldn't they have their own aspect waiting to be uncovered?
 
For some reason I feel likes it's been months since this last updated, and I put the fault completely on the end and start of the years being a giant blob of celebrations to me between b-days, xmas, and new year....

It feels so weird that Brian is the first one of the Undies to enter the Workshop. Not that I really expected any of them to even take a peek inside, but Brian was the last one in the last if someone was to ever enter, even when he is arguably the most important one narrative wise, secpnd only to Taylor, and Taylor is banned from ever entering.

I hope Aisha shows him she is a horse girl and present him her unicorn.
 
Mesaphrom said:
I hope Aisha shows him she is a horse girl and present him her unicorn.
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She'd pretty much have to if he gets to see the outside of her house…

I want to see his reaction to Kape Kerbin though. "Is Joe building a Saturn V?" "Huh? No, he's way past that." "So what's that over there?" "Oh, that's just the Kerbals. I can introduce you later if you want?"
 
Mr_Rose said:
She'd pretty much have to if he gets to see the outside of her house…

I want to see his reaction to Kape Kerbin though. "Is Joe building a Saturn V?" "Huh? No, he's way past that." "So what's that over there?" "Oh, that's just the Kerbals. I can introduce you later if you want?"
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Why do you think he'd be able to see Kape Kerbin from Aisha's house? They're probably at least like a few hundred miles apart! The Workshop covers a lot of empty countryside these days, you don't need to worry about the neighbors building ugly construction projects ruining the view from your backyard!
 
TheBrain0110 said:
Why do you think he'd be able to see Kape Kerbin from Aisha's house? They're probably at least like a few hundred miles apart! The Workshop covers a lot of empty countryside these days, you don't need to worry about the neighbors building ugly construction projects ruining the view from your backyard!
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1. Aisha's house is in the Lofty Loft which overlooks the rest of the place. It's also on one of the sides, closer to the cliff face.
2. The Workshop topology is flat so you can see any part of it from any other part as long as there's nothing in the way.

Unless the side of the building "facing" the main workshop is window-free you can probably see the VAB from there. Definitely can from outside the building too.
Admittedly he might not notice it at first because there's a volcano off to the side too, and unexpected volcanoes are pretty distracting.
 
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