Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

She doesn't need a bodyguard. She have near absolute defense AND offense. She's effectively one of strongest parahuman out there.

Also Legend power isn't suited for bodyguard job. He have good offense (he's pratically an artillery), excellent movement and good personal defense (breaker state), but he have nothing to protect others.

Legend's def is more decent what it does is change him into the form when hit and use a portion of the impact energy to heal him then continue for the rest which is pretty good for normal fights especially with the evasion his flight offers basically making him immune to death by 1000 cuts but a single decent hit will have him useless in his breaker form for a while.

Everyone going "But Joe doesn't know about <Character>, how can he know they're not important?"

But, Joe doesn't need to know about them. He just needs to wonder "Are there more than 4 parahumans necessary?", and feel for the big smug "nope" sensation from his Passenger. Heck, he knows that Flechette and Taylor are important, and he might know that Amy is, but… he may not know who the fourth is. Just that there is a fourth, and that one of the four (who is not Taylor or Flechette) is currently optional.

(Especially since… the only reason they were able to get everyone together and rallied to fight Zion was because he went on a murder-spree. Which might mean that number four is Jack… PTV saying he's "important" for stopping Zion is one of the main reason that Cauldron let him continue as he is, after all.)

He knows that number 4 is Riley/Bonesaw as has already been covered it's been said in the story that he knew that and decided to off her anyway cause he's confident he can fulfil whatever her role is since he thinks it's a biotinker thing which as also already covered it isn't but he's already fulfilled her actual role anyway.

...Except for Scrub. And arguably Armsmaster.

Both have shown competence to a degree with Scrub when coming out of the drugged haze having serious second thoughts especially when he thought he killed Kephri but Skidmark worked to keep him in a drugged haze which is now cleared up. Armsy had the less so with his canon stuff followed by playing political games by spreading the transcript to make Piggot look bad (and it really will be now it's clear contact with Apeiron is positive and results in free power ups but she salted the ground for it) and going to face Lung with Weld while concussed which can really be written off as being concussed.

However, since then he's recognised the situation and where it's headed, distanced himself from the blame by staying as far from the action as possible, recovered, gained pr points from the fake clean up and even been the first outside the forge to crack basic dust weaving via copying Garment's designs.
 
...Except for Scrub. And arguably Armsmaster.
No? Scrub is using his brain after detox and trying to decide what to do next instead of blindly following whoever and Armsy actually took a stick out of his ass, resigned to kick back and watch the fireworks even if half of them is the reason his house is on fire.
 
Everyone going "But Joe doesn't know about <Character>, how can he know they're not important?"

But, Joe doesn't need to know about them. He just needs to wonder "Are there more than 4 parahumans necessary?", and feel for the big smug "nope" sensation from his Passenger. Heck, he knows that Flechette and Taylor are important, and he might know that Amy is, but… he may not know who the fourth is. Just that there is a fourth, and that one of the four (who is not Taylor or Flechette) is currently optional.

(Especially since… the only reason they were able to get everyone together and rallied to fight Zion was because he went on a murder-spree. Which might mean that number four is Jack… PTV saying he's "important" for stopping Zion is one of the main reason that Cauldron let him continue as he is, after all.)
What the actual fuck do you mean they were able to get everyone together to fight Zion? They weren't; Earth Bet was Earth Bet'ing.
Fandom Shard: Only Taylor, Amy, Riley, and Lily are necesary.

Every other cape that was just as much if not more important during that fight: What are we, chopped liver?

Fandom Shard: ONLY TAYLOR, AMY, RILEY, AND LILY ARE NEEDED!
Oliver is actually technically the easiest to replace because he drank half a vial of mostly balance formula so that's where his power came from and Cauldron has tons of it just well good luck working that out. Aisha was a bit more than the cheerleader she was there the whole time able to offer verbal and physical support helping Taylor hold on but also after Doormaker's power run out and she went after key capes the last piece she needed was someone with a power like what that Teeth cape had where he tethered a group together so that if one of them moved they all moved by the same which she could combo with a flier and such to quickly move the whole group. However, because he was last he and his friend had noticed and were on guard keeping out of her control until Aisha appeared behind him and punted them into her range.



I mean if your going to talk about it like that then you can't replace them because the big thing with them wasn't Clairvoyant's awareness it was that Kephri touching him meant they shared that awareness but well see below.



Joe doesn't know Oliver exists. Dragon and Eidolon also don't really matter because they were non factors from Kephri onwards. Lisa and Rachael even by that logic would be far more important because of Lisa working out to hit emotionally and Rachael's power giving Amy biomass to do it with plus Lisa's later contributions such as arranging Doormaker to be healed, given a Teacher boost to speak English to share what he knew and then fed to GU plus rigging Canary up to a sound system to keep morale up. The tinker weapon is also replaceable with any big atk which isn't an issue for the forge and it was the yangban power splitter and power booster capes that were important not Kid Win tho again see below.



None of them do Ryuugi has a huge post on it but the reason Kephri was important is basically working out you need to have a big atk prepped then survive noticing Scion auto activates ptv when Sting is fired at him and he's vulnerable to emotional stuff which well after QAylor concluded they wouldn't win with force they (for a given value of they since at some point around there it became QA who thinks it's Taylor in control) wanted to twist the knife to at least make him hurt as much as possible.

However, what is often ignored is that that was only so effective because Scion had spent all GM revelling in his emotions and experiencing highs from experimenting with massacring people so smacking it with emotional lows was extra effective due to both the crash and how it'd been diving deep into them.

In essence Scion is a gimmick boss you don't fight it because like Yiazmat the ff 12 superboss who has 50x more hp than anything else in the game so has a world record for being beaten at around 50 mins he has stupid amounts of hp except Scion also has really harsh limits on the max damage you can inflict. This is because it has continent sized flesh reserves of which you can only take out a person sized amount at most at once.

What you need to do is get access to it's real body which without ocp stuff means luck into an Eden/Abaddon shard that can do it which probably isn't possibly since even Doormaker and Clairvoyant couldn't or bust open the portal that is it's avatar to it's real body and let rip with a huge atk. Joe should be able to do it by himself between his scanners, portals, sting recreation, the candle of you can't die and multiple big atks or maybe he pulls a Project Gamer and copies Al in using magic to send all of Scion to hell.
Honestly mobility options like that relative-position-locking Cape don't need to be specifically themselves; Taylor can presumably find replacements for any specific Parahumans, ones useful either directly or by proxy in combination with others, and achieve roughly what she did in canon.
 
Flechette and Weld has the best chance to see which other people that are vital to Apeiron's scenario. Its likely Khepri will do cape work with her nanite array and they might hear that Apeiron apologized to Panacea.

Apeiron will not tell Khepri of the scale of things because of her criminal connections. It's a bit iffy if he will tell Panacea. Maybe he will, it's hard to tell. Maybe he will try to make Panacea to contact Flechette or Weld for them to convince her in his stead.
 
Honestly mobility options like that relative-position-locking Cape don't need to be specifically themselves; Taylor can presumably find replacements for any specific Parahumans, ones useful either directly or by proxy in combination with others, and achieve roughly what she did in canon.

Except Oliver really cause he's needed for the final emotional blow and Doormaker and Clairvoyant are really needed for the portals and awareness along with Lily because it has to be sting to bust open the connection as in at one point Taylor had basically every ranged atk she had minus Lily atk Scion and they hit him cause ptv didn't auto activate and nothing major happened. However, as I already said the point of Kephri is really finding that info but since Joe has the forge between his senses and scanners he'll work it out really quickly and then be able to get access to scion's earth easily enough since even scion has to put effort into hurting him and there's the you can't die for a while candle that triggers when you would die.

Flechette and Weld has the best chance to see which other people that are vital to Apeiron's scenario. Its likely Khepri will do cape work with her nanite array and they might hear that Apeiron apologized to Panacea.

Apeiron will not tell Khepri of the scale of things because of her criminal connections. It's a bit iffy if he will tell Panacea. Maybe he will, it's hard to tell. Maybe he will try to make Panacea to contact Flechette or Weld for them to convince her in his stead.

Kephri is kind of obvious as for the others since he told them he'll tell the rest with the only maybe being Amy considering how that went for her last time and hopefully this will get it through Taylor's thick head that no the Coil thing is not the big thing she's meant to do.
 
However, as I already said the point of Kephri is really finding that info but since Joe has the forge between his senses and scanners he'll work it out really quickly and then be able to get access to scion's earth easily enough since even scion has to put effort into hurting him and there's the you can't die for a while candle that triggers when you would die.
Helps that he's also completely invincible. Combat boots, plus fashion, plus unbreakable weapons.
 
I see Lily getting a Aperion Medical Plan.

Is the Medical good enough to Cure Bakuda who is a Cancer Mess on top of a Leet Mess & March?
 
I see Lily getting a Aperion Medical Plan.

Is the Medical good enough to Cure Bakuda who is a Cancer Mess on top of a Leet Mess & March?

Apeiron's healing tech has always been considered a big deal not just because it exists and healers are big in general but because of the long list of things like arthritis he healed at the storage yard (and the prt idiots considered the people being grateful a clear sign of a master effect even knowing about the admittedly low risk Bakuda would set those ones off while he was doing it).
 
Joe's Second Attempt (CovertCloud)
Joe it was a floating pretty sphere, which only you saw the effort to make it. Compared to the flower sword paper thing that they got to watch been created. It might not have been anything to him, but the presentation was entirely different. It seemed like more effort was put into it since they could see it being crafted.

Joe's second attempt

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Joe looked around the table at the present members of New Wave. Several still seemed uncertain about even talking to him, but where willing enough to hear him out for the moment.

Panacea, sitting in the middle of the group in an unconscious effort to protect her, was looking at him with doubt in her eyes, not having the background of the last few weeks to understand the magnitude of his offer.

Joe took a moment to think back to his meeting with Weld and Fletchette, and consider the effort it might require to clearly communicate the seriousness of the offer.

Maybe some better presentation would help sell the severity of the orbs effect a bit better?

Mind made up, Apeiron placed his hand on the table and spoke in the language of the elves, calling the orb to arrive before him.

Above his palm, a hole in space opened, blossoming out into the ceiling and showing a sky filled with stars.

The heavens seemed to move, rotating, giving the impression of time passing on a titanic scale, while not moving at all.

Age beyond age passed before with a chime the sky seemed to split as three shadowy, monstrous celestial figures became visible beyond the sky, each singing and reaching down from the heights of eternity to pass a point of light down from above.

Almost star like, the point of light blazed downwards from that great heigh, a line cutting the cyclical path of stars in two.

A great breaking sound rang out as the light entered that night sky, becoming a star in truth.

The sky spun still, and all eyes upon it saw as the point of light, still falling, intersect with constellations as it moved, adding a point onto each figure of myth, the images defined in ways beyond sight.

Still the burning light fell, reaching beyond the stars into the depths of space where a crowd of beings watched it fall, each more alien than the last.

It ignited then, energy radiating outwards, a sun giving life and light amongst the dark, rogue planets catching in it's gravity and prospering in golden ages for untold years before they passed beyond each other's sight.

From other stars, vast armadas of space ships, whole empires of distant places rose to take the light for themselves, war on scales beyond imagining, all for that most beautiful of lights.

And yet none could touch it, and it gave nothing to those who would only take, until every empire threw down its weapons in failure and simply watched it pass, at peace for perhaps the first time in their histories.

Moving beyond them then, the light grew closer still, but no bigger, until with a shattering sound it was in the room with them now, an orb perfectly sized for the hand it rested on.

Looking at Aperion now, he was no longer a man in a costume, but a golden glowing robot person, shadows billowing under shinning clay plates, in a uniform fit for a great spirit of creation.

But the eye couldn't rest on him, as above the vision of the sky seemed to melt and drip down, flowing into rings and symbols that circled the orb as it flared and flashed in place.

Now reaching over with his other hand, Apeiron brought forth a golden hammer and hit the top of the spinning ring, producing a melodious 'Chim' on contact.

Voices rang out then, a great chorus raised in exulation.
Behold, Life Giver​
"Cen, Coive Antom".​

The orb seemed to turn at this, and though it wasn't sentient, it judged those before it.

A pressure fell in them then, as if a mighty wind was pulling at them, composed of every negative though and harmful impulse they ever felt.

And yet at the same time, a warmth grew in their core, starting simple and yet multiplying for every good deed they had performed, every life saved and kindness given.

Finally, the golden hammer fell away, disappearing into golden dust as the orb thundered triumphant, and then the manifold rings around it fell apart to dissappear as it turned to Panacea and bid her without words to take it up and wield it with grace.

Everyone at the table sat for awhile as they tried to come to terms with what had just happened, and Joe worried he'd gone a bit too far with this one.
 
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I'm partly wondering how long it will be before Lily (accidentally?) gets confirmation from the national office about the scale of the upcoming issue.

And whether Panacea will get to touch her before getting her own offer.

And how long Lily will pine after Garment before deciding that maybe she should try dating someone a bit more human. Fortunately, Amy's a lot less likely to snap in the next few months without Bonesaw's special touch, so it's not like we have to introduce them to prevent the end of the world.

Meanwhile, Vista continues her lonely vigil as the unheeded prophet: "Beware! Did not cunning Sauron don a fair visage and befriend the elves in the guise of Annatar, the Lord of Gifts? Beware the subtle tyrant's traps! Fight back against his demonic corruption before it is too late!"
No, that's an entirely different fic. :evil:

Everyone at the table sat for awhile as they tried to come to terms with what had just happened, and Joe worried he'd gone a bit too far with this one.
Just a tad, yes. :cool:
 
I've never seen that ship. Seems much more healthy than canon honestly.
Especially given that Lily is currently the one person (who isn't affiliated with the Celestial Forge) who will never need nor want Panacea to heal her. Someone who she knows will only see/want Amy.

… And, given what Joe was able to do for Alec with his healing tech, even Amy's fears around what might happen if she were to accidentally mess with someone's brain can be nullified.
 
Especially given that Lily is currently the one person (who isn't affiliated with the Celestial Forge) who will never need nor want Panacea to heal her. Someone who she knows will only see/want Amy.

… And, given what Joe was able to do for Alec with his healing tech, even Amy's fears around what might happen if she were to accidentally mess with someone's brain can be nullified.
Considering she's in a contract with Aperion she's probably affiliated with the Forge.
 
Especially given that Lily is currently the one person (who isn't affiliated with the Celestial Forge) who will never need nor want Panacea to heal her. Someone who she knows will only see/want Amy.

… And, given what Joe was able to do for Alec with his healing tech, even Amy's fears around what might happen if she were to accidentally mess with someone's brain can be nullified.
Damn, yeah, it's probably the healthiest option she will have, unless she ends up tweaking herself bi to date Weld.
 
What fallout? Joe intends to erase Jack Slash's legacy completely. That implies a Lethe-level effect that effectively and retroactively erases their existence from the memories of everyone on the planet outside of a select few.
From what I recall, no he isn't. He's going to destroy the reputation and undo everything they did. Minde wipes will probably be available for the victim's that wish it though.
 
I really do wonder how Cauldron will take this. Or Eidolon even.

They are now aware that Apeiron roughly knows about the threat of Scion, even if he doesn't know it's Scion. And that he's actively working towards combating that threat.

They should be pretty thrilled about Flechette, knowing they have a Scion-killer in their hands. But how will they take the much more uncontrollable Apeiron? It's good that he's working against their enemy, but he's outside their control freak hands and another glimpse of just how much stronger he is than them. I mean, given their Parahuman feudal society expectations for the future, especially with that running in Brockton Bay, theoretically they should be fine with living in an Apeiron-dominated world since he's mostly shown himself to be benevolent. But that would also require them to not be excessively paranoid about his "true intentions" or stability, and not be massive hypocrites.

Also worried about ol' David feeling useless and shown up. What funny things shall the Endbringers be doing.
 
I really do wonder how Cauldron will take this. Or Eidolon even.

Correction in a few in story hours and irl months when Lily and Weld finish their patrol and report they may become aware of it based on how much they choose to reveal since they got the partial confidentiality and no full transcript as part of the contract and you can bet one of the things they won't mention is how he isn't actually compelled to follow those. Eidolon will be very unhappy about the 3 technically 4 key people that are all in or around the bay comment if he learns about it tho.
 
One thing that probably won't get mentioned but would probably really bother Cauldron is Joe mentioned that he might be able to deal with it on his own. This is just his contingency plan.
 
Correction in a few in story hours and irl months when Lily and Weld finish their patrol and report they may become aware of it based on how much they choose to reveal since they got the partial confidentiality and no full transcript as part of the contract and you can bet one of the things they won't mention is how he isn't actually compelled to follow those. Eidolon will be very unhappy about the 3 technically 4 key people that are all in or around the bay comment if he learns about it tho.
I want to point out that Eidolon could probably replace most of the key capes involved. He should have access to Eden's Sting Shard, he definitely has some biokinetic powers and Thinker powers to replace Amy/Bonesaw/Tattletale. He probably can pull up powers that mimic Oliver's powers, etc.

Thinking about it more, Eidolon might actually be able to pull out Eden's Broadcast shard. Since Jack Slash's Broadcast shard does effect Scion, it's possible Eidolon could use Eden's Broadcast shard to help beat Scion as well.
 
I've never seen that ship. Seems much more healthy than canon honestly.
Especially given that Lily is currently the one person (who isn't affiliated with the Celestial Forge) who will never need nor want Panacea to heal her. Someone who she knows will only see/want Amy.
I'll admit, I was mostly thinking of her options in the immortality club. Taylor and Aisha are generally androsexual, Dragon all but has her boyfriend, Alexandria might have a hard time relaxing even if she comes out of this scott-free, Glaistig Uaine can't be relaxed around, Garment and Survey don't seem to be interested in romance as such...

Tetra could be a possibility down the road, I suppose, but she currently presents as a bit too young. Lily might not be disinterested in wearing her, even, given the hints about her canon relationship with Sabah.

But yes, Panacea/Flechette has the potential to be much healthier than anything in canon if the former can get over her fixation, even without the immortality. I've seen it before, but it's rare; the only instance that comes to mind is a minor tease in It Gets Worse.
 
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