Huh? I see no inter dimensional kidnapping, crimes against humanity, or stupid over reliance on a tool you know for a fact has been compromised by the enemy.
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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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Problem there is WoW isn't in the forge not sure if it's cause it's not in v1 or just cause lord isn't familiar with it but per his recent wog he doesn't really have time to work on adding knew settings and if he did we have the list of ones from a year ago of one's he's working on or would go for next.
while that is a thing it's $300 a week of common grocery stuff so that probably won't be in it especially since it would probably be the New World's groceries. If you want to try and game it go back to the chapter it was rolled in and look at the suggestions for stuff like Harry Potter sweets or the Tales food healing items.
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Ah the irony is strong there since Ward pretty much shows that's March's dedication and sense of responsibility she has through cluster bleed.
Indeed because he thinks it's a biotinker thing so can take her place. Though ironically he already has cause her canon role was that Taylor's crippling self worth issues exacerbated by Ziz meant she couldn't handle not being able to do anything to scion so went to Riley hey mind that time you said you could cut my head open to mess with my corona and hence change my power could you do that? To which Riley's response was what that's crazy that'll just kill you without doing anything useful but sure it's your choice which had Amy step in to do it because it meant Riley couldn't try to slip something past her and it had less chance of going wrong.
Though if we are being fair Oliver, Ziz, Doormaker, Clairvoyant, Aisha and GU should also all be added to the list.
Your underestimating Lily's power because her sense of timing lets her time when it wears off letting her do things like when she went yandere and shot Skitter for talking to Parian she timed the bolt so it punched through Skitter's costume, skin and fused to her bone without punching through it.
How 3 I'm not too familiar with this stuff but aren't 2 of the plagues of Egypt insects, another a disease and another turning a river to blood bcf Taylor could pretty easily do all of those.
Not lethe style more he's going to disable broadcast's effect, expose their secrets and make it abundantly clear the only reason those fools were so successful was Jack was basically playing with god mode on. An example would be a bit after the announcement he's planning on showing off the footage of the chaos his first curse on them caused and their inability to deal with it but of course the curse is an undetectable divine ability and he's not going to tell them about it
Probably won't it's something like 1:30 pm in the story right now. Weld and Lily are going to patrol for another few hours (which wow that sucks for a foot patrol) before reporting. The nine are going to get close enough to justify crushing the next in story morning from the sounds of things but part of the reason it's taken so long for them to arrive is they don't seem to get started until 11 am at best and stop frequently along with a really early stopping time and going slower for stealth. That means while the reaction will still be ongoing especially with the thinkers most of the inital surge will be long over.
Considering both what this shows about Apeiron's power lv and that he outright said the 4 key pieces are in and around the bay I'd expect the sheer envy, pride and wrath over him not being one will set an endbringer on the bay or unleash a new one. There will also probably be shades of that from the rest because the vial capes there are what Weld (who obviously isn't one), Gregor, Newter, Battery, Gallant, Trainwreck, Coil and Triumph hardly anything that would be so major. Toss in some more for any tinkers too over the nanite and effort comments.
Things are silly without them talking since they are stupid enough to believe Coil when he says he's got this. However, per wog the nine takedown will sort of force their hand and a pov from them just such a shame for them that on top of his passenger the nine clean up operation will apparently have him encounter enough of their dirty laundry to give a really bad impression of them before contact is made.
Not really since in canon Dinah's E.L.E. in 2 years prediction if Jack slash escaped the bay alive which he had leaked out and all it caused was an uptick in membership of the Fallen and the Irregulars to decide to put getting answers and revenge as their top priority.
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also just realised people are going to want to crucify Piggot for salting the ground about contact at this rate especially once the tinkers learn about Weld because the Mithril is on rental so he won't be able to give samples since he's expected to give it all back. It's also a very good thing Taylor's nanites can't replicate either should limit all the craziness people have been coming up with with things her her transferring them to her swarm and hopefully if she gets a similar explanation it should get through her thick head the threat isn't Coil
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Except Clairvoyant and Doormaker could be easily replaced by Survey alone, so they aren't as important as THE Annihilator, THE Biokinetic and THE Master of the setting. And biokinetic is kinda unnecessary with Joe's skillset, which is why he could drop Bonesaw with no remorse
Joe doesn't know what specifically each is meant to do and I'd say Clairvoyant has the edge on Survey cause he can look anywhere including other worlds Survey is far more limited in needing a target to scry, so far limited to scrying bet and the same applies for the portals with Doormaker.
AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
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Yeah, poor Apeiron thinks he has it all figured out when he hasn't even met half the cast yet. Of all of them, Oliver is the other one in town, and he is at the very least as vital as the rest and pretty much impossible for anyone to substitute for. Hopefully when he takes down Coil he'll be careful enough to even notice the apparent normie standing right next to the horrid monster and Oliver doesn't become a mass casualty statistic....
As for Aisha, wasn't her main function to serve as Taylor's cheerleader, which I suppose became vital as she slowly lost her mind and motivation...
But, I really don't think things will play out much that way this time around....
I mean, he doesn't know what Bonesaw is supposed to do, yet he's ready to get rid of her all the same. Because strictly speaking there's no need for him to know what they'll do, only what they can do and whether he could replicate all of their capabilities. Doormaker's ability is easily replaceable, Joe has shown it literally two chapters ago. Clairvoyant is trickier, but between Call Beads, Survey, Tetra, whatever bullshit Tybalt could pull out of his divine ass and all of Joe's crafting capabilities he could be replaced somewhat easily. Again, couple chapters ago he made Clairvoyant-lite out of paperclip just to show off, imagine that but with good resources, time and maybe some Superweapons fiat on top of that
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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Aperion: "How do you weld Mithril?"
Tolkein: "You can't!
Aperion: "You can't."
Tolkein: "You can't!
Aperion: "You can't."
YuffieK
(Verified Ninja Princess)
Ingots. Crappy ingots of bog(roll) iron.
Maybe he's actually counting Oliver rather than Bonesaw? It's tough to say since at some level the distractions may have been crucial to getting Scion to the point he let them kill him out of grief, but the weapon and final push to break his spirit were just as crucial. Panacea and Bonesaw along with Doormaker and Clairvoyant were crucial to the Khepri setup, but in all honesty while it makes sense her PoV dominates his precognition, Khepri was only one part of keeping the distraction and timing going that let them kill Scion.
Eidolon and Dragon were distractions to buy time, Vista was crucial to keeping everyone alive and ensuring the timing worked, Flechette and Kid Win were a big part of the Tinker weapon, and none of it would have mattered if Oliver hadn't gotten through Scion's emotional armor and fooled him for a critical moment into believing the Thinker might be back.
Apeiron could substitute for a lot of those, but in terms of how difficult powers are sub in for I'd say Vista's power is at least as critical in terms of attack and defense as Khepri's is in making people work together, with Flechette and Oliver being hardest to duplicate completely and most crucial. Skitter is kind of the core of the 'Khepri' team that makes the plan work, with Flechette being the core of the Tinker weapon which it won't work without, and Vista and Oliver being big parts of making sure it hits. I think that's a more objective PoV than 'Khepri just wins'.
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AntaeusTheGiant
Child of Gaea
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Lolz at the idea of Apeiron offering Vista immortality. Sadly, since his "thinker" power is the collective fandom impression rather than actuallity, Vista's contributions are often overlooked...
In the end I feel like most of the specific capes don't matter that much because Joe's really just going to make his own strategy. There's also just enough capes out there really that a lot of things could just be handled by someone else, especially with Joe power boosting and alterations. On some level he might be able to just make a divine javelin of entity slaying. He could also just make a life model decoy that has the effect of basically Oliver's power. In the end most capes are replaceable. Perhaps Kataclysm could go all war god and be The Perfect Generalᵀᴹ and completely replace Amy, Riley and Taylor. It's less that Joe can't do it as much as he doesn't know how, he doesn't really know how because he didn't see the method.
This feels like a Hero Origin Story. I would like to see an Spin-Off where Apeiron is taken out of the picture for some bullshit reason and the fate of the world is left to Lily, Amy and Taylor. It would be interesting a situation in which they know the they "inherited" the will of Apeiron
...Probably a good idea to put some protections into place around it as well now that I think about it.
I think that she might need to coopt Labyrinth for that project; even then though I think that "the surrounding fabric of space-time" might be enough of a understatement that they'd struggle even together.
Taylor, Lily, and Oliver; jailbreaking a Parahuman can be done in a few ways so Amy and Riley aren't needed.
Strider would probably be better for the job given that she's probably more resilient then Alexandria is tough; only thing that could really protect against what she could need protection from would be dodging.
Presumably several Parahumans would Trigger with abilities that could prevent that if it happened.
Joe and probably several other Trumps.
I guess that neither of them are that familiar with regular Tinkers or something.
I feel the need to point out to everyone here that it was also a point and a statement.
I doubt it; a False Vacuum Collapse would change Spacetime but it wouldn't destroy it.
That's some Exalted bullshit right there.
Maybe Clairvoyant but he's already got a replacement for Doormaker. Several replacements even.
Screen, who can at least mitigate the effects of Shard-based extrasensory-overload, might also get some of his focus; Scanner, who can produce mental models of minds based off of other Thinker abilities, might also get some notice but that's unlikely. Or at least it's unlikely for them to get focus from Joe; Survey might latch onto them decently hard.
I reiterate; he used some ink and paper to make a pointed statement~
That's only if you want a crippled Khepri; Ziz seems to have Goldberged Amy into doing it worse then Riley would have.
Certainly not as important but they could probably serve to help.
As I understand it Clairvoyant can only see other worlds because they have access to Doormaker's portals; if she knew to look Survey could probably see into other universes just as easily.
Hell she probably already has access to Haywire's portals.
Still probably wouldn't go to waste to have some good morale.
Oliver is actually technically the easiest to replace because he drank half a vial of mostly balance formula so that's where his power came from and Cauldron has tons of it just well good luck working that out. Aisha was a bit more than the cheerleader she was there the whole time able to offer verbal and physical support helping Taylor hold on but also after Doormaker's power run out and she went after key capes the last piece she needed was someone with a power like what that Teeth cape had where he tethered a group together so that if one of them moved they all moved by the same which she could combo with a flier and such to quickly move the whole group. However, because he was last he and his friend had noticed and were on guard keeping out of her control until Aisha appeared behind him and punted them into her range.
I mean if your going to talk about it like that then you can't replace them because the big thing with them wasn't Clairvoyant's awareness it was that Kephri touching him meant they shared that awareness but well see below.
Joe doesn't know Oliver exists. Dragon and Eidolon also don't really matter because they were non factors from Kephri onwards. Lisa and Rachael even by that logic would be far more important because of Lisa working out to hit emotionally and Rachael's power giving Amy biomass to do it with plus Lisa's later contributions such as arranging Doormaker to be healed, given a Teacher boost to speak English to share what he knew and then fed to GU plus rigging Canary up to a sound system to keep morale up. The tinker weapon is also replaceable with any big atk which isn't an issue for the forge and it was the yangban power splitter and power booster capes that were important not Kid Win tho again see below.
None of them do Ryuugi has a huge post on it but the reason Kephri was important is basically working out you need to have a big atk prepped then survive noticing Scion auto activates ptv when Sting is fired at him and he's vulnerable to emotional stuff which well after QAylor concluded they wouldn't win with force they (for a given value of they since at some point around there it became QA who thinks it's Taylor in control) wanted to twist the knife to at least make him hurt as much as possible.
However, what is often ignored is that that was only so effective because Scion had spent all GM revelling in his emotions and experiencing highs from experimenting with massacring people so smacking it with emotional lows was extra effective due to both the crash and how it'd been diving deep into them.
In essence Scion is a gimmick boss you don't fight it because like Yiazmat the ff 12 superboss who has 50x more hp than anything else in the game so has a world record for being beaten at around 50 mins he has stupid amounts of hp except Scion also has really harsh limits on the max damage you can inflict. This is because it has continent sized flesh reserves of which you can only take out a person sized amount at most at once.
What you need to do is get access to it's real body which without ocp stuff means luck into an Eden/Abaddon shard that can do it which probably isn't possibly since even Doormaker and Clairvoyant couldn't or bust open the portal that is it's avatar to it's real body and let rip with a huge atk. Joe should be able to do it by himself between his scanners, portals, sting recreation, the candle of you can't die and multiple big atks or maybe he pulls a Project Gamer and copies Al in using magic to send all of Scion to hell.
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OK, I really need to see Lily *understand* Aperion's message. Also, man, Joe's finally hit the tipping point, huh? He's powerful enough to start relaxing his guard.
ExploerTM
Ruin has found you at last!
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Lethe, appearing out of goddamn nowhere: NOT SO FAST, FLECHETTE! There's more contractual obligations! You didnt think it was that easy, did you?
Flechette: That's... Fair I suppose. Tell me, what else?
Lethe: Upon being attacked, if enemy asks "Why wont you die?!" you are contractually obliged to put the best smug expression and shout on top of your lungs "NANOMACHINES, SON!"
Flechette: That's... Fair I suppose. Tell me, what else?
Lethe: Upon being attacked, if enemy asks "Why wont you die?!" you are contractually obliged to put the best smug expression and shout on top of your lungs "NANOMACHINES, SON!"
Great chapter
permeation -> permutation
permeation -> permutation
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She doesn't need a bodyguard. She have near absolute defense AND offense. She's effectively one of strongest parahuman out there.
Also Legend power isn't suited for bodyguard job. He have good offense (he's pratically an artillery), excellent movement and good personal defense (breaker state), but he have nothing to protect others.
Relax, there's emergency time travel in it. Nothing short of Scion can do meaningful damage, and even for the golden idiot it's going to be a Challenge.
Joe isn't joking when he talk about a MAJOR project.
Keep in mind Lily and Weld won't say everything to the PRT. Remember : contract.
Everyone going "But Joe doesn't know about <Character>, how can he know they're not important?"
But, Joe doesn't need to know about them. He just needs to wonder "Are there more than 4 parahumans necessary?", and feel for the big smug "nope" sensation from his Passenger. Heck, he knows that Flechette and Taylor are important, and he might know that Amy is, but… he may not know who the fourth is. Just that there is a fourth, and that one of the four (who is not Taylor or Flechette) is currently optional.
(Especially since… the only reason they were able to get everyone together and rallied to fight Zion was because he went on a murder-spree. Which might mean that number four is Jack… PTV saying he's "important" for stopping Zion is one of the main reason that Cauldron let him continue as he is, after all.)
But, Joe doesn't need to know about them. He just needs to wonder "Are there more than 4 parahumans necessary?", and feel for the big smug "nope" sensation from his Passenger. Heck, he knows that Flechette and Taylor are important, and he might know that Amy is, but… he may not know who the fourth is. Just that there is a fourth, and that one of the four (who is not Taylor or Flechette) is currently optional.
(Especially since… the only reason they were able to get everyone together and rallied to fight Zion was because he went on a murder-spree. Which might mean that number four is Jack… PTV saying he's "important" for stopping Zion is one of the main reason that Cauldron let him continue as he is, after all.)
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Now she just needs a mover power. Maybe another member of the Forge gives her some cool boots.
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- Behind you
Fandom Shard: Only Taylor, Amy, Riley, and Lily are necesary.
Every other cape that was just as much if not more important during that fight: What are we, chopped liver?
Fandom Shard: ONLY TAYLOR, AMY, RILEY, AND LILY ARE NEEDED!
I mean, that have been his plan for a good while now, keeping the girls alive is the contingency plan.
She ain't Texan enough, she needs at least 5 shotgun and a big iron to imitate one
Every other cape that was just as much if not more important during that fight: What are we, chopped liver?
Fandom Shard: ONLY TAYLOR, AMY, RILEY, AND LILY ARE NEEDED!
I mean, that have been his plan for a good while now, keeping the girls alive is the contingency plan.
She ain't Texan enough, she needs at least 5 shotgun and a big iron to imitate one
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We're getting competent everyone in this fic. Even Uber and Leet. It's simultaneously the best and worst thing about BCF.
It's the best because it make for a very compelling story, where everything happen for a reason. The world is alive.
Also I love the smell of plots smashing into one another.
It's the worst because it means we need to visist 20 bazillion viewpoints before the story can move. It's part of why this story have an extremely slow pacing.
Also Joe can kill Bonesaw now and resurrect her later if she really prove crucial.
Also, I just realized, in a way, Lily here is metaphorically eating the souls of her canon self's enemies to gain strength.
What it takes to kill Flechette is now very much similar to Greyboy's reset function, who she took out with a sting to the corona.
What it takes to kill Flechette is now very much similar to Greyboy's reset function, who she took out with a sting to the corona.
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Sadly I lack the artistic talent to illustrate this like it deserves.She ain't Texan enough, she needs at least 5 shotgun and a big iron to imitate one
...Except for Scrub. And arguably Armsmaster.