Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

Wait the VIP capes cant just be Flechette, Khepri, Bonesaw and Panacea.(Well bonesaw is optional but you get it)

If Taylor is a VIP its most likely because we need Khepri, and Khepri only works as well as it did because of the [Super OP pls dont nerf] Doormaker + Clairvoyant combo

Doormaker + Clairvoyant also helps with Flechettes issue with actually hitting the target "Door, front of leviathans core" *pulls out sting infused glock and pokes hand out of the portal* BANG

This was all discussed in depth yesterday including multiple posts by me on it but no Kephri isn't needed for bcf.

Joe's already shown that he can open a few hundred portals simultaneously, and with his current tech they can reach over a hundred miles. With his current tech being the operative phrase. That doesn't get you like Goddess or whatever from another universe, but it means she can control the battlefield.

QAylor would also need at least one thinker like Shen Yu or Clairvoyant and one cape with a strong tk power usable on people to really be at a control the battlefield lv but again it's pointless because fighting the avatar is pointless.
 
I would argue that she very much should look out for stuff that immobilizes her instead of outright lethal stuff.
Biological Immortality isn't any help, or fun, when you are crushed under a building or in a Gray Boy timeloop bubble...
She has Sting for that. March's version (Sting-lite) could cut through Clockblocker's time-stopped items which was, as the report says, "unprecedented" as in we tried everything we could get and all failed. I have little doubt that Flechette's full-fat Sting implementation could pop a Grey Boy bubble from inside. Buildings and confoam would be trivial.

And that's assuming the nanites don't have an emergency survival mode that unlocks EVO functionality…
 
She has Sting for that. March's version (Sting-lite) could cut through Clockblocker's time-stopped items which was, as the report says, "unprecedented" as in we tried everything we could get and all failed. I have little doubt that Flechette's full-fat Sting implementation could pop a Grey Boy bubble from inside. Buildings and confoam would be trivial.

And that's assuming the nanites don't have an emergency survival mode that unlocks EVO functionality…
If there's anyone among the people he's giving these out to that he would give that to it would be the Ward in good standing who's almost Protectorate age. Plus she's not Piggot's Ward. Score!
 
You guys need to read the chapter a little more carefully.



Among other things there's what sounds like an instant time reversal effect to make any damage never have happened and...



It's not enough to destroy the persons entire body across multiple dimensions, you need to basically vacuum collapse the local universe too.

I assume if you did drop a sting empowered anvil big enough to totally erase Flechette's body from existence she'd have been standing nearby (and would always have been), with the anvil closely missing.

It sounds like the Type-Moon Curse of Restoration that Dead Apostles have, he did mention using the new Magecraft skill as a Crafter in the Nanite sets.

Cue Cauldron freak out that he knows about Scion.

The irony is that his passenger continues to remain silent on Scion, so while they think he is self-censoring, he is still unaware of the identity of the greater threat.

Causality reversal? So the wound can start healing a little bit before it is actually being inflicted.

Like a Gae Bolg from Fate, I wonder if the nanites also improve their Luck.

Especially given that Lily is currently the one person (who isn't affiliated with the Celestial Forge) who will never need nor want Panacea to heal her. Someone who she knows will only see/want Amy.

… And, given what Joe was able to do for Alec with his healing tech, even Amy's fears around what might happen if she were to accidentally mess with someone's brain can be nullified.

Poor Shaper Shard though, even though these nanites are locked to prevent usage on others, it will nullify the impulse to use her powers, as seen with Lisa, although Thinker impulses from the Gemma would definitely be reduced to the point of uselessness or silenced entirely, given Joe's stances on mental influence, the new data might make up for some of it though.

I want to point out that Eidolon could probably replace most of the key capes involved. He should have access to Eden's Sting Shard, he definitely has some biokinetic powers and Thinker powers to replace Amy/Bonesaw/Tattletale. He probably can pull up powers that mimic Oliver's powers, etc.

Thinking about it more, Eidolon might actually be able to pull out Eden's Broadcast shard. Since Jack Slash's Broadcast shard does effect Scion, it's possible Eidolon could use Eden's Broadcast shard to help beat Scion as well.

Assuming you manage the Endbringers and related trauma before Scion does (permanently), maybe Apeiron could introduce Dr. Campbell to him.

An interesting idea from Ever Gallant is that Gallant has Eden's Broadcast shard if he does it will be one more wrong on Vista's pile, she will definitely frame any contact with Gallant in a negative light.
 
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As I understand it Clairvoyant can only see other worlds because they have access to Doormaker's portals; if she knew to look Survey could probably see into other universes just as easily.

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It's the reverse.

Clairvoyant is virtually omniscient and can share it with people via touch.

That's how Doormaker knows where and when to open a portal when someone calls for it
 
It's the reverse.

Clairvoyant is virtually omniscient and can share it with people via touch.

That's how Doormaker knows where and when to open a portal when someone calls for it
Makes me wonder if Survey's Cybertonium bio-mimicry is good enough that she could get access to Clairvoyant's omni-senses… because if anyone could actually process that level of data it's her.
 
Makes me wonder if Survey's Cybertonium bio-mimicry is good enough that she could get access to Clairvoyant's omni-senses… because if anyone could actually process that level of data it's her.

If only...

Then we could make both of them redundant with Celestial Forge™ Doors & Portals, one-upping the shadowy secret society, Joe has been so cautious of.
 
If only...

Then we could make both of them redundant with Celestial Forge™ Doors & Portals, one-upping the shadowy secret society, Joe has been so cautious of.
At this point want is Cauldron even capable of that the Forge isn't? Portals, check. Power granting, check. Variety of powerful thinkers, check. World shattering secrets, check. Many powerful combat capes, check. Societal manipulation, charities and such says check. Secret control of powerful organization, looks at Uppercrust, check.
 
At this point want is Cauldron even capable of that the Forge isn't? Portals, check. Power granting, check. Variety of powerful thinkers, check. World shattering secrets, check. Many powerful combat capes, check. Societal manipulation, charities and such says check. Secret control of powerful organization, looks at Uppercrust, check.
Established access to different variation of Earth Bet? I mean, Apeiron probably can easily do that, but he didn't yet.

Celestial Forge kind of one upping Cauldron on the front of messing with Shard Powers with free access to Shardspace, but Cauldron still has a legit Entity Corpse going for them, so there is that. Well, if we go there, guess Cauldron got one more Entity kill than the Forge, so there is an area to beat them at still.
 
Established access to different variation of Earth Bet? I mean, Apeiron probably can easily do that, but he didn't yet.

Celestial Forge kind of one upping Cauldron on the front of messing with Shard Powers with free access to Shardspace, but Cauldron still has a legit Entity Corpse going for them, so there is that. Well, if we go there, guess Cauldron got one more Entity kill than the Forge, so there is an area to beat them at still.
I feel like the entity kill doesn't count, it's like saying you killed Superman when what really happened is he plowed into a room full of krytonyte and you took the chance to shank him in the back. They couldn't remake those circumstances if they tried, even without PTV being comprised. Eden half dead fucked them over, I question if PTV would be able to pull it off if Eden wasn't half dead. As for alternate earths I feel like Ashia's pocket planet, the Workshop, and Joe's probable ability to travel if he really wanted to is at least equivalent.
 
I feel like the entity kill doesn't count, it's like saying you killed Superman when what really happened is he plowed into a room full of krytonyte and you took the chance to shank him in the back.
Hey, I took a chance and killed Sups, they took a chance and killed Eden. A kill is a kill, even when it's a steal, capish. More so, if killed had a chance to survive if killer did nothing.

And on the front of them not being able to repeat that feat. Sure. But they still got more tally on the board than the Forge. That might not mean much without the ability to repeat, but until Forge deals with Zion, Cauldron will have that hollow bragging right of being the only Entity Killer Organization among the Earthlings. And the botched up Corpse to prove it. Forge really need to steal that thing, who knows what kind of stuff can be made out of it. I mean, beyond Vials.
 
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Thankfully Lily is not like Taylor.

"... How soon can I put this to the test!? Wait, if I don't need to breath, I can fill my lungs with..."

"No! Bad Taylor!"

Apeiron gets the squirt bottle.

Taylor: Why isn't this working!?

Lily: Get those out of my lungs! It feels so bad!

Taylor: What about this!?

Lily: No biting!

Elsewhere:
Alexandria tenses. She looks around her office for the source but can't find it. She returns to her paperwork.

This is a good point. Taylor was vital to Zion's death in OTL, but only because jailbreaking her Coronas provided an expedient brute-force solution to "how do I make sure everyone stays coordinated until we figure out a way to win & then executes on it". If you're going into the fight with information, all you need is (1) Sting, and (2) a way to occupy Zion's attention effectively enough that he's either unable to dodge Sting or uninterested in trying. Khepri solved #2 by puppeteering everyone into trapping him in Dead Wife Guy Hell, but that's, uh, probably not the most efficient solution to the problem once you figure out that Zion is the alien matryoshka worm equivalent of a Dead Wife Guy in the first place.
Still needs the dimensional ram. Lily merely opened the door to the entities body and Defiant pulled the trigger to kill it.

I would argue that she very much should look out for stuff that immobilizes her instead of outright lethal stuff.
Biological Immortality isn't any help, or fun, when you are crushed under a building or in a Gray Boy timeloop bubble...
Biological immortality is not going to make a timeloop worse. Most everything else she can either get herself out off or wait for rescue.

It's the reverse.

Clairvoyant is virtually omniscient and can share it with people via touch.

That's how Doormaker knows where and when to open a portal when someone calls for it
That is common fanon, but:
Interlude_15.z said:
The girl in the suit placed her hands on his shoulders, tapping one twice. In response, the boy raised his hands, bidding the back wall of the room to fold out into an area that shouldn't have been there. Bright sunlight streamed down around them, a salt-scented wind blowing in their faces.

"My god," Legend said.

"He gained a very valuable set of powers, but there was an unfortunate effect on his perceptions. He sees too much at once. He's effectively blind and deaf. He agreed to work for me in exchange for care and comfort."
Interlude_29 said:
He could make doors.

He could also close the other doors, the gaps left around the other entity. It would minimize the chance that the golden man could find them.

"I can't… too much to look at," he said. "So many worlds at once."

"I know. We're going to do what we can, okay?"

"I'm… I'm pretty scared." There was a tremor in his voice.

"I know," she said. "I need to look after a few things, but I'll be back. We'll figure this out, alright?"
Doormaker can see the worlds, he has the Clairvoyant to help manage the impossible mental load.
 
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Hey, I took a chance and killed Sups, they took a chance and killed Eden. A kill is a kill, even when it's a steal, capish. More so, if killed had a chance to survive if killer did nothing.

And on the front of them not being able to repeat that feat. Sure. But they still got more tally on the board than the Forge. That might not mean much without the ability to repeat, but until Forge deals with Zion, Cauldron will have that hollow bragging right of being the only Entity Killer Organization among the Earthlings. And the botched up Corpse to prove it. Forge really need to steal that thing, who knows what kind of stuff can be made out of it. I mean, beyond Vials.
It's even worse though because they used the entities weapon to kill it and the half dead entity that couldn't do anything still managed to permanently neuter it. They shanked Superman in the back but he still managed to make them a paraplegic. Killing Eden was kinda a phyrric victory. But yeah, they do have the hollow bragging rights. Granted, Joe actually has something equivalent under his belt. He neutralized Alma. She is a life wiper and a source of Powers. He didn't lose anything in the process either.
 
I noticed that Apeiron told Flechette that she is capable of killing an Endbringer but didn't warn her about the predicted consequences of doing so (from his passenger).
 
I noticed that Apeiron told Flechette that she is capable of killing an Endbringer but didn't warn her about the predicted consequences of doing so (from his passenger).
Might be because dealing with it wouldn't actually be that hard for current Joe. It's just more endbringers. Killing 20 or so wouldn't actually be that hard at this point.
 
After a reread of the chapter, I think Flechette will probably be in for some major blowback from the PRT.

She was told by Apeiron that she had the "strongest" power, casually accepted his answer about whether it was a threat to him or not, and then accepted his nanotech into her body. A more paranoid person might think he was taking her off the board. I'm sure directors like Tagg or Piggot are going to flip.

I doubt they'll do anything extreme given her importance now, but the optics are rough.
 
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After a reread of the chapter, I think Flechette will probably be in for some major blowback from the PRT.

She was told by Apeiron that she had the "strongest" power, casually accepted his answer about whether it was a threat to him or not, and then accepted his nanotech into her body. A more paranoid person might think he was taking her off the board. I'm sure directors like Tagg or Piggot are going to flip.

I doubt they'll do anything extreme given her importance now, but the optics are rough.
She's probably not going to tell them everything though. Piggot and Tagg are still going to flip, just for less justifiable reasons.
 
I noticed that Apeiron told Flechette that she is capable of killing an Endbringer but didn't warn her about the predicted consequences of doing so (from his passenger).
She's capable of it, if she hits the weak point. And, everything else is basically decorative so far as the Endbringer is concerned.

So, while she can kill an Endbringer, the chances of her actually doing so without major Thinker support are slim enough that the benefits to telling her outweigh the risks.
 
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She's probably not going to tell them everything though. Piggot and Tagg are still going to flip, just for less justifiable reasons.
If Flechette is obviously hiding stuff that she apparently perceives as more important than the nanotech or impossible paper sword or replacing most of Weld's body, that itself's a perfectly justifiable reason to flip.
 
If Flechette is obviously hiding stuff that she apparently perceives as more important than the nanotech or impossible paper sword or replacing most of Weld's body, that itself's a perfectly justifiable reason to flip.
Not if her reason for hiding it is contract. If the price for immortality, super sword, and Weld getting super metal for his body is a confidential conversation? That sounds like a fair trade. Who knows what incredible secrets Apeiron told them, they aren't telling. Isn't it lucky that they got such a good deal for their confidentiality? Look, they are both top tier capes now!
 
Might be because dealing with it wouldn't actually be that hard for current Joe. It's just more endbringers. Killing 20 or so wouldn't actually be that hard at this point.

In canon she had over 2 years of trying and failed plus there being 20 endbringers is fanon.

Exercising governmental authority.

The forge can do that tho cause other than them and the workshop the Kerbals have their own government complete with an embassy.

If Flechette is obviously hiding stuff that she apparently perceives as more important than the nanotech or impossible paper sword or replacing most of Weld's body, that itself's a perfectly justifiable reason to flip.

Piggot would flip just from them not reporting to her either right when it happened or right after plus that well she's got the whole department scrambling focused solely on trying to have her avoid jail time something that conversation which clearly shows she's salted the grounds of contact and positive relations which having results in free power ups.
 
In canon she had over 2 years of trying and failed plus there being 20 endbringers is fanon.
Yes, I know that. I was just using the number kinda randomly. It more meant that how many there are is basically irrelevant.
Piggot would flip just from them not reporting to her either right when it happened or right after plus that well she's got the whole department scrambling focused solely on trying to have her avoid jail time something that conversation which clearly shows she's salted the grounds of contact and positive relations which having results in free power ups.
She did one mighty job of shooting herself in the foot there. It's also funny that her current strategy of delay, delay, delay is probably just going to make everything worse for her. I think she's still going to be in power by the time everything comes to a head. She just made it later.
 
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