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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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prussiangrandier said:
a lot of foods will also lead to incorrect assumptions, for instance Skyrim may seem at first glance to be a medieval or post Columbian exchange world, but in reality it probably is dismissed as a simulated world due to the lack of any radioactive isotope or being apparently only 10,000-20,000 years younger than the local sun, which in a way is more accurate to Skyrim than the average locals perspective if the godhead theory is true, similarly Mad Max may reveal the content of the Apocalypse based on the atmospheric data, either being due to nuclear war or global warming and that it was in the Australian outback
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If I remember right, the Elder Scrolls are (in game lore) fragments of the outside of reality facing in, recording the full history and future of everything that exists everywhere at all times within that reality.

They induce madness without decades of preparation and limits on exposure, and carry heavy risk even with those precautions (despite the Dragonborn bypassing that due to Fate).

The ones the (D)Aedra (See also; gods, angels, Higher Beings, devils, fiends, Game Developers, etc.) know that the reality in question is literally written on and can be changed by altering. That are implied to be the literal Truth of Reality; the game code itself.

Simulation, but not, yet written on the scrolls that represent reality... how does one receive groceries from such a realm? An Elder Scroll perhaps?
 
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Treekin3000 said:
If I remember right, the Elder Scrolls are (in game lore) fragments of the outside of reality facing in, recording the full history and future of everything that exists everywhere at all times within that reality.

They induce madness without decades of preparation and limits on exposure, and carry heavy risk even with those precautions (despite the Dragonborn bypassing that due to Fate).

The ones the (D)Aedra (See also; gods, angels, Higher Beings, devils, fiends, Game Developers, etc.) know that the reality in question is literally written on and can be changed by altering. That are implied to be the literal Truth of Reality; the game code itself.

Simulation, but not, yet written on the scrolls that represent reality... how does one receive groceries from such a realm? An Elder Scroll perhaps?
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I have not actually played an Elder Scroll game but it is my understand that groceries from there must include cheese. Possibly with additional cheese for an appetizer and a particularly good cheese for dessert.

I think it would be hilarious if, regardless of foods ordered from the world of Elder Scrolls, all that is delivered is cheese.

Hilarious and a little frightening. A reminder to Joe that the Forge is a bridge to a lot of unknown and unpredictable worlds.
 
Spidey_phd said:
I have not actually played an Elder Scroll game but it is my understand that groceries from there must include cheese. Possibly with additional cheese for an appetizer and a particularly good cheese for dessert.

I think it would be hilarious if, regardless of foods ordered from the world of Elder Scrolls, all that is delivered is cheese.

Hilarious and a little frightening. A reminder to Joe that the Forge is a bridge to a lot of unknown and unpredictable worlds.
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Celestial Forge is feat backed on the meta level. If LordR rules out that Sheo can hijack THIS level of feat, the entire multiverse is so utterly horrifyingly fucked that I dont want to even think about it.
 
Hm, true; between Touched by the Protoculture and his Passenger, Joe should be able to figure that out if he looks. The problem is that he has to look; he doesn't yet have unlimited attention. If one of his C53 patients happens to have nemesis programming of course then he should absolutely find Cauldron from that too but, again, coincidence has to happen.
 
Mr_Rose said:
Hm, true; between Touched by the Protoculture and his Passenger, Joe should be able to figure that out if he looks. The problem is that he has to look; he doesn't yet have unlimited attention. If one of his C53 patients happens to have nemesis programming of course then he should absolutely find Cauldron from that too but, again, coincidence has to happen.
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Luckily there is a C53 about 50 feet away with Nemesis programming who wants to be fixed. Sure he might not get cured right now but the guy is in the city seeking treatment, and the treatment is coming eventually.
 
prussiangrandier said:
  • there is also the possibility that he can discover that Armsmaster power is actually armsmaster power, as in he orders products, and it comes from things exclusive to brockton bay, that don't exist in other places
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i'm pretty sure he already knows this, because the power came with a box full of variations of Armsmaster's halberds. he had a whole revelation that "he was armsmaster in another universe" because of it.
 
Jfan999 said:
Right now he's passing most of the blame to Jack's influence.
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Yeah, it makes sense that it would be hard to detect one strange influence from among many. Especially when Hack, cough, I mean Jack. Actual typo but I thought it was funny. Anyway, Jack is definitely influencing Cauldron, Cauldron is definitely influencing him, along with other possible masters or strangers who have wide ranging influences. Ziz probably has civilization wide plots, the likes of Mama Mathers results in wide reaching information containment.
Anaja said:
Remember that the Protectorate wasn't a Cauldron plan. It was a personal project that Alexandria came up with.
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Alexandria is a Cauldron member though and under the influence of Contessa. Full on the PRT as Alexandria's personal brain child was probably a Contessa plot.
 
Anaja said:
Remember that the Protectorate wasn't a Cauldron plan. It was a personal project that Alexandria came up with.
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David claims otherwise in his interlude.
"You asked me for my trust, I gave it. You asked me for loyalty, I gave that to you as well. You asked me for sacrifice, and I gave that. I was content to be second place in the Protectorate, because it's what you needed."
"What Alexandria needed."
Eidolon shook his head. "Let's not pretend."
The Doctor paused, then nodded slowly. "Fair enough."
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Anaja said:
Remember that the Protectorate wasn't a Cauldron plan. It was a personal project that Alexandria came up with.
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Alexandria, also known as one of the major conspirators in Cauldron. just because it wasn't pitched by doctor mother or contessa doesn't mean it's not a cauldron plot, or doesn't have the support of cauldron's resources (ranging from PtV to brainwashing to cashing in favors) backing it.
 
Okay, so what else of value can we get from other universes? Dune and Fallen London will have the most valuable foods since you can have literal flesh of eldritch deities that will be surprisingly compatible with shards (one is eldritch worms, the other is eldritch sea urchins) and the food from dune eventually leads to spice mélange and the waters of life

there is the possibility of getting fractional Faerzress from underdark food, if you think that every life Joe suffered traumatic experiences serving under other people then he definitely was a male Drow, the easiest set up to have him suffer a lot

if you think he to suffered in Dune the was in the harkonnen planet, if he is in fallen London he is an average citizen

I can see him going for several paragraphs about mushrooms, and how the fact that there were so many interesting ones is mostly because humanity only started cultivating them recently and earth doesn't have large, wide open spaces inside of it where life can thrive, it can even go back to the experiment in 1774 that disproved it by swinging a pendulum near a mountain, and how in the Cambrian there were giant mushrooms because trees hadn't yet evolved, basically post-fact justifications for so many interesting mushrooms being around when earth rarely gets any fungi edible taller than an apple

this is a cool explanation


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhWp9dR6vBs

honestly, DnD is such bulshit
 
MagicalAmbitions said:
Alexandria, also known as one of the major conspirators in Cauldron. just because it wasn't pitched by doctor mother or contessa doesn't mean it's not a cauldron plot, or doesn't have the support of cauldron's resources (ranging from PtV to brainwashing to cashing in favors) backing it.
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Considering the point of divergence is minor in the 80's before becoming more prominent in the 90's means that comics were at the height of their popularity, most of superhero cartoons like X-Men, Batman; The Animated Series, Superman;The Animated Series, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and The Avengers were already in production or already airing.
The idea that in such an environment No One is going to come up with the idea of Super Police is frankly laughable. Cauldron did Co-op the Protectorate, but the idea was probably already there so Joe would only notice Cauldron's influence if looked into the founding and growth of the PRT. Though it wouldn't really be much to notice, with all the shady happenings that government gets up to that also would have influenced development.
 
Because_i_can said:
Considering the point of divergence is minor in the 80's before becoming more prominent in the 90's means that comics were at the height of their popularity, most of superhero cartoons like X-Men, Batman; The Animated Series, Superman;The Animated Series, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and The Avengers were already in production or already airing.
The idea that in such an environment No One is going to come up with the idea of Super Police is frankly laughable. Cauldron did Co-op the Protectorate, but the idea was probably already there so Joe would only notice Cauldron's influence if looked into the founding and growth of the PRT. Though it wouldn't really be much to notice, with all the shady happenings that government gets up to that also would have influenced development.
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well, certainly it's laughable that no one in a society that has police is going to come up with the idea of policing superpower users with other superpower users in Some fashion. but it happens to be Alexandria, one of the main conspirators in Cauldron, who explicitly came up with the idea for the PRT/Protectorate structure on-screen. Maybe there was some sort of pre-existing super-police structure or organization, but the only one that we actually see on-screen was pitched by a main member of cauldron to other members of cauldron and is led by said member in both civilian and hero identities. In order to lend the structure legitimacy, the quadrumvirate (all members of cauldron) signed up and legally subordinated themselves to the PRT. Therefore if there is Anything that can be considered part of a Cauldron plot, the PRT & Protectorate certainly count.

Also, you listed a bunch of cartoons that don't have formalized super-police organizations beholden to The Law in them and said they were evidence that people would've come up with said formalized super-police organizations beholden to The Law before the 90s, which I found laughable. As far as I know, prior to the creation of the PRT/Protectorate there may have simply been vigilante justice akin to that in the cartoons you mentioned.

On the subject of whether Joe would notice cauldron's influence on the organizations - my first thought is that it wouldn't be immediately obvious to him because it is a part of the history of his world that he has never had to question or thought to question. However, once he discovers anything about the existence of the organization he will surely start making connections from his administrative powers.
 
MagicalAmbitions said:
Also, you listed a bunch of cartoons that don't have formalized super-police organizations beholden to The Law in them and said they were evidence that people would've come up with said formalized super-police organizations beholden to The Law before the 90s, which I found laughable. As far as I know, prior to the creation of the PRT/Protectorate there may have simply been vigilante justice akin to that in the cartoons you mentioned.

On the subject of whether Joe would notice cauldron's influence on the organizations - my first thought is that it wouldn't be immediately obvious to him because it is a part of the history of his world that he has never had to question or thought to question. However, once he discovers anything about the existence of the organization he will surely start making connections from his administrative powers.
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There's not really any maybe about it before Vikare died in 89 they didn't even know capes were human. Regarding Joe discovering Cauldron I think there's wog he's going to discover more on them soon as he actually goes to past s9 sites and there definitely is that he'll know a lot about them before they actually make direct contact.
 
MagicalAmbitions said:
well, certainly it's laughable that no one in a society that has police is going to come up with the idea of policing superpower users with other superpower users in Some fashion. but it happens to be Alexandria, one of the main conspirators in Cauldron, who explicitly came up with the idea for the PRT/Protectorate structure on-screen.
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We know that there was no pre-existing super-police structure before the Protectorate.

However, the reason we know this is because we also know that the Government were starting to create one. That was the entire reason that Alexandria suggested forming the Protectorate in the first place (Interlude 15.z): to undercut/preempt the Government, and ensure that members of Cauldron were embedded at key points throughout the management structure.

It may be a Cauldron plot, yes. But it's not one that they ran entirely willingly — they were forced into it, because otherwise the Super-Police would still have been formed, but without them having any influence over it.

So, Alexandria came up with the idea for that specific Government-backed team, but only because someone else had already come up with the idea of having a Government-backed team. She took their idea, and quickly added a lick of Cauldron-coloured paint to make it look like the preferable option.
 
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