You mean the divinely augmented heart enhanced by the bits of an escalating regenerative 'dragon' doesnt count as the thing Sigurd and Artoria have?
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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Hold up, we're looking at this wrong. She would be Foreigner.
Also, for the actual thread, I think Joe is a very solid A-lister even in the impossible event he's cut off from all of his tech, what with all of the stacking auxiliary perks and assorted buffing.
I think they sacrificed his old heart. They had it avalible, what with his new heart in his chest already.
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No, they didn't the clones removed his heart and upgrade it then put it back in they don't have the heart lying around.
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They scrapped Joe's old heart for material to make the new one.
From a section of Lord's WoG on the heart:
Sadly no. However Dragon Soul is likely in the Capstone Constellation.
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that was truth does that mean Joe can do clap transmutations now
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my theory is that the truth is inherently a judge, if you tried to do some type of alchemy that has never been done before then it's possible that the truth would visit you if you made a sufficiently detailed bio-alchemy creation of a person without using the soul
the reason the truth doesnt interact with the philosopher stone is because its a neutral act, you use power you don't understand getting a result you don't understand.
in normal alchemy you use something you understand getting something you understand
if you try paying for the unknown with the know the truth comes back and stops you, and since the truth is a completely neutral party, it must reward people when it punishes them.
it's why it gives you superpowers whilst crippling you in ironic ways
He technically has Divinity already, don't know how that affects magic, he has maximum [Regression to the age of gods.] as he is literally a god in a world that doesn't have a counter force
Wonder if you can make a magical core out of eldritch beings, like trans-mutating endbringer cores into magical cores
He has a dragon arm lying around, there should be blood in there
What series is it? Because if it's one of the less magical settings the blood has probably spoiled, even then there will be very little blood in a decapitated limb.
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His soul is also infinitely larger than any magus, and he has divinity in a world with no counter force, not that it would have affected him, anyway
he also has maximum level in [regression to the age of gods] cuz he is a literal god and a werewolf variant of a beast that lived longer than man and is older than the continents.
heck, he can increase his own size which may make the magic circuits even larger, as they are points where the physical intersects with the soul, alternatively him growing above his MC will horribly maim him
he technically can already perform third magic as he can manipulate the soul already is in so many ways it makes heaven feel like a child's play
he can manipulate time and travel to other dimensions, though in a limited format, and enough insight into them to turn both these true magics into crafts.
I must also reiterate that since he is the only person who knows magecraft on the planet, he is stronger as: "There is no third rate unique magecraft"
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AAAAAAAH!!!!!! SO MUCH STUFF HAPPENED IN THIS CHAPTER!!!! I'M SO PUMPED!!!!
You are doing gods' work, and know that we, the people who love the Transformers franchise, (even if we do pretend variable amounts of it don't exist), appreciate your work. May your sanity not be lost in this endeavor.
I for one would not shittalk it, if only because the number one Garperion fan Accord May shank me.
Well, no. He'd never fall as low as to shank me himself. Before he orders someone to shank me.
Okay. So this is, possibly (oh, dare I hope), foreshadowing for Leet's VR world. Which, how would he get around Thinkers? Tampering with the shard connection, maybe? Oooh, that'd be interesting. Still ineffective on Joe though, and maybe case 53's. Weld certainly would feel it if he suddenly could taste.
But also,
Leet: "Brace yourself, Apherion, for my Magnum Opus. My Masterpiece. My new reality, in which I'm God. The Virtual Reality!"
Apherion: "Cute. Not as good as the one I made while dying some weeks ago, but certainly a good effort. Well done, Leet."
Yeah, senses. It's admittedly one obstacle I find pretty obvious, specially when using VR glasses, but yeah.
That. That's so INTERESTING!!! Because it's prefectly natural, but it also showcases that Joe isn't completely and absolutely, a hundred percent against wet tinkering. Like, yeah, he has issues with it (which is perfectly normal and something I don't personally begrudge him for) but he didn't act repulsed, but understanding of his duplicates.
I mean, yeah, maybe I was seeing things that weren't there. But my perception of the Joe from the beginning wasn't that of a man who wouldn't have seriously considered wet tinkering, certainly not to that degree, if he could have used technology, or magic, or just waited for the forge to give him something.
Just, growth, man. Character development. That's the good stuff.
Also. Will Joe be accessing the information the duplicates were dumping into the network? Probably, if only to get information about the situation. He could also get the abridged version without the emotional baggage, but if he didn't, that would change his stance in wet tinkering even more, wouldn't it? He'd live the circumstances that made his duplicates go as deep as they went, and well, easier to do something twice.
Joe! On one hand, good on you for self-reflecting and working through your hang ups. On the other, no! Bad Joe! No self-deprecating! Had you had enhanced reflexes, March would've found a way to counter them! She was a Thinker! It's what they do! And even if you hadn't, what happened wasn't your fault! And you've been working to fix it!
AAAAAAAAAAAAH! THE POSSIBILITIES!!!! OH MY!!! I have SO MANY questions!!! Would the building material count as magic, or would he be able to craft cybertonium? What would be the range of stuff he could craft? His old motoroid? His armor? His Heart? (Yes it deserves a capitalization, shush you) Would it be possible to use the dismantling perk? Would what he made be covered by the indestructible perks? What's the most complex thing he could create? What's the biggest? THIS IS SO EXCITING!!!
Souls? Probably souls. I mean, depending of what definition of soul joe's going for (he has a lot to choose from, after all) it wouldn't even be that bad. Still sketchy tho. Hmm. That's something to look forward to, him finding out.
TRUTH. Of course. Man, that's gonna be so interesting when he lands on the truth perk
(which, what WOULD Joe's toll be, anyways? The relevance of the losses vary so wildly, honestly. Izumi Curtis' were internal organs, but Ed's was his arm (and his brother, too? You could interpret it either way). Would it be Joe's Heart? It's undoubtedly the most valuable part of himself, objectively speaking. Or would it be something else? It would have been more impactful before all of this went down, but loosing vital organs and having to rely on wet tinkering to survive would be a pretty appropriate toll.)
You are doing gods' work, and know that we, the people who love the Transformers franchise, (even if we do pretend variable amounts of it don't exist), appreciate your work. May your sanity not be lost in this endeavor.
I for one would not shittalk it, if only because the number one Garperion fan Accord May shank me.
Well, no. He'd never fall as low as to shank me himself. Before he orders someone to shank me.
Okay. So this is, possibly (oh, dare I hope), foreshadowing for Leet's VR world. Which, how would he get around Thinkers? Tampering with the shard connection, maybe? Oooh, that'd be interesting. Still ineffective on Joe though, and maybe case 53's. Weld certainly would feel it if he suddenly could taste.
But also,
Leet: "Brace yourself, Apherion, for my Magnum Opus. My Masterpiece. My new reality, in which I'm God. The Virtual Reality!"
Apherion: "Cute. Not as good as the one I made while dying some weeks ago, but certainly a good effort. Well done, Leet."
Yeah, senses. It's admittedly one obstacle I find pretty obvious, specially when using VR glasses, but yeah.
That. That's so INTERESTING!!! Because it's prefectly natural, but it also showcases that Joe isn't completely and absolutely, a hundred percent against wet tinkering. Like, yeah, he has issues with it (which is perfectly normal and something I don't personally begrudge him for) but he didn't act repulsed, but understanding of his duplicates.
I mean, yeah, maybe I was seeing things that weren't there. But my perception of the Joe from the beginning wasn't that of a man who wouldn't have seriously considered wet tinkering, certainly not to that degree, if he could have used technology, or magic, or just waited for the forge to give him something.
Just, growth, man. Character development. That's the good stuff.
Also. Will Joe be accessing the information the duplicates were dumping into the network? Probably, if only to get information about the situation. He could also get the abridged version without the emotional baggage, but if he didn't, that would change his stance in wet tinkering even more, wouldn't it? He'd live the circumstances that made his duplicates go as deep as they went, and well, easier to do something twice.
Joe! On one hand, good on you for self-reflecting and working through your hang ups. On the other, no! Bad Joe! No self-deprecating! Had you had enhanced reflexes, March would've found a way to counter them! She was a Thinker! It's what they do! And even if you hadn't, what happened wasn't your fault! And you've been working to fix it!
AAAAAAAAAAAAH! THE POSSIBILITIES!!!! OH MY!!! I have SO MANY questions!!! Would the building material count as magic, or would he be able to craft cybertonium? What would be the range of stuff he could craft? His old motoroid? His armor? His Heart? (Yes it deserves a capitalization, shush you) Would it be possible to use the dismantling perk? Would what he made be covered by the indestructible perks? What's the most complex thing he could create? What's the biggest? THIS IS SO EXCITING!!!
Yeah, I dunno how much baggage will accompany the memories, but even if Joe doesn't access them, the other duplicates probably will, if only to know exactly what went down. That could end up making the duplicates even more different from Joe, since they went that much further into morally dubious tinkering once already (it was to save his life and I am NOT dissing them, but still). Man. Interesting stuff.
Souls? Probably souls. I mean, depending of what definition of soul joe's going for (he has a lot to choose from, after all) it wouldn't even be that bad. Still sketchy tho. Hmm. That's something to look forward to, him finding out.
TRUTH. Of course. Man, that's gonna be so interesting when he lands on the truth perk
(which, what WOULD Joe's toll be, anyways? The relevance of the losses vary so wildly, honestly. Izumi Curtis' were internal organs, but Ed's was his arm (and his brother, too? You could interpret it either way). Would it be Joe's Heart? It's undoubtedly the most valuable part of himself, objectively speaking. Or would it be something else? It would have been more impactful before all of this went down, but loosing vital organs and having to rely on wet tinkering to survive would be a pretty appropriate toll.)
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Worm. I was talking about Lung's arm. And given the parahuman <=> Magic equivalency it's a very magical arm.
ALso with Joe's matter duplication power x25 volume or x5 itemcount it doesn't matter if there's only a little. A single drop becomes as much as Joe wants.
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I don't think duplicated matter is a good thing for magic, given it uses mystery and that basically dilutes that, and that's if it's considered magical and not a projection.
Also, I don't think that using something made from a shard is a good idea, since it's basically an eldritch ritual at that point
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That was beautiful. That's some sweet development, both for his character and aftermath problems such as fictional powers. I could feel my neck tremble of anticipation of what this could mean for Joe.
Thank you Roust for a wonderful chapter!
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Joe has clap alchemy.
Joe is has super thik alchemy now.
Has has a pair of jucy thik exchangy bois.
When he claps them the whole world shakes.
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Oh my god Joe has 3 massive database filled with the countless bits of technology of the denizens of Necromunda and he has Projection that is helped by a lot of his Perks
Yeah, at this point it almost doesn't matter what organs Truth took in exchange for allowing him to do human alchemy. He can think hard enough and project a cybernetic into place to keep him alive long enough to build a real cybernetic replacement. Yeah, it sucks that he may lose a few organs forever, but it's not like he can't work around that.
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"20 circuits of the highest quality"Doesnt that mean true blue blooded circuits? Your 20 would be enough magical potential for Roa to want your body if you'd had them at birth.
Also projection and gradation air arent really the same thing. Has Joe got the ability to create objects with a history or not?
This is actually hyper relevant, if its just gradation air, then Joe can probably do things on Shirou's level by adding in all his other creation powers. If the power is Projection then Joe can entirely new objects with complete histories to a setting where a major threat senses only via pre- and post- cognition. If this is actually Projection, Joe just got the ability to fuck the Ziz on cue.
Also projection and gradation air arent really the same thing. Has Joe got the ability to create objects with a history or not?
This is actually hyper relevant, if its just gradation air, then Joe can probably do things on Shirou's level by adding in all his other creation powers. If the power is Projection then Joe can entirely new objects with complete histories to a setting where a major threat senses only via pre- and post- cognition. If this is actually Projection, Joe just got the ability to fuck the Ziz on cue.
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Projection and Gradation Air are the same, you may be thinking of the Trace Version referred as Tracing.
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Are there any Fate/Legends perks in the forge because if there is they have a ton of good freebies
Apeiron Servant Profile- FGO (readerdreamer)
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Since someone thought to make Apeiron an SSR Caster, I thought to make a Servant Profile for him:
As a veteran FGO player, I wanted to design him as the utterly bonkers character that he is, while also nodding towards FGO's gameplay. Thus, a Castoria-tier Servant was born, with two potential gameplay styles that are a nod to Joe's own character design:
1) As a support Caster, Joe can quite literally do it all. Well, most of it anyway. He can support Arts, he can support Buster, he can support Quick. He can charge the team, he can enable NP loops. And with his values, as per Apeiron style, he can very easily kick even most of the Big Five Casters into the curb, save for Castoria herself who ekes out slightly better on the Arts support and defensive department. The closest thing Caster Apeiron has for a weakness is the fact that the help of his NP isn't immediate (as Support Casters generally do) and is more selfish than most supports, as well as his lack of defensive capabilities like Waver's DEF buffs, Merlin and Castoria's Invul, Tamamo's targetable drain, and Skadi's dodge on NP. But given that most of the game is a damage race, this is hardly an issue most of the time. Essentially, this is me looking at Joe just casually throwing around superpowers and absurd equipment at people and thinking, "Yep, that's support Caster material. Good, that means more Chen Gong ammo."
2) He can also be played as a DPS of his own. As a nod to the Celestial Forge's snowballing nature, Apeiron is designed to be able to snowball buffs and buffs over himself through the Unremovable/Permanent buffs on his NP. Not only that, as his NP gets spammed more and more, so does his skills due to the cooldown reduction mechanic, allowing him to potentially stack his skill buffs and debuffs - especially in a Double Apeiron team. His best team in this scenario would be someone who either provides heals to stall longer (like Merlin, who can also enable stargen) or someone like Himiko who accelerates his NP spam through judicious Overcharge. Despite this, the fundamentally random system of his NP means that while he will inevitably become absurdly powerful over time, on the short term he can be unreliable as you could get buffs that you aren't going for.
Also, thanks to @Pettrip for the image. I hope you don't mind me using it.
As a veteran FGO player, I wanted to design him as the utterly bonkers character that he is, while also nodding towards FGO's gameplay. Thus, a Castoria-tier Servant was born, with two potential gameplay styles that are a nod to Joe's own character design:
1) As a support Caster, Joe can quite literally do it all. Well, most of it anyway. He can support Arts, he can support Buster, he can support Quick. He can charge the team, he can enable NP loops. And with his values, as per Apeiron style, he can very easily kick even most of the Big Five Casters into the curb, save for Castoria herself who ekes out slightly better on the Arts support and defensive department. The closest thing Caster Apeiron has for a weakness is the fact that the help of his NP isn't immediate (as Support Casters generally do) and is more selfish than most supports, as well as his lack of defensive capabilities like Waver's DEF buffs, Merlin and Castoria's Invul, Tamamo's targetable drain, and Skadi's dodge on NP. But given that most of the game is a damage race, this is hardly an issue most of the time. Essentially, this is me looking at Joe just casually throwing around superpowers and absurd equipment at people and thinking, "Yep, that's support Caster material. Good, that means more Chen Gong ammo."
2) He can also be played as a DPS of his own. As a nod to the Celestial Forge's snowballing nature, Apeiron is designed to be able to snowball buffs and buffs over himself through the Unremovable/Permanent buffs on his NP. Not only that, as his NP gets spammed more and more, so does his skills due to the cooldown reduction mechanic, allowing him to potentially stack his skill buffs and debuffs - especially in a Double Apeiron team. His best team in this scenario would be someone who either provides heals to stall longer (like Merlin, who can also enable stargen) or someone like Himiko who accelerates his NP spam through judicious Overcharge. Despite this, the fundamentally random system of his NP means that while he will inevitably become absurdly powerful over time, on the short term he can be unreliable as you could get buffs that you aren't going for.
Also, thanks to @Pettrip for the image. I hope you don't mind me using it.
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Indeed. This chapter had everything in it. Showcasing of mental alteration, questions regarding the nature of memories, identity of self, recovery, source of his strange generic powers and a half formed plan to deal with the aftermath. It helps a great deal to us because depending on how Joe priorities his information gathering it could generate vastly different results. I.e. if the media has picked up on Khepri's terriotory.
Still, its a good step forward even if he's too self-deprecating regarding this. With him acknowledges that he could have been better prepered is a big step up. It's like 2 steps forward a half step back. Prior to this he overcome his rectulance to push The Celestial Forge more than what he was given. Prior to that did he only what he was given. So this is an excellent step towards recovery.
If it was a sacrifice himself had to do then the copies wouldn't have been that reluctant. Joe really good at that sort of thing. But when it probably involved other people souls from Fallen London then they needed to do it even if it's unpleasant. Joe would definitely feel if Truth took something from him.
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If it was duplication with one of his skills, sciences or magic I'd agree. But it's duplication via Fiat of Workaholic.
We know it works just fine with Elven Enchanting and the other magic perks.
And Fiat is just over powered
Ed paid with one limb to try to bring back his mother. His brother lost everything in that same transaction. He paid with his other limb to bring back his brother's soul and bind it to the armor.
The cost does seem strongly arbitrary, but I think it comes down to what the alchemist values compared to what the alchemist is trying to bring back.
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After Japan was flooded, Nasu moved to America and as a result Bet's version of Fate is as Saturday morning cartoons.