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Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

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Oh, this was a Fun chapter. I loved reading it- it was worth the wait!


The sphere's moonbase is really telling- it shows just how much, and how deeply rooted Sphere is in Joe's mind as a true Hero... and I have to wonder, when/if the S9 show up, will joe try to save Sphere from his current self? Food for thought...

And that Gate at the end-A glimpse of Truth. OH BOY, Joe Skirted something real big there... and given that Truth is an entity/god figure, I have to wonder how this is going to play out. The transmutation circle wasn't quite human transmutation, not fully across that line I think, as it was about separating human from inhuman, so the cost might not be as steep... or could be even steeper. I'd like to think that the Glimpse of Truth means that Joe just got a polite warning of "Hey, getting close to the line there bud."

As a side note, this has a really, really, really interesting implication. Truth Exists without the Forge. That is a really interesting thing to see in motion, we know that he's real, but it was always assumed he'd be part of the Perk- but this is different. I'm really curious how this will work out.
 
Tiz Goldeneye said:
I barely know where to start with this chapter. The first major concern is that Joe figured out his powers are fictional which is going to be a major source of mental stress for him. When he gets Armsmasters power it will be worse because the Forge will then be implying that his current reality is fictional. The second major concern is that The Door of Truth was opened without paying the cost. That is probably going to come back to bite him HARD when he finally rolls the Truth perk. We got about 10 steps forward and 20 steps backwards.
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Why would it bite back when he gets the Truth perk? When he gets the perk he won't owe Truth shit, and it's been said over and over that Joe won't pay any price for the perk.
 
Zakara said:
The question is: what was the sacrifice? Was there a sacrifice? Something interesting is that Tucker's transmutation technically doesn't count as Human Transmutation. It used humans as a component, but he didn't pass that final line, didn't meet Truth. So would the inverted transmutation count? That brief glimpse Joe got of the Gate implies yes, but it could've just been because he was being deconstructed and reconstructed by the transmutation.
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Souls, all the fallen london souls in jar he made a makeshift philosopher stone without any of the moral hangups of killing people, except obviously the ones already with flasks of souls send by hell.
 
Zakara said:
If it's used on the average person I can only assume they'll experience horrible death, but in Joe/Tetra's case it was exactly what was needed. They'll have a link to each other for the rest of their days, but their forms have been divorced from the meld.
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The best part is that the link fits canon perfectly!

Ryuko and Senketsu were as compatible as they were specifically because they had each been hybridized with one another. That's why Senketsu could talk to Ryuko, and why Tetra could talk to Joe at the end of the chapter.

(And, you know, getting so mangled with a heavenly being that you're still bonded to it even after being pulled away is right up there with "reforged in a volcano" for mythic demigod origins.)
 
Ghost in a wall said:
As a side note, this has a really, really, really interesting implication. Truth Exists without the Forge. That is a really interesting thing to see in motion, we know that he's real, but it was always assumed he'd be part of the Perk- but this is different. I'm really curious how this will work out.
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I mean Joe already got his FMA perks before, so that is what probably brought Truth into existence, he doesn't need the actual Truth perk to have Truth exist.
 
Holy shit, Joe finally made the connection of fictional media and Celestial Forge. It was amazing I could see the sheer disbelief, confusion and how he tried to make it have sense in his way of seeing the things.

But the scene of acceptance? The one where he finds the will to trust himself? That is a sheer grow of character that made the chapter. That gave all the waiting worth it and fills my heart with warm because is something that Joe needed.
 
Thanks for the update. Bout time they got split apart.

LordRoustabout said:
And this work was taking time.
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LordRoustabout said:
It was stupid can and contradictory, but if these kinds of issues were logical they would never persist to the point of becoming serious problems.
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LordRoustabout said:
Uh, high everyone
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LordRoustabout said:
Well, that's a collective 'our', but yeah, put just just put together tonight.
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I was there, in the circle with Tetra as I felt the energy build.
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Ok I just have a few questions,
Why was this considered human transmutation and incur a cost?

In the show this particular bit of alchemy wasn't really considered human transmutation.

And how did joe break the law of eq exchange?
 
Since they've upgraded his body, they should see about creating some artificial circuits. It'll help for when his reality marble is used, because that'll probably pop up.
 
Logos01 said:
... The Duplicates sacrificed their Alchemical Gates. Calling it now.

Worst part is; that'll only apply to those duplicates.
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Joe's duplicates share his soul, that has been established already. Thus, assuming they are just different spirits and bodies, we must conclude that Joe only has one gate.
caspian1a said:
I always understood the law about human transmutation being about the soul/spark of life rather than the body.
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Exactly. The line is "For what could be worth the value of a human soul?"
 
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I'm pretty sure the clones used the gifted souls as a proto Philosopher's Stone to power the chimeric fission transmutation.
 
Rise and shine, Mister Duris—rise and... shine.

Also I can't believe it was fucking Fate of all things.

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LordRoustabout said:
stupid can contradictory
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and*
LordRoustabout said:
then added "and also what's going on in general?
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could do with a comma after 'added'
LordRoustabout said:
A near mindless cyborg
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hyphenate near-mindless
LordRoustabout said:
but yeah, put just together tonight."
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Something about the ordering of this one bugs me. Perhaps swap 'put' and 'just'
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Watching the form began to shift.
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Comma after 'watching'
LordRoustabout said:
Fabric shifted under my arms, changing weave, composition and color
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comma after 'composition' for that sweet sweet Oxford comma.
LordRoustabout said:
, in the circle with tetra as I felt the
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Capitalize Tetra.
 
Travisplo said:
Spirits and Souls are basically a synonym. So your sentences are mutually exclusive.
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I'm talking in terms of FMA Alchemy. There is Soul, Spirit, and Body, the Spirit being the connection between the other two. There is the Soul of Joe, then the Spirit that connects him to his body, and the Spirit's that connect the duplicates to their bodies. Seeing as in FMA canon, Ed and Al's Spirit's got connected, this isn't unfeasable.
 
Logos01 said:
... The Duplicates sacrificed their Alchemical Gates. Calling it now.

Worst part is; that'll only apply to those duplicates.
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Unless the sacrifice is more conceptual than that. It might be that Joe can still do FMA Alchemy, but his clones cannot. For all that FMA's magic system adheres to the "hard magic" definition, the entire "sacrifice" aspect and (Truth's entire existence in general) is rather murky and vague.

Depends on how LordR wants to interpret FMA Alchemy, the nature of "sacrifice" with regard to human experimentation (Truth appeared, which reveals a bit about LordR's interpretation... namely, that this seems to count as human transmutation, and that a sacrifice might've been necessary), and what direction LordR wants to take the fic.
 
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Dancingrage said:
Uh, so, guys, if he takes this again, will he get another 20 circuits stapled onto his soul?
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No. I'm not actually looking up the jump in question, but I assume that just like other free perks that give the very basics of a thing with multiple levels, getting more Circuits takes not-free perks. Which he can't select, and won't automatically come along with other perks from the setting the way free ones do.
 
readerdreamer said:
Hm, actually. I just realized something.

Did Joe's duplicates sacrifice one of themselves to the Truth? Because that's certainly Human Transmutation, that's certainly a cameo of the Gate, there was only one duplicate left behind at the end.

Edit: Oh wait, might have misinterpreted that. Multiple duplicates still. But perhaps, the souls gifted by Hell...? Or maybe even biological non-FMA homunculi being sacrficed in Joe's place?
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I mean the sacrifice just really needs to be high amounts of energy.

And it doesnt have to be that big in this case.

They were separating two beings, they werent trying to create matter or life or a soul out of nothing.

I mean, Shou Tucker didnt give anything of himself when combining Nina and Alexander into a chimera.
 
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