will408914
(slouching towards bethlehem)
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[X] Poll: Pretend Radvic isn't here for the duration of potential-apocalypse crises
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Welcome, and thank you for your analysis! I hope you'll stick around and help us out with future analyses!
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Hazō is completely out of his depth on this one. He has no idea.
Ren said that they were ANBU.
She is even more out of her depth than Hazō.
Probably not, no. The night light seals shift color fairly randomly, although typically slowly.
No, just Akane's team.
They did, but haven't arrived yet.
No video cameras, and no way to broadcast that you're aware of.
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- USA
A little confused why the freak-out is so great -> haven't these seals been used for ages with no ill-effect (considering both our teammates recognized them from the outset)?
Are we also positive that Hazou's analysis of the seals is correct? Like what would happen if there was a knowledge roll to understand the seal (which is actually fine all along) and Hazou failed the knowledge roll?
Idk, seems kinda fishy. Not to mention OPSEC - Hazou just screamed about his and Kagome's relative skill levels in front of a proctor, when he could have hand signalled or used telepathy...
Are we also positive that Hazou's analysis of the seals is correct? Like what would happen if there was a knowledge roll to understand the seal (which is actually fine all along) and Hazou failed the knowledge roll?
Idk, seems kinda fishy. Not to mention OPSEC - Hazou just screamed about his and Kagome's relative skill levels in front of a proctor, when he could have hand signalled or used telepathy...
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- Canada
Is there any reason we can't send just one person from our team to see Jiraiya? They/we obviously wouldn't be able to come back, but it would be odd if you could disqualify a whole team by kidnapping one member and throwing them out of the swamp.
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Okay so Hazō and company have no idea how dangerous these seals are. But Noburi and Kei where both familiar with then and had never seen or heard of negative affects
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Yep. No one who used radium makeup had ever seen or heard of negative effects of it, either, and would think you ridiculous for implying it could cause cancer, but here we are.
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
We don't actually know, I was just using canon knowledge of the similar Forest of Death which doesn't mean it has to be the same. Good catch.
@eaglejarl: Can we forfeit with one member of the team without disqualifying the team? Are the points counted for each person individually or the whole team?
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Cause cancer 30 years later is something hard to notice. Summon blade monsters or turn the air to acid is pretty easy to see
I like this idea, though I think it requires some modification.
1. We'd probably need to make a written contract or something. Also would have to show we have the seals. Maybe also a down payment of half, with the other half to be delivered.
2. We could ask that he send a message to the Mizukage, expressing our concerns, instead of or in addition to a message to Jiraiya. We're Leaf-nin, so us sending a message to the Mizukage would not likely be seen as us attempting to cheat. Notifying Ren will probably have her check with one of the village's sealmasters who isn't the retard who made this seal, or with Jiraiya. If we did it that way, she could save face and she might consider that she owes us.
[] Proto-Plan: Code Octarine
Goals:
Goals:
- Alert the Leaf delegation that the situation has changed.
- Try to pass round 2 if it isn't shut down.
- Using explosives/banshees, broadcast the following message or its nearest equivalent in Leaf morse code: "Catastrophic danger imminent. Mist is using faulty seals." If we don't have that or anything like it, send up the "Emergency! Help!" signal, because it would be weird if that one doesn't exist.
In the mean time, research Party Tricks that give off a glow identical to a Night Light. Use these seals for any trades.EDIT: drat- If a leaf ANBU, or Kakashi/Gai comes to our signal, explain the situation, and have them deliver a Night Light to Jiraiya for verification.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Yeah, but seals used as nightlights for children and encased in wood are not regularly subject to combat conditions.
Updating QuINOA with unanswered questions.
e: Sleeping soon, though, so someone else may wish to.
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More to the point, Hazou made a correct prediction about Night Lights: that they're rarely used.
When your theory makes predictions about things you didn't know in advance, and those predictions turn out correct, that's a sign that you should pay attention to it.
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- Canada
It gives leaf a little less leverage, but it's probably a much easier sell. Good Point.
The QM's have asked us not to poke too closely into the seal creation times, as it's mostly hand-waved. Also, this person is a total noob, it probably takes them longer.
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Watchers not withstanding, it seems like there's significant odds of existential risk here. Hazo may be wrong, and the seals may be safe, but I think we have to take this threat seriously anyway.
[X] Action Plan: GTFO
[X] Action Plan: GTFO
- Confirm that these are the only type of seal being handed out.
- Find a proctor, approach them in henge, get more seals
- Let the other genin know that the seals are a death-trap.
- Encourage other leaf-genin to drop out with us, if we happen across them.
- Find a proctor, making a show-of-force with full pangolian honour guard. Tell them
- We're dropping out of this stage of the competition.
- These seals are a death-trap, and very bad things could happen if they're not dealt with.
- That we need to talk to the mizukage immediately or there may be severe loss of life.
- Have them escort us directly to the mizukage.
- Leave the pangolian guards in-play if possible, to warn others of the danger.
- Explain the situation to Ren.
- Offer to bulk-produce party-trick seals, in exchange for a pass, so that mist doesn't have to lose face.
- Stress familiar loyalty, and that even though the Kurasawa have had issues in the past, we're still family.
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You are correct that she was not aware of that. I was wondering if anyone would catch it. :>
Right then.
So we can actually expect twenty thousand seals, with the new estimate?
To clarify, this is twenty thousand seals which each have a small possibility of major seal catastrophe, which they seem to have so far avoided due only to being used incredibly rarely, when rich people want to show off in front of the Jones'es?
Y'know, just to make sure the characters and I are on the same page...
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Well, we can expect a maximum of around 20,000 seals in play, but it's likely that there aren't that many. We can probably presume that Keiko's estimate on the amount is a probable minimum.
As far as catastrophe goes, I believe these should only potentially cause issues once chakra is pushed into them. It's likely that not all of the seals will be activated, but the time of biggest danger will be when we're closer to the last 24 hours, which is when groups will start collecting larger amounts of seals as well as presumably attacking one another to get eachother's seals.
Kalkin
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I only just read the past two updates. My immediate reaction was that this situation was planned by Ren.
Let's assume she approaches a clan, that's been problematic, discussing preparations for the chunin exams. She knows their sealmasters are dead and they only have an incompetent apprentice around now. Said clan doesn't want to lose face and admit this. So they say they can produce the required seals. Now when she goes to leverage the blood bond she can make a spectacle of it. I wouldn't be surprised if there were ninja were waiting to intercept anything we tried to send to Jiraiya.
Do yall think such a situation is plausible?
Let's assume she approaches a clan, that's been problematic, discussing preparations for the chunin exams. She knows their sealmasters are dead and they only have an incompetent apprentice around now. Said clan doesn't want to lose face and admit this. So they say they can produce the required seals. Now when she goes to leverage the blood bond she can make a spectacle of it. I wouldn't be surprised if there were ninja were waiting to intercept anything we tried to send to Jiraiya.
Do yall think such a situation is plausible?
will408914
(slouching towards bethlehem)
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- California
I doubt it. Ren isn't stupid or insane (or stupid and insane) enough to risk a Lovecraftian incursion for... some undefined benefit? No benefit whatsoever? Minor benefit to the Kurosawa clan in exchange for major harm to Mist as a whole?
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- Yes.
That the Mizukage deliberately made an exam with impeding seal failures with possibly lethal results to make a spectacle?
Personally say no, I err towards stupidity over malicious action.
Though then again...
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- Somewhere over the rainbow
Oh shit, I think I know the Akatsuki plot here; they snipe that facility, they SEALING FAILURE the entire Elemental Nations power structure.
[X] Action Plan: CODE Z! CODE Z!
- Find another proctor. ASAP.
- As in, get everyone to run right the hell out of the base, blow it to cinders, and run at top ninja cruising speed.
- While running, tell Keiko her worst case estimates are severely underestimating, because the process of drawing this blank is about five times faster than her estimate.
- Get another night light seal. Check if it's just as volatile.
- If it is, execute the rest of the plan.
- If it is not, stop, hand in the seal, and report the ANBU proctor who handed the dangerous seal to you. Execute the previous plan as written at the new location.
- If the seals are volatile, leave the area immediately. Don't stop for anything.
- Throw explosives into the air in our path so that the other Leaf Genin know we're moving out of the combat zone.
- Throw explosives in a fan pattern ahead of us to severely discourage attackers - sure, it's predictable and burns through explosives like a bonfire, but on the other hand, who the hell wants to get in front of the crazy group throwing explosives like party favors?
- Continue throwing explosives into the air when we head into town; we need to get attention fast.
- When ANBU inevitably approach, tell them we need to see Jiraiya, priority yesterday
- If they don't get the point, tell them that there are twenty thousand potential sealing failures in the next two days, where the lucky outcome is for them to explode in the user's hand. Unlucky is summoning a hellbeast invasion.
- Show Jiraiya the night light seal. Tell him there may be up to twenty thousand, or whatever number Keiko mentally revises the count to, of these seals in circulation
Not at all. Kurosawa Ren knows that failure here will reflect on Mist, and by extension Ren far more than any blowback to that caln.
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No.
This would be an insane risk to take. Let me put this in perspective:
A single "negligible chakra" infusion failure can summon Blade People. Hazou thinks using more chakra could make things worse, and these use 5-10CP. If a seal gets caught in another seal's failure, that could set off its own failure, causing a chain reaction so long as more seals are available to fail.
Now imagine twenty thousand high-chakra seals all failing in an expanding sphere of unreality that consumes an unknown-sized area of land.
Would you, the pragmatic leader of Mist, take such a risk for a small-ish political power play?
[X] Action Plan: CODE Z! CODE Z!
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