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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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The blade/wall would still get stuck in place from the pressure of what you just cut pinching it in place from the sides.
If the force walls are actually that sharp, we should really make a Bolas out of ninja wire and two seals. Hazo spins the Bolas until they are equidistant apart then sends a pulse of chakra down the line to trigger the seals they then activate 1s later as he has launched them at the target.
At that point cover/armour would be useless.
.. or you know, make a lightsaber out of one.
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Cariyaga
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Chakra wire is extremely expensive and we're not sure it works for that. Good thought, though.
e: It occurs to me that an approrpriately-sized (ie 4 feet, not 4 meters) Force Barrier Quarterstaff could be activated with Lesser Barrier Formation to make activation a single minor action. It'd take a fair bit of work, but that'd be DAMN good for defensive purposes.
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It's a d100 for 'type' of failure (how weird) and a d100 for intensity.
...the QMs literally have a doc called this and I'm concerned it may have actually gotten compromised
Cariyaga
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So was there ever any discussion on if it would be appropriate to make the intensity of failure dependent instead on by how much you failed a sealing check? It'd likely have to have different thresholds than the normal success/failure formula, but I believe there was discussion back when we made the rift up in Iron about how appropriate that was for the quantity of sealmasters produced that any failure had a chance of being deadly.
At that point, wouldn't sealmasters kill themselves out of existence, if one in every hundred failures regardless of skill relative to difficulty was deadly, potentially village-endingly so?
e: To clarify: It's stated that the chime series of seals are intended for absolute beginners (Sealing 1), correct? This being the case, over the course of researching all of them, there is a 89.99% chance that the researcher will experience a sealing failure. I cannot believe that the Nara would accept such an attrition rate.
...the QMs literally have a doc called this and I'm concerned it may have actually gotten compromised
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Sealing is, in the short term, a route to wealth, respect, and not needing to go on dangerous missions if you don't want to. In the long run it's one of only two or three routes to demi-godhood. Despite that, there are only 50 sealsmiths in Konoha and most of them are students. What does that tell you?
Cariyaga
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...that we need more points in sealing?
Let's see...
IIRC, Taijutsu requires Str*4, Dex*3, Stam*4, meaning to get Taijutsu 50 costs
Str 13 [182]
Dex 17 [306]
Stam 13 [182]
Taijutsu 50 [1275]
Total [1945]
so we'll use 1945XP as our value for how much a jonin specialty stat costs. Now, let's see how much Sealing we can buy with that...
37. A jonin sealmaster should have a Sealing level of 37. Unless my program's wrong. But that sounds about right, and it's not telling me something stupid like "530", like my first equation was.
IIRC, Taijutsu requires Str*4, Dex*3, Stam*4, meaning to get Taijutsu 50 costs
Str 13 [182]
Dex 17 [306]
Stam 13 [182]
Taijutsu 50 [1275]
Total [1945]
so we'll use 1945XP as our value for how much a jonin specialty stat costs. Now, let's see how much Sealing we can buy with that...
*fifteen minutes of trying and failing to find a neat way to do this mathmatically later, MadScientist gives up and writes a python script to do it inefficiently but fast*
*said script takes two and a half minutes to write, and outputs the result in like a second*
*head desk*
*said script takes two and a half minutes to write, and outputs the result in like a second*
*head desk*
37. A jonin sealmaster should have a Sealing level of 37. Unless my program's wrong. But that sounds about right, and it's not telling me something stupid like "530", like my first equation was.
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So been doing some math with regards to skywalkers and how long they last.
We know that skywalkers last for approximately 15 minutes. It takes roughly 5 minutes to scribe a seal. Since skywalkers are a paired seal and you need one for both your feet it would take 20 minutes to make a sit of them. When we were on the courier mission we where running for roughly 10 hours a day. That means the group was going 240 skywalkers. So we where basically spending 80 hours of skywalker production every day
We know that skywalkers last for approximately 15 minutes. It takes roughly 5 minutes to scribe a seal. Since skywalkers are a paired seal and you need one for both your feet it would take 20 minutes to make a sit of them. When we were on the courier mission we where running for roughly 10 hours a day. That means the group was going 240 skywalkers. So we where basically spending 80 hours of skywalker production every day
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Wait, have we ended up Out more than once?
Int 34 [1188]
Wits 12 [154]
Sealing 34 [595]
Total [1938]
I think it's even lower than 37. Using the character sheet as a basis, with only 1945 exp I can only get Hazou to sealing 34, since it requires wits 12 and intelligence 34.
If we do the equivalent for chunin level taijutsu, we get
Str 10 [108]
Dex 14 [208]
Stam 10 [108]
Taijutsu 40 [817]
Total [1241]
which is the equivalent of sealing 27.
Int 27 [754]
Wits 9[88]
Sealing 27 [378]
Total [1220]
How does our sealing score (20) stack up?
Int 20 [416]
Wits 7 [52]
Sealing 20 [210]
Total [682]
converts to
Str 8 [66]
Dex 10 [104]
Stam 8 [66]
Taijutsu 29 [432]
Total [680]
Sooo, we're a mediocre genin sealmaster? We're seven dice away (and 538 exp) from chunin sealing. Sealing dice are expensive, jeez.
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We have been leaning on Kagome pretty hard for activation's. We are more like the idiot Savant kid who can trace shit really well but has no fucking clue about activating seals.
To confirm the mechanic for activating sealing drops the difficulty with each activation?
IMO
Genin Sealer = I copied this from a book and now i can make things explode
Chunin Sealer = I made my own version of these seals and I am still alive
Jonin Sealer = I can create my own seal to create the effect I am after, let me just head off to the lab to research and iterative test it 1000 times
Master Sealer = Yeah I think I can do that, let me just make a seal right now to do that
Cariyaga
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That's not really how it works as far as I'm aware; ~10-15 Sealing is sufficient to infuse explosive seals/storage seals, at around 20 you can fairly safely do basic research into things related to those, or things around their difficulty (ie macerators, implosion seals, banshee seals, etc.).
Kagome has stated that we will be (approximately) safe to learn and infuse Skywalkers when we're around 27 in Sealing.
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...citation?
Cariyaga
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IIRC it was a QM meta-response to me doing the math that Kylinger posted above much earlier in the thread.
e: Went something like:
Me: It'd be around 27 to be Chuunin
QM: Incidentally that's about how much training [it wasn't put into the context of numbers directly in the post, IIRC] Kagome thinks you'll need to infuse skywalkers. You can research them now, with his help, but infusing them would be risky.
e2: Which makes sense, to be honest. IIRC having someone who knows the seal help you with research gets a 2/3 modifer to the TN, and 2/3 of 27 is 18, at which point Hazou would have a 71% chance of not failing. Granted, that's not particularly good odds, but.
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Tua
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It is more than good enough for someone as optimistic and carefree as Kagome. Sounds legit, IMO.
Cariyaga
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I find it unlikely that Kagome would know the exact odds.
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Oh, @Jello_Raptor, I still want to see a continuation. *nudge, nudge* I can be generous to those who satisfy my Shadowrun chakrapunk cravings....
Activating seals is easy, it's drawing them and infusing them that's hard. Every successful infusion reduces the infusion TN by 1. Every failed infusion reduces it by 5, because you usually learn more from failure than success.
Cariyaga
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I happen to know he's still working on it
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er. slight miscommunication then. Is the following correct?
1. Drawing/painting/carving/tattooing seals is the first check and the one Hazo is a Savant in. Seal is completely benign at this stage.
2. Activating/Infusion (ninja magic) is the hardest step and gets easier with repetition per seal. failure of this step are hilariously lethal. Seal is a loaded weapon at this stage.
3. Triggering is depended on the trigger mechanism defined by the seal. most triggers have no skill check required.
Known triggers
- Proximity (civilian usable)
- Chakra Pulse
- Chakra Pulse -> timer
- Pressure (civilian usable)
- Break beam of Chakra (civilian usable)
- Break Chakra String tripwire (civilian usable)
Cariyaga
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That looks accurate to me.
Raxner
The most dangerous man in an empty room
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Don't give up, and don't do things by half-measures!
For the next update, I introduce...
Action Plan: Drink Ourselves Fully To Death
- Get all the alcohol that Hazou can acquire, legitimately or otherwise
- Drink it
- If still alive, repeat process
If I'm not misunderstanding it, the Hazou spreadsheet indicates that Hazou's current level of 20 in sealing is also his cap. That means that he is not able to ever get any better at this ever again, I think?
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Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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It means we have to raise stats (read: int) to raise the cap before it can be leveled further.
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The terminology is slightly backward. The word 'activation' is used to describe the thing @TyrialFrost is calling 'triggering'. 'Infusion' is the one and only word for 'turning the seal from pretty calligraphy into a loaded weapon'.
Cariyaga
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No, the cap is modified by his attributes.