It's mainly this. I spent like a minute thinking of alternatives to the blood bioseal, accepting that (in the NPC's eyes) the alternatives would lose some win-probability against Akatsuki in exchange for gaining survive-probability for Hazou.
Potential complication with this: I think there is a significant risk that dying might lose us DotB. We've heard descriptions of souls being "washed clean" prior to reincarnation, and we had that probably-just-a-dream with Jashin:
I wouldn't call it likely that we'd lose DotB. But if I were designing a reincarnation system in MfD-verse, active Out contamination is the kind of thing I might prioritize removing.
Upside: If Hazou does the killing, we can finally unlock the elusive Mangekyo Iron Nerve.
Take it as evidence instead that we would rather be Orochimaru's bitch than Pain's bitch those appear to be the options on offer.
Huh, didn't notice that.
I would also emphasize here that stacking the deck as hard as possible against Akatsuki is necessary: not including Cannai, or Hazou's runes, or gambling on Hidan being bad at his speciality, is not worth the risk.
Sanity-check this section with Uplift, please please please.
Consider this alternative: "He's the greatest biosealer living, and we have no knowledge of the art; it would be trivial to place a malignant bioseal in us without our knowing."
Tsunade may be unavailable (NB: "Can not", not "will not") and may lack the expertise (though she has collaborated with Orochimaru on medical-related projects, hm...), but she probably has a good Orochimaru bullshit detector. Her asking Orochimaru if he's done something to Hazou would be one of the few times I would trust her response on, and she is one of the few capable of doing something about it, as well.
Personally feel as though Hazou should be a bit less blunt about it, but I'm also unsure how to improve it or if it even should be improved (as Orochimaru has utilized deadman's switches himself in the past, like against Kisame).
Hm. I'm not any good at staying up to date with the mechanics - does that knock us below the Sealing req to pick up Minatosealing, or is it only catastrophically slowing down our ability to level it up to something useful once we unlock it?
There's 26 hours left. I wanted to hear Noumero's thoughts on the segment.
Done.
Done.
Can you explain why you like this better? I prefer mine because maybe it wouldn't be trivial to place a malignant seal but we expect that it would be for him.
I don't understand this. Can you translate it into something actionable?
I think being blunt at the end of the conversation is going to be fine. Either he's mad mad mad and it won't matter (we might have aborted early) or he's acknowledging that we're being reasonable and this is going to pass just fine. I don't think there's a way to imply that our death would have serious consequences for him that isn't going to run the risk of pissing him off; I leave it to Pilot.
It does - MS requires Sealing 60, our base is still only 54. Not that we could reinvent Minatosealing in the Pure Lands anyway, without reference materials or chakra and possibly suffering XP drain - apart from anything else, swallowing the TH notes wouldn't get us the TH prereq by itself but would push is massively into stagnancy, and good look unstagnating in the Pure Lands.
I posted something about this a while back - see below:
Basically, we cannot just drop everything to learn biosealing, because of stagnancy. The teaching isn't an issue - if Oro agreed to this restriction he'd presumably also agree to teach us - but we need to raise our combat stats in order to unstagnate in order to get enough XP to do anything else.
I'll note that I don't suggest dropping everything - merely that our agreements be time-limited based on our ability to confirm that we're not maliciously biosealed. I don't think we should rush that and Orochimaru knows (intuitively) how the system/setting works so I don't expect him to say 'you have three months' or something like that unless he's being unreasonable, and if he's being unreasonable all hope is lost anyway.
Fair enough, and thanks. I'll go clean that up.
Just an alternative that also emphasizes that we (Hazou/Team Uplift) have no biosealing knowledge.
Getting Tsunade to talk with Orochimaru, either during or after the surgery, to confirm with him that he isn't/hasn't put anything else in Hazou, is an option to ensure peace of mind. I think the other option we could explore is having Naruto declare Hazou to be a Leaf-nin in good standing, which accomplishes much the same result if Orochimaru is still obeying the rules Tsunade browbeat him into following way back when.
Fair enough.
Sure - but under our current build progression plans I'd expect it to take years rather than months for us to get around to biosealing. (At least one year, at any rate.) If there are penalty clauses involved, Oro might well prefer not to be vulnerable for an indefinite period of time if we suddenly die for reasons unrelated to him.
Would removal win your vote? I'd like it in, but not more than I want to (hopefully) win.
i'd add my approval vote but i would not unvote Noumero's plan
[X] Action Plan: Negotiating as Men
Done.
I promise to push very hard to get it in a later plan. We won't have the same leverage to get an answer (probably) but I think we stand decent odds of getting an answer if we ask him during a research break.
I admit I also think this is probably a mistake - I'd love to know the answer, but as others have said, I don't want to cause Orochimaru to think about the fact that he calls us nephew and reevaluate whether he should.
I'm basically in the same group, except that I think a full Leaf assault without Hazou or Remote Explosives (as it would have to be to avoid Hidan detecting us while we set up the RERs) is actually probably more likely to fail than Oro's bioseals are to kill us. Attacking a heavily fortified position containing likely-at-least-four S-rankers plus a bunch of jounin, without offensive runes as an alpha strike, when large fractions of our assault force are SCs and can't take more than 1 physical stress, seems to me to be pretty much suicide - more so than accepting Oro's bioseals.
I don't think we'd be attacking a heavily fortified location without runes. We'd have 3 days of planning with Oro, Tsunade and Naruto on how to win that fight, and if a direct assault against the fortified position has such low odds then we'd just decide on a different tactic.
