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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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OliWhail said:
Caught this doing a quick skim and wanted to mention:
I don't believe the non-Sasuke remainder of the Uchiha population has been described in the thread.
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It has, albeit ages ago. At some point when we were discussing the clan council it was mentioned that a civilian was holding the post of Clan Head and generally abstaining from votes because Sasuke, as the only ninja, was in his minority.
 
OliWhail said:
Caught this doing a quick skim and wanted to mention:
I don't believe the non-Sasuke remainder of the Uchiha population has been described in the thread.
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I believe we have been told pretty definitively that Itachi only killed the Uchiha active ninja, sparing the elders, children, and civilians. From this we can infer that the Uchiha population as a whole has not gone down very far and new Uchiha ninja would start graduating within a couple years of the massacre. I wouldn't be surprised if the Uchiha already have a few Genin even younger than Sasuke running around doing D-ranks.

Vecht said:
Wow. I don't think we've ever heard Kagome actually swear.
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He has, but only when dealing with sealing failures. It's an interesting insight into how his threat levels are calibrated.
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The thing was made of blades, a complex, intersecting arrangement of blades that looked like it should cut itself to pieces on moving, much less manage any sort of coordinated activity like standing up. The arrangement at the top, in the head position, was pointed forward, in a fashion uncomfortably reminiscent of a bird's skull.

While Hazō was still watching, fascinated, Kagome-sensei reacted instantly.

"Fuck me, it's a rift!" he yelled, detonating the first of his explosive traps.

Coming from directly beneath the creature, the explosion shattered it to pieces. Blades flew in every direction. Several blew chunks out of the protective MEW wall.

"I wouldn't do that again, Kagome-sensei," Hazō said warily.

In front of them, the sheet was bulging again.

"Oh, no."

This time, several creatures fell out at once, and when they rose, they began to look around, their bird skull heads turning eerily back and forth while the bodies stayed still.

Kagome-sensei gritted his teeth. "Those things look dangerous as hell. Rift Protocol Three."

The two sealmasters charged.
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Nice chapter @eaglejarl .

Caught up on the thread afterwards (that took awhile). Some thoughts had.

My first thought upon reaching the end of the update was some variant of "huzzah, a decision to be made in the quest!!" I know the rest of you rascals like your detailed plans and whatnot, but for me I generally like it more when we're making direct decisions. And Y/N on the contract is certainly that.

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As @Rafin and @Torpling said I'm glad to see some Uplifting in action. I don't think it's exaggeration to say that Hazou did more objective and immediate good this chapter then he's done at any other point in the entire quest. That's something to be applauded.

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So far as the whole baby thing... okay I'm gonna lay it out straight to all yinz, since I respect you. QMs, please look away for the next bit (I respect you too, but in a different way):

As things are going this quest will literally never get to the point where Hazou actually has to father any children. We've been consistently running half-day plans, for Pete's sake. It's like an eccentric billionaire offering a terminally ill man a billion dollars so long as he agrees to let the billionaire eat his leg 5 years from now. Just take the money, say thank you, and proceed to die of natural causes well before the debt is due. Except in this case the terminally ill man also has mob debts and will die next week if he doesn't pay them back.

If by some miracle we're still questing and Hazou is still alive and the Goketsu and Uchiha are still political entities 3 years from now in-game then we can burn that bridge when we come to it.

If by some further miracle (or anti-miracle, as case may be) the bridge isn't flammable and Hazou has to follow through then oh well. For all you consequentialists out there the value to inter-clan relations, the good Uplift will have done in the intervening years of being not-dead, etc. far outweighs the arguable costs of all of this: We murdered a boat and barely lost a night's sleep, for ****'s sake. For you not-consequentialists... well I hear several other people on the thread are up to telling you how this is actually all morally okay all-round, so there's that.

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So far as my own stance I say yeah go for it, sign on the dotted line with minimal modifications. Throw in some consent-affirming language, visitation rights, whatever floats our collective boat without changing the core of the deal.

I seriously doubt that retaining IN children is in the cards, given that the Kurosawa-baby clause is there in the first place. I certainly wouldn't give up the deal or make any significant concessions elsewhere for the sake of keeping the IN out of Uchiha hands. If >15 years from now when these children become economically/politically relevant Goketsu will actually be severely undercut by the Uchiha having some IN users then many many other things would already have gone wrong for the thread already.
 
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OliWhail said:
Caught this doing a quick skim and wanted to mention:
I don't believe the non-Sasuke remainder of the Uchiha population has been described in the thread.
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Wasnt it outright said that Itachi killed everyone in the clan except the non-ninjas and Sasuke, and that the remainder of the clan put all their resources into getting the best trainers and such for Sasuke because he's the best hope they have to not die off or whatever? I am almost completely certain this was said.
 
Shadowwarp said:
Wasnt it outright said that Itachi killed everyone in the clan except the non-ninjas and Sasuke, and that the remainder of the clan put all their resources into getting the best trainers and such for Sasuke because he's the best hope they have to not die off or whatever? I am almost completely certain this was said.
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No. It was specifically said he killed all the active Ninja. He left the children and civilians alone. Sasuke is one of the first to graduate (but probably not the first), and as the son of the previous Head he's next in line. He might be the first to awaken his Sharigan, though.
 
Kurkistan said:
So far as the whole baby-thing... okay I'm gonna lay it out straight to all yinz, since I respect you. QMs, please look away for the next bit (I respect you too, but in a different way):

As things are going this quest will literally never get to the point where Hazou actually has to father any children. We've been consistently running half-day plans, for Pete's sake. It's like an eccentric billionaire offering a terminally ill man a billion dollars so long as he agrees to let the billionaire eat his leg 5 years from now. Just take the money, say thank you, and proceed to die of natural causes well before the debt is due. Except in this case the terminally ill man also has mob debts and will die next week if he doesn't pay them back.

If by some miracle we're still questing and Hazou is still alive and the Goketsu and Uchiha are still political entities 3 years from now in-game then we can burn that bridge when we come to it.

If by some further miracle (or anti-miracle, as case may be) the bridge isn't flammable and Hazou has to follow through then oh well. For all you consequentialists out there the value to inter-clan relations, the good Uplift will have done in the intervening years of being not-dead, etc. far outweighs the arguable costs of all of this: We murdered a boat and barely lost a night's sleep, for ****'s sake. For you not-consequentialists... well I hear several other people on the thread are up to telling you how this is actually all morally okay all-round, so there's that.
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First off, it's worth noting that we do expect things to pick up after this arc is over (give or take). Once we stop having to rampantly politic all over the place and set up multiple different industries our main goals will be things like 'grind chakra for Shadow Clone' or 'work on our research backlog', both things that require a lot of IC time and rather little screen-time, and therefore time will pass much faster than now, where the actions we're taking require very little IC time and a lot of screen time. In other words, three years from now may be sooner than you think.

Second off, the core of the contract comes into effect three years from now, but we start dealing with it almost immediately. If we accept, almost a dozen girls our age will move into the Goketsu compound, actually literally living with us, all of them knowing that in a few years they'll start raising hopefully-ninja children, and all of them excited at the prospect because of how it'll benefit them, the Uchiha, and even Leaf in general. In other words, effective immediately Hazou starts having to deal with almost a dozen girls in a quazi-romantic relationship with him that he does not reciprocate. He may learn to love them, or find other arrangements, but make no mistake, taking this deal has immediate costs for Hazou's mental state.

I still feel like it's all worth it to get the Uchiha abstaining so Asuma can win the hat, but I wouldn't model this as a consequence-less decision because the core of it takes place three years from now.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
It has, albeit ages ago. At some point when we were discussing the clan council it was mentioned that a civilian was holding the post of Clan Head and generally abstaining from votes because Sasuke, as the only ninja, was in his minority.
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I believe there are other ninja in the clan, but he's the only one who is actually field-capable or feasible as a Clan Head.

Vecht said:
Wow. I don't think we've ever heard Kagome actually swear.
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Inferno Vulpix said:
He has, but only when dealing with sealing failures. It's an interesting insight into how his threat levels are calibrated.
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At least one other time:

eaglejarl said:
"I've been missing for fifteen years because my bosses betrayed me twice," Kagome said, a hint of a snarl hiding bashfully behind the words. "There is exactly one thing I still care about, and that's my team. Kurosawa Hazō, Wakahisa Noburi, Mori Keiko, Ishihara Akane, Inoue Mari. Jiraiya, I suppose. A lot of people say things like 'Anything that hurts them does so over my dead body.' Fuck that. Nothing hurts them, period. If that means wiping out every living thing within ten miles, I'm fine with that."
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TarzanNn said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail there was a query from you for hm to invent Seals that Jiraiya left for us. We submited some designs but, unless I missed some important update, you haven't provide any comments on them and didn't tell whether you have enough ideas to pick from.

So what's up with them? Do you need more? Did you liked those you've seen? Should we keep inventing them?
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We're all running pretty close to 'E' at the moment, so please bear with us.
 
Shadowwarp said:
Hazo isn't even 15, yet he has been a professional child soldier whose part of an elite warrior caste for the past 4 years, and is currently the leader of noble ninja clan that helps run the village (and therefore the entire country). I seriously doubt Hazo of all people wouldn't consider a person his age an adult.
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'Is this person an adult?' is the wrong question. 'What's a good age to get married?' is the right question.

It is possible that Hazou would believe that a person should wait a bit before getting married or having children.

Think of it this way; do you think it's best that people should get married at the same age they become adults? Or is it perhaps best they mature a bit more?

Our belief is more drastic than Hazou's likely is, but he may have the same belief to a lesser degree. 'Wait until you're old and mature, like 18' or whatever wouldn't be terribly surprising.
 
Oh, right. Someone was asking if the deal is for 3 Kurosawa-fathered kids total or per year.

It's per year. All 11 of those then-women need to get pregnant by a ninja every single year. Each year, at least 3 of them need to get pregnant by a ninja who was born to the Kurosawa clan.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
First off, it's worth noting that we do expect things to pick up after this arc is over (give or take). Once we stop having to rampantly politic all over the place and set up multiple different industries our main goals will be things like 'grind chakra for Shadow Clone' or 'work on our research backlog', both things that require a lot of IC time and rather little screen-time, and therefore time will pass much faster than now, where the actions we're taking require very little IC time and a lot of screen time. In other words, three years from now may be sooner than you think.
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Fair enough, the current pace isn't the complete norm, I'd agree. Still, I have little doubt that exciting/piecemeal/attention-demanding things will happen in the next few in-game years, no matter how much time-skipping we plan to have.

Inferno Vulpix said:
Second off, the core of the contract comes into effect three years from now, but we start dealing with it almost immediately. If we accept, almost a dozen girls our age will move into the Goketsu compound, actually literally living with us, all of them knowing that in a few years they'll start raising hopefully-ninja children, and all of them excited at the prospect because of how it'll benefit them, the Uchiha, and even Leaf in general. In other words, effective immediately Hazou starts having to deal with almost a dozen girls in a quazi-romantic relationship with him that he does not reciprocate. He may learn to love them, or find other arrangements, but make no mistake, taking this deal has immediate costs for Hazou's mental state.

I still feel like it's all worth it to get the Uchiha abstaining so Asuma can win the hat, but I wouldn't model this as a consequence-less decision because the core of it takes place three years from now.
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I'd considered addressing this in my post, but left it off because it is, as you rightly point out, much less cut and dry and in the future than the rest.

My main thought here is a somewhat meta "given the interests of the QMs/playerbase/SV-as-a-forum the story probably won't dwell overmuch on harem-like shenanigans". This paired with my read of the rest of the thread as not much caring about this more immediate consequence, so it not being something I needed to address in any detail for my core argument to persuade any persuadables.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
'Is this person an adult?' is the wrong question. 'What's a good age to get married?' is the right question.

It is possible that Hazou would believe that a person should wait a bit before getting married or having children.

Think of it this way; do you think it's best that people should get married at the same age they become adults? Or is it perhaps best they mature a bit more?

Our belief is more drastic than Hazou's likely is, but he may have the same belief to a lesser degree. 'Wait until you're old and mature, like 18' or whatever wouldn't be terribly surprising.
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This is probably a better way to approach the situation. For another example, the question 'when is a good time to start working full-time at your trade' has the answer 'when you're physically able to so you can start gaining experience'. A carpenter's son starts working younger than we'd expect someone to 'go into the workforce' because they're apprenticed to their dad and as long as they aren't being overburdened there's little reason not to make use of the extra hands around the house and prepare them for being a proper carpenter.

I imagine if you break down each of the 'adulting' components and ask this question on them, you'd start finding people agreeing more clearly on what ages correspond to what metrics, and at that point there's little reason for the aggregate term 'adult' at all and you can just use the accumulated use cases and extrapolate if needbe.
 
...I just came up with a terrible, terrible idea.

We *shouldn't* do this except as a last resort because it will really piss the Uchiha off.

There is a way we can fulfill the contract without giving them the Iron Nerve. As a side benefit it mostly preserves Hazou's sanity.

We have to give them children fathered by someone born to the Kurosawa clan, but there are ways for someone to be born to the clan without having the Iron Nerve. If their parents were adopted in, or if they were born to clan civilians, they would be part of the clan but might not have the bloodline. It's also possible that not every child of an Iron Nerve parent has the bloodline, but I'm not sure about the odds. Also, a Kurosawa with the sharingan wouldn't pass on the Iron Nerve, I think. Or the sharingan, for that matter, which is something of a pity because it would make the Uchiha happy after all.

So, we just need to know if there are any Kurosawa male ninja who don't have the bloodline because of those circumstances. Then we give Ren whatever she wants to borrow them (sending the civilian girls to Mist, probably) to technically fulfill our responsibilities to the Uchiha without giving them what they're really bargaining for. But because it satisfies the letter of the agreement their honor will require that they fulfill the letter of the agreement on their end, too.
 
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Bah, this update has me low key distressed. There's a whole pile of problems we need to deal with ASAP. I mean we need to get a better idea of what we're going to do about them, even if that's not relevant to the next plan.
  1. Mari's mental health, something is getting worse in there and we need to do something about it.
  2. We will have two things tomorrow morning: A pile of grateful civilians who have lost their homes, and a large plot of land perfect for building on. We should capitalize on this ASAP.
    1. Something like offering lodgings for a good while to those displaced by the sealing mishap.
    2. Giving a way for the most valuable of them (esp. Those with marketable skills.) to join the clan.
  3. There's also an open market for sealing grade paper we should look into, and we should look into entering the market.
  4. I am far from convinced we can get a gross income of 10-15 million ryo per month in short order.
    1. Given we're contemplating multiple ongoing payments of more than 1 million ryo a month, need to conspicuously consume as a social move, want to reinvest money into businesses, and a pile of other things besides, we need fast stable sources of money.
    2. We need this income flow in about a month. maybe two, given that we've got about a month of runway.
  5. The Uchiha offer is a problem. There are a whole pile of tradeoffs we need to grapple with as a hivemind before making a decision.
    1. The well being of the people who are given to our clan.
    2. The need for more civilians to take care of the people are given to our clan.
    3. The consent and good treatment of women who are sent to us.
      1. One child a year will wear on them a lot, doubly so when those children are taken away. Even if there are visitation rights and stuff.
    4. The good treatment of the babies.
    5. Hazou's mental health.
    6. The loss of the Iron Nerve to another clan, along with attendant sealing benefits.
    7. Naruto's thoughts on the topic, he absolutely needs to be part of this discussion even now.
    8. The fact that the population of the EN is declining, and we need people to
  6. We also need to consider that we can probably find clanless civilians who would be willing to do the same for us. Probably in the group who are in the backyard.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
...I just came up with a terrible, terrible idea.

We *shouldn't* do this except as a last resort because it will really piss the Uchiha off.

There is a way we can fulfill the contract without giving them the Iron Nerve. As a side benefit it mostly preserves Hazou's sanity.

We have to give them children fathered by someone born to the Kurosawa clan, but there are ways for someone to be born to the clan without having the Iron Nerve. If their parents were adopted in, or if they were born to clan civilians, they would be part of the clan but might not have the bloodline. It's also possible that not every child of an Iron Nerve parent has the bloodline, but I'm not sure about the odds. Also, a Kurosawa with the sharingan wouldn't pass on the Iron Nerve, I think. Or the sharingan, for that matter, which is something of a pity because it would make the Uchiha happy after all.

So, we just need to know if there are any Kurosawa male ninja who don't have the bloodline because of those circumstances. Then we give Ren whatever she wants to borrow them (sending the civilian girls to Mist, probably) to technically fulfill our responsibilities to the Uchiha without giving them what they're really bargaining for. But because it satisfies the letter of the agreement their honor will require that they fulfill the letter of the agreement on their end, too.
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Point of order, regarding this, and all the other attempts to find loopholes in the deal that have been mentioned both in-thread and on discord: We don't actually know the letter of the agreement or the specifics of the deal. We have Mari's brief summary of a rather lengthy. and presumably complicated, contract.
 
Jello_Raptor said:
Bah, this update has me low key distressed. There's a whole pile of problems we need to deal with ASAP. I mean we need to get a better idea of what we're going to do about them, even if that's not relevant to the next plan.
  1. Mari's mental health, something is getting worse in there and we need to do something about it.
  2. We will have two things tomorrow morning: A pile of grateful civilians who have lost their homes, and a large plot of land perfect for building on. We should capitalize on this ASAP.
    1. Something like offering lodgings for a good while to those displaced by the sealing mishap.
    2. Giving a way for the most valuable of them (esp. Those with marketable skills.) to join the clan.
  3. There's also an open market for sealing grade paper we should look into, and we should look into entering the market.
  4. I am far from convinced we can get a gross income of 10-15 million ryo per month in short order.
    1. Given we're contemplating multiple ongoing payments of more than 1 million ryo a month, need to conspicuously consume as a social move, want to reinvest money into businesses, and a pile of other things besides, we need fast stable sources of money.
    2. We need this income flow in about a month. maybe two, given that we've got about a month of runway.
  5. The Uchiha offer is a problem. There are a whole pile of tradeoffs we need to grapple with as a hivemind before making a decision.
    1. The well being of the people who are given to our clan.
    2. The need for more civilians to take care of the people are given to our clan.
    3. The consent and good treatment of women who are sent to us.
      1. One child a year will wear on them a lot, doubly so when those children are taken away. Even if there are visitation rights and stuff.
    4. The good treatment of the babies.
    5. Hazou's mental health.
    6. The loss of the Iron Nerve to another clan, along with attendant sealing benefits.
    7. Naruto's thoughts on the topic, he absolutely needs to be part of this discussion even now.
    8. The fact that the population of the EN is declining, and we need people to
  6. We also need to consider that we can probably find clanless civilians who would be willing to do the same for us. Probably in the group who are in the backyard.
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An excellent summary.

Incidentally, I kind of assumed that the women would get to raise their kids at least; good catch on how that might not be true.

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Point of order, regarding this, and all the other attempts to find loopholes in the deal that have been mentioned both in-thread and on discord: We don't actually know the letter of the agreement or the specifics of the deal. We have Mari's brief summary of a rather lengthy. and presumably complicated, contract.
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True. Although I think it's telling that the same phrasing was used several times. Not 'Someone with the Iron Nerve' but 'Someone born into the Kurosawa clan'.

What other ideas came up to find loopholes?
 
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I do believe we need to modify the Uchina agreement in one way at least...as written it effects all of our clan, we need at least an exemption for Hanzo and his wife. Offspring from the 11, ya play that sucks but whatever. Offspring from our main relationship...no.
 
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I do believe we need to modify the Uchina agreement in one way at least...as written it effects all of our clan, we need at least an exemption for Hanzo and his wife. Offspring from the 11, ya play that sucks but whatever. Offspring from our main relationship...no.
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I believe that would only occur if one of them was born with the sharingan. Something to consider though; it might impact Hazou's marriage prospects.

Of course, I'm against all this anyway.
 
That deal feels pretty steep.

Considering that the Uchiha are pulling in favors and spending what they have to get Sasuke trained, would an offer of empowering him or the genin gives us an alternative to this deal? Routine sparring? Tutoring? Maybe being an educated by Kagome.

They'd sacrifice numbers for quality. I mean the personal attention of a clan like Goketsu has to be pretty sweet too.

I would basically offer to empower them without the obligation of a harem. What they want is Sharingan babies, but techniques, strategies, tactics, education, and other skills should be as jealously guarded as bloodlines.

I guess we could offer to court only Uchiha women after Hazo is 18 for a set number of years.

Just an idea.
 
Hmm, I've got an idea. We've got about 250 civilians who have been displaced and are homeless on our property.

A few hours tomorrow morning to set the ball rolling on all of this is a good way to cement our reputation among the civilians.

I know this is super long and can be trimmed a lot, I'll focus on optimizing the wordcount and stuff later. I'd appreciate functional critiques ASAP though.

[x] Action Plan: An offer you can refuse
  • Tell the civilians in our backyard that:
    • We will continue to offer them lodging in the log cabin for a month or so, no conditions asked. (It'll be in this building though)
      • Food will be provided for at least the next week, also no questions asked, to civilians and children.
    • We are willing to pay them for labor in the short term (up to 3 months):
      • Helping repair and tend the compound.
      • Taking care of the old and infirm who can't take care of themselves.
      • Finding other civilians who have been displaced by the sealing failure.
      • Labor for Kenta or those civilian merchants who are close to us. (We will at least partially subsidize their pay.)
      • Labor for those skilled traders we support.
      • Those who have other useful skills and are considering working for us, mention what those skills are and we might be willing to hire you more permanently or even offer you clan membership.
    • To those who know a skilled trade:
      • We are willing to help you get your trade restarted with (admittedly small) loans, given that you can provide a half decent accounting of what you would need, and prove that you have skills.
        • No interest, flexible payment plan.
      • Those who have particularly valuable skills, along with their immediate families, may be offered conditional membership in the clan immidiately.
      • Those who can prove their value to the clan over a longer period may also be offered clan membership.
    • Families or women who are of child bearing age who are willing to bear and help raise ninja children:
      • Full membership in the clan is conditional on having two ninja children, and helping raise those children.
      • All their children, ninja or not, will be official clan members.
    • Anyone who chooses to work with us and performs well can potentially be offered membership in the clan.
      • You chances are better if you can work with others well.
      • There is no quota or limited number of open slots in the clan for civilians, we will not look kindly on any sabotage of each other.
    • Anyone who is offered conditional membership in the clan and remains of good standing after a handful of years will become a full member of the clan.
    • If you only need this support for a short while, then you are welcome to use it for a short while. We will not force you into the clan.
  • We budget 2,000,000 ryo towards this over the next few months, inclusive of the loans we give out.
  • To all of our friendly merchants:
    • Try to hire extra labor from this pool.
    • For the next 3 months you will only have to pay 25% of their salary, we will pay them the rest indirectly.
    • We'll work out longer term considerations later.
  • Ask Kenta to help deal with the refugees, delegate as needed, hire people as needed, look for good workers from among the refugees.
    • For the next week:
      • Focus on making sure people have food, water, sanitary facilities, and other necessities.
      • Children take priority if there's not enough to go around.
      • Get information from those who are considering taking us up on their offer. Their name, age, skills, etc..
      • Those with skilled trades who would like our support:
        • Get a good accounting of what their trades are, what support they want, and what resources they need.
      • Those who are willing to work for us immidiately and aren't needed to help with any of the above are to:
        • Find other displaced civilians who didn't make it to our cabin last night.
        • Assist cleanup efforts, offer themselves as free labor to those who are working on those efforts.
        • Don't worry, we'll pay them for their work directly.
    • We'll focus on the longer term after the next few days are done.
  • Find Naruto, update him on the above, ask him to find useful recovery work for the civvies we have, and direct those who need the help to us.

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2mm / mo for the Hagoromo
1mm / mo for the Uchiha
~700k / mo for the mortgage and COL

10mm in the bank.

More than a month of runway, yes?
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Two maybe three months before you count:
  • Investment opportunities
  • The hospital we want to start
  • Other potential bribes for other clans
  • A possible increase in the Uchiha payment as part of an alternate proposal.
  • Humanitarian concerns and relief efforts
  • Till-n-Fill subsidization
  • Expansion of our influence in the other cities of Fire, through merchants.
  • Money needed to restart what we can of Jiraiya's spy networks and business income.
  • My plan above.
What you mention is a minimum budget, and we're going to bootstrap hard in the upcoming few weeks. Between the sealing failure and BotG, everything is in flux, and this is when we need to exploit it.
 
Orisha91 said:
That deal feels pretty steep.

Considering that the Uchiha are pulling in favors and spending what they have to get Sasuke trained, would an offer of empowering him or the genin gives us an alternative to this deal? Routine sparring? Tutoring? Maybe being an educated by Kagome.

They'd sacrifice numbers for quality. I mean the personal attention of a clan like Goketsu has to be pretty sweet too.

I would basically offer to empower them without the obligation of a harem. What they want is Sharingan babies, but techniques, strategies, tactics, education, and other skills should be as jealously guarded as bloodlines.

I guess we could offer to court only Uchiha women after Hazo is 18 for a set number of years.

Just an idea.
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The Uchiha need all the ninja they can get to repopulate the clan over the coming generation, or they risk becoming irrelevant. That's what this is primarily about, giving them 20 new ninja. The Iron Nerve and the piles of money are bonuses on top of that. The Iron Nerve because they've always wanted it for reasons (suspicious AF, something is going on there) and the money because they lost almost all their income when they lost almost all their ninja. They're probably bleeding money just paying expenses.

If we can come up with another deal that gets them the ninja and the money they need to survive, they might take it. Any deal that does not resolve those two existential problems somehow is unlikely to be accepted.
 
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