Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

firestorm440 · Apr 28, 2019

Sentient Tree said:
An alternative alliance could be with Uchiha, maybe? It would probably be more equal, since they are at a low point and we are just starting out. Just like us they'll eventually become very powerful with time (us because of training tons of sealmasters, them because of more people being born with the Sharingan). On the other hand, right now they're even weaker than us and don't have a lot to offer. Their ramp up time to becoming awesome is slower than us too, since they need to raise Sharingan users from babies while we can just recruit clanless to be new sealmasters.

Way I see it, the main asset Cousin has to offer right now is prestige. The Sharingan is an iconic and massively powerful bloodline that's been Leaf as long as there's been a Leaf. As you said, it's less weight than ISC, but also more equal than ISC. Unfortunately, even Uchiha-ISC-us still likely won't be able to stand up to hypothetical bastard Hiashi without J-man in town. With J-man in town, ISC doesn't outweigh us by THAT much.

faflec said:
Yeah, that's a...good point.

Can we edit last sub-bullet of 2nd bullet to end with "if team concurs"?

Enjou · Apr 28, 2019

[X] Continue Prior Plan

Sentient Tree · Apr 28, 2019

MMKII said:
Postscript: "By the way if you could somehow use this money to make Hiashi no longer exist within the next week in an untraceable manner that would be beyond great. Thanks uncle Oro!"

In America, this is the kind of thing that gets you investigated by a special counsel. Let's not.

Edit:
But don't worry, Leaf has a different system of governance than America. They'll probably just send us straight to T&I.

OliWhail · Apr 28, 2019

Immortal Lurker said:
any memetic defenses will be weak

Memetic defenses will be weak, precommittment is the winning strategy, and information-theoretic coercion is a new one.

I love this fucking thread

Enjou · Apr 28, 2019

Inferno Vulpix said:
Given that it's been two days, the raid might be over already. We should ask Keiko to check in with the Toads and ask if they've heard any news.

I'd imagine Keiko would already be doing this. I don't see why Keiko wouldn't be checking in like she normally does.

faflec · Apr 28, 2019

firestorm440 said:
Can we edit last sub-bullet of 2nd bullet to end with "if team concurs"?

You mean the part where they send the message to Orochimaru? Because the first sub-bullet of the second bullet has us getting the team's agreement, and then Jiraiya's.

Emstar · Apr 28, 2019

@faflec @Oneiros

Would you be willing to put a section in your respective plans investigating this "Clanless nin cant learn certain stuff its illegal" bullshit? Maybe with Grandma Librarian Lady?

(We might just have to pick up a license or something really and then go forward from there, and the sad fact is that no one does this regularly for clanless folk

)

Oneiros · Apr 28, 2019

MMKII said:
@faflec @Oneiros

Would you be willing to put a section in your respective plans investigating this "Clanless nin cant learn stuff its illegal" bullshit? Maybe with Grandma Librarian Lady?

Let me take a look to find word count and get back to you

faflec · Apr 28, 2019

MMKII said:
@faflec @Oneiros

Would you be willing to put a section in your respective plans investigating this "Clanless nin cant learn certain stuff its illegal" bullshit? Maybe with Grandma Librarian Lady?

(We might just have to pick up a license or something really and then go forward from there, and the sad fact is that no one does this regularly for clanless folk )

I have this already added:

faflec said:
Help out clanless ninja with good records.

Try emulating Ami's favor economy. Offer healing, seals, training, or advance warning before we fund mission bounties (till'n'fills).

Investigate Leaf policy on teaching Sealing, MedNin, and Technique Hacking.

Did you want me to be more specific, or...?

Emstar · Apr 28, 2019

faflec said:
Did you want me to be more specific, or...?

I would prefer implementation level details to be mentioned, even if its just as a starting point, yeah.

faflec · Apr 28, 2019

MMKII said:
I would prefer implementation level details to be mentioned, even if its just as a starting point, yeah.

So...what, "check the library"? I can't think of any other ways we can check. Maybe ask ISC?

Edit: Well, I added the above. Will sleep on things and try to figure out if there's anything else then.

faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Manor Snakes

Word Count: 297

Ask Keiko to check if Jiraiya survived/won via Pangolins.

Consider sending a message to Orochimaru.

Talk with our teammates IFF it's safe (secure + full OPSEC protection). If they agree, get Jiraiya's approval/help.

Concern: If Hiashi comes back but Jiraiya doesn't, we may be FUBAR.

Tsunade hates politics, ISC could distance themselves...

We need to get allies and survive Hiashi, Orochimaru could be an option.

Hazou wants to establish a secure contact method.

Securely send the message via Summoning Realm.

Get settled in Leaf.

Hug Mari. We missed her.

Update her and Kagome on everything. Ask what's happened since we left.

If something super traumatic happened, make sure nobody does anything stupid, especially us.

Get to work. Discuss and work together with the clan.

Investigate Merchant Council members' finances, rumours, and political affiliation.

Maybe Keiko's fans might have information?

Talk to Kagome at length about what he's been up to.

You once expressed interest in writing. Are you still interested? How can we help?

Has he talked with Ebisu, and has he approved Kagome's teaching methods to the Academy?

Offer to invite the Academy Headmaster to a fancy dinner to help further Kagome's educational agenda.

Continue funding till'n'fills (up to 両100,000).

Pay a logistics officer (or ask Keiko) to collect data on till-n-fill distributions.

Let Nakano's team (and Yūdai) know beforehand.

Arrange some lunches or game nights with other Acting Clan Heads (ISC, Shino, Kiba...) to establish better rapport.

Help out clanless ninja with good records.

Try emulating Ami's favor economy. Offer healing, seals, training, or advance warning before we fund mission bounties (till'n'fills).

Investigate Leaf policy on teaching Sealing, MedNin, and Technique Hacking.

Consult the library/lawbooks.

Ask ISC.

Invite Akane over to eat, train...simple stuff.

She's our sister. We're bringing her home.

Oneiros · Apr 28, 2019

MMKII said:
@faflec @Oneiros

Would you be willing to put a section in your respective plans investigating this "Clanless nin cant learn certain stuff its illegal" bullshit? Maybe with Grandma Librarian Lady?

(We might just have to pick up a license or something really and then go forward from there, and the sad fact is that no one does this regularly for clanless folk )

Added this. Have 17 more words to spend

Oneiros said:
Look into legality of teaching clanless

Emstar · Apr 28, 2019

faflec said:
So...what, "check the library"? I can't think of any other ways we can check. Maybe ask ISC?

Check the library, ask a tower clerk for the laws concerning this, or better yet ask Ebisu!

TaliesinSkye · Apr 28, 2019

firestorm440 said:
Way I see it, the main asset Cousin has to offer right now is prestige. The Sharingan is an iconic and massively powerful bloodline that's been Leaf as long as there's been a Leaf. As you said, it's less weight than ISC, but also more equal than ISC. Unfortunately, even Uchiha-ISC-us still likely won't be able to stand up to hypothetical bastard Hiashi without J-man in town. With J-man in town, ISC doesn't outweigh us by THAT much.

We might be able to get two further council votes in Sarutobi (they seem sane enough that they might be persuaded) and Senju, if Tsunade were to claim the seat. That might solidly outvote any coalition Hiashi could put together.

Oneiros said:
Luckily Kei has a contract with someone perfect for the mission

That helps, but it sounds like one extremely dangerous mission. There's a chance even the Snake border guards would kill the messenger, much less everyone in between.

Kiba · Apr 28, 2019

[X] Continue Prior Plan

Oneiros · Apr 28, 2019

MMKII said:
Check the library, ask a tower clerk for the laws concerning this, or better yet ask Ebisu!

Implemented all 3!

firestorm440 · Apr 28, 2019

faflec said:
You mean the part where they send the message to Orochimaru? Because the first sub-bullet of the second bullet has us getting the team's agreement, and then Jiraiya's.

Oh, oops, missed that, we good.

Inferno Vulpix · Apr 28, 2019

[X] Action Plan: Manor Snakes

faflec · Apr 28, 2019

MMKII said:
Check the library, ask a tower clerk for the laws concerning this, or better yet ask Ebisu!

Done.

faflec said:
[X] Action Plan: Manor Snakes

Word Count: 298

Ask Keiko to check if Jiraiya survived/won via Pangolins.

Consider sending a message to Orochimaru.

Talk with our teammates IFF it's safe (secure + full OPSEC protection). If they agree, get Jiraiya's approval/help.

Concern: If Hiashi comes back but Jiraiya doesn't, we may be FUBAR.

Tsunade hates politics, ISC could distance themselves...

We need to get allies and survive Hiashi, Orochimaru could be an option.

Hazou wants to establish a secure contact method.

Securely send the message via Summoning Realm.

Get settled in Leaf.

Hug Mari. We missed her.

Update her and Kagome on everything. Ask what's happened since we left.

If something super traumatic happened, make sure nobody does anything stupid, especially us.

Get to work. Discuss and work together with the clan.

Investigate Merchant Council members' finances, rumours, and political affiliation.

Maybe Keiko's fans might have information?

Talk to Kagome at length about what he's been up to.

You once expressed interest in writing. Are you still interested? How can we help?

Has he talked with Ebisu, and has he approved Kagome's teaching methods to the Academy?

Offer to invite the Academy Headmaster to a fancy dinner to help further Kagome's educational agenda.

Continue funding till'n'fills (up to 両100,000).

Pay a logistics officer (or ask Keiko) to collect data on till-n-fill distributions.

Let Nakano's team (and Yūdai) know beforehand.

Arrange some lunches or game nights with other Acting Clan Heads (ISC, Shino, Kiba...) to establish better rapport.

Help out clanless ninja with good records.

Try emulating Ami's favor economy. Offer healing, seals, training, or advance warning before we fund mission bounties (till'n'fills).

Investigate Leaf policy on teaching Sealing, MedNin, and Technique Hacking.

Consult the library, a tower clerk, Ebisu...

Invite Akane over to eat, train...simple stuff.

She's our sister. We're bringing her home.

Adhoc vote count started by faflec on Apr 28, 2019 at 11:43 PM, finished with 113 posts and 14 votes.

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6 people have voted
[X] Action plan: Speak to the snake
- Oneiros
- Emstar
- Cariyaga
- fiirofa
- Twinnstars
- Immortal Lurker
6 people have voted
[X] Continue Prior Plan
- Cariyaga
- TaliesinSkye
- Shard
- Enjou
- Kiba
- Immortal Lurker
6 people have voted
[X] Action Plan: Manor Snakes
- faflec
- organicAI
- Cariyaga
- Emstar
- Sentient Tree
- Inferno Vulpix
1 people have voted
[X] Action plan: One Spelling Will Bring It Down
- Emstar

Adhoc vote count started by faflec on Apr 28, 2019 at 11:57 PM, finished with 114 posts and 15 votes.

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7 people have voted
[X] Continue Prior Plan
- Cariyaga
- TaliesinSkye
- Shard
- Enjou
- Kiba
- jy3
- Immortal Lurker
6 people have voted
[X] Action plan: Speak to the snake
- Oneiros
- Emstar
- Cariyaga
- fiirofa
- Twinnstars
- Immortal Lurker
6 people have voted
[X] Action Plan: Manor Snakes
- faflec
- organicAI
- Cariyaga
- Emstar
- Sentient Tree
- Inferno Vulpix
1 people have voted
[X] Action plan: One Spelling Will Bring It Down
- Emstar

jy3 · Apr 28, 2019

[X] Continue Prior Plan

firestorm440 · Apr 29, 2019

TaliesinSkye said:
We might be able to get two further council votes in Sarutobi (they seem sane enough that they might be persuaded) and Senju, if Tsunade were to claim the seat. That might solidly outvote any coalition Hiashi could put together.

Those are a lot of possibilities. For the record, I would prefer we stay in Leaf if at all possible, but I'd rather explore alternatives than get caught with our pants down.

Finally, @faflec what do you think about adding a direct quote from J-man when he discussed the implications of Hiashi getting the hat with us? The one where he talked about going missing-nin and how he could protect himself but not us? I think it would help to set the tone that this isn't us trying to hurt Leaf.

Emstar · Apr 29, 2019

faflec said:
Done.

Thanks, you the best!

I'm concerned that "Continue Prior Plan" might be a bit knee-jerk. Quite frankly, @faflec 's plan above is literally that, plus some additional details updating on new information, and a decently conservative take on the Orochimaru situation (if you want a more neutral take, Oneiros's plan just gets in touch with him to establish a more direct line of communication, a bit more directly. If you want a risky take, my plan proposes we ask him to assassinate and/or arrange the assassination of Hiashi. This is obviously risky and treasonous. The other two seem pretty reasonable to me. The only instance where they come back to bite us in the ass majorly is in "Timeline: Jiraiya + Tsunade are Dead and Hiashi is Hokage" anyway, and we're already beyond fucked at that point anyway.)

Tl;dr Vote Loremaster, its sufficiently safe. When has faflec ever steered you wrong?

firestorm440 · Apr 29, 2019

[X] Action Plan: Manor Snakes

Pharos · Apr 29, 2019

[X] Action Plan: Manor Snakes

Vecht · Apr 29, 2019

MMKII said:
If you want a risky take, my plan proposes we ask him to assassinate and/or arrange the assassination of Hiashi.

...Wait, what?

MMKII said:
Postscript: "By the way if you could somehow use this money to make Hiashi no longer exist within the next week in an untraceable manner that would be beyond great. Thanks uncle Oro!"

Oh wow. Holy shit. That's ballsy and ruthless.

...I'd probably go for it, except that we know nothing about Orochimaru's motives or loyalties.

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