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Idea, seeing as one of the things mentioned in the waking research tree is the possibility of non humanoid gronti how would people feel about creating magic deer gronti crafted from Kholek Suneaters bones? People have talked about the idea of getting some powerful beasts to pull a sled to go along with it to further work on the Santa image. It would be both awesome and hilarious to us his bones to create flying magic Reindeer to go with a battle sled that we can both ride around during battles while also delivering presents to the beardlings and plaitlings.

Not that serious about the idea but seems like a fun thing to think about.
Kinda morbid but an interesting exercise of Waking runes.

I generally like the idea of making Gronti deer.
What on earth are you two talking about?
Deer?
Those flightly Elgi creatures?
We'll have good reliable Goat Grontis pulling our sled.
 
Kind of wonder if we could cook Implacability to a force of nature image. The lava constantly being regenerated and birthing forth Stone born in Fire. The glacier unstoppable and unyielding.
 
Malakith is 48 years old right now, in about 250 or so years the Elves will start colonies on the New World, and in about 300 years the Elves will start their first colonies on the Old World.

Just -uhh- wanted to point that out to anyone who might care I guess...
 
Hello you beautiful, BEAUTIFUL Regeneration and Fortitude runes. Say hello to our good friends Adamant and Greedy Heart.

You are going to become such good friends...
Been mentioned before so just going to post this:
Eh, still feels pretty wasteful since it still wouldn't be that relevant literally around 99.99 percent of the time and would realistically be 'taking up dust' relative to someone that would actually be going out to get the most use of it like super combatants. As mentioned only 2 fights ever really had Snorri beat up badly and they were extremely high tier opponents that showed up around 20 turns of each other and this quest has been going on for 21.

Besides that there are other things that would help keep Snorri alive that wouldn't require us to use up a one of time item for Snorri himself. Examples include a super gronti including a potential one that can be directly controlled by Snorri himself if the mind and waking research allows us to which can have us 'riding' around a giant super gronti made of pure gromril or even Adamant along with us being able to send it out to others without needing Snorri to use it. There is also the super healing banner that can use the heart that would give super healing not just to Snorri but everyone else around him.
There are more posts on the same page arguing against the armor idea.
Waste of a runeset TBH. I'd much rather go all in on some Quality Gronti or not at all.
Nothing says that a non humanoid gronti can't be a high quality gronti. We are an Odd Runelord so us doing odd things makes sense. Besides it's fun to come up with original ideas.
 
There are more posts on the same page arguing against the armor idea.

More of you arguing the same. The Material is most suited to a regenerative product, and we have Runes most suited to this coming in. Not combining them is a massive waste of potential, and as the quest Vehicle keeping Snorri alive is priory one. This is Bread and slices, Spaghetti and meatballs and all that good shit.

They just fit together too well to not do them is almost criminal.
 
More of you arguing the same. The Material is most suited to a regenerative product, and we have Runes most suited to this coming in. Not combining them is a massive waste of potential, and as the quest Vehicle keeping Snorri alive is priory one. This is Bread and slices, Spaghetti and meatballs and all that good shit.

They just fit together too well to not do them is almost criminal.
I think Red's argument is mostly "Snorri needs this less than other people because he should be crafting not fighting." With little parts of "There are other ways to keep Snorri alive that also benefit other dwarves on the battlefield."
I agree with you, but it feels like you're arguing about the thing that is the least important to the other side of the argument, as they could still concievably be happy spending the heart on a regen product, they'd just like it to be the healing banner/an upgrade to Otreks armour.
 
More of you arguing the same. The Material is most suited to a regenerative product, and we have Runes most suited to this coming in. Not combining them is a massive waste of potential, and as the quest Vehicle keeping Snorri alive is priory one. This is Bread and slices, Spaghetti and meatballs and all that good shit.

They just fit together too well to not do them is almost criminal.
Wasn't it mentioned that the main benefit of the heart was the near endless energy? It was outright mentioned by other players that that had a lot of potential and even Snorri said that the true potential was limitless. Also just pointed out that if regenaration was going to be a reason used than something like the banner makes a lot more sense and would get a lot more out of the heart since it would affect an entire battlefield which would include one Snorri is on except it would also effect our allies. And note, a T4 Adamant armor with the runes using T4 mats pretty much gets the same results when combined with something like the super healing banner.

Also a super gronti that we can pilot that is made out of pure Gromril or even Adamant pretty much accomplishes similarly to upping Snorri's survival except it also lets us act as an anti army unit with said Golem likely able to be used by people besides Snorri.
 
Wasn't it mentioned that the main benefit of the heart was the near endless energy? It was outright mentioned by other players that that had a lot of potential and even Snorri said that the true potential was limitless. Also just pointed out that if regenaration was going to be a reason used than something like the banner makes a lot more sense and would get a lot more out of the heart since it would affect an entire battlefield which would include one Snorri is on except it would also effect our allies. And note, a T4 Adamant armor with the runes using T4 mats pretty much gets the same results when combined with something like the super healing banner.

Also a super gronti that we can pilot that is made out of pure Gromril or even Adamant pretty much accomplishes similarly to upping Snorri's survival except it also lets us act as an anti army unit with said Golem likely able to be used by people besides Snorri.
Eh, the banner is just sort of meh in terms of interesting applications besides super regen compared to 'let's plug one of the most spiteful and steadfast dwarfs we know into an infinite energy loop to try make him as unyielding and stalwart as Grimnir' that's got a lot more gravitas, especially since Snorri is the character we'll always explore the most.

As for the piloted Gronti? It's a long term possibility that the best person with Gronti we personally know doesn't seem that close to achieving, and it ignores everything about what we did to get all the reagents in the first place. Snorri beat the Greedy One by virtue of being too stubborn and too spiteful over the death of his long departed wife to ever give up. The theme of fighting Kholek Suneater was 'this far and no further'- simple Dwarf stubbornness of a people massacred and driven from their homes drawing a line in the sand and breaking hell itself upon it. This isn't a mecha anime, and the core of this quest has been exploring the very human strain of being an ancient and respected elder who's witnessed so much. Who has so much to cherish and grieve over and in doing so refuses to falter.

The thematics of taking the Adamant, and the Greedy Heart, and Grimnir's personal rune and drawing personal strength from them? Of Snorri striving to give himself the tools to live long and well so that in time he can die for a better reason as personally commanded by Grimnir himself? That's powerful, that's got a weight to it trying to force the real robot genre into Warhammer Fantasy will never have. If we go all in on forging Snorri a personal suit of armor, it's not just about stacking buffs on him, it's about giving himself a symbol of all that he's stood against and all those he's stood for.

A huge theme of this quest is the importance of mementos and symbols as Dwarfs get older. Otrek's big gift from Grimnir was just that, and perhaps Snorri's most cherished possession is the cloak his wife made for him. We don't need this think to be a massive gronti or a super banner to have a profound impact on dwarfs and Snorri, even in times of peace.
 
Eh, the banner is just sort of meh in terms of interesting applications besides super regen compared to 'let's plug one of the most spiteful and steadfast dwarfs we know into an infinite energy loop to try make him as unyielding and stalwart as Grimnir' that's got a lot more gravitas, especially since Snorri is the character we'll always explore the most.

As for the piloted Gronti? It's a long term possibility that the best person with Gronti we personally know doesn't seem that close to achieving, and it ignores everything about what we did to get all the reagents in the first place. Snorri beat the Greedy One by virtue of being too stubborn and too spiteful over the death of his long departed wife to ever give up. The theme of fighting Kholek Suneater was 'this far and no further'- simple Dwarf stubbornness of a people massacred and driven from their homes drawing a line in the sand and breaking hell itself upon it. This isn't a mecha anime, and the core of this quest has been exploring the very human strain of being an ancient and respected elder who's witnessed so much. Who has so much to cherish and grieve over and in doing so refuses to falter.

The thematics of taking the Adamant, and the Greedy Heart, and Grimnir's personal rune and drawing personal strength from them? Of Snorri striving to give himself the tools to live long and well so that in time he can die for a better reason as personally commanded by Grimnir himself? That's powerful, that's got a weight to it trying to force the real robot genre into Warhammer Fantasy will never have. If we go all in on forging Snorri a personal suit of armor, it's not just about stacking buffs on him, it's about giving himself a symbol of all that he's stood against and all those he's stood for.

A huge theme of this quest is the importance of mementos and symbols as Dwarfs get older. Otrek's big gift from Grimnir was just that, and perhaps Snorri's most cherished possession is the cloak his wife made for him. We don't need this think to be a massive gronti or a super banner to have a profound impact on dwarfs and Snorri, even in times of peace.
Going to disagree on the themes. As mentioned first and foremost Snorri is a crafter before anything else and it's outright admitted by Snorri himself that he isn't the best fighter around. As a craftmans the best weapons and armor feel like they would belong to the best warriors, not to a a guy that isn't quite there and that should include the PC in my opinion.

The whole being incredibly stubborn thing is a trait held by all Dwarfs, not just Snorri. A major theme of Snorri is that he values his home and allies greatly. The things he made have not only defended his home but helped protect those closest to him. It feels a lot more fitting for Snorri's best works to benefit not just himself but his fellow dwarfs. Something super healing banner would not just be a major part of his legacy but would protect and save countless lives and even heal the sickest people.

Using the best mats solely for Snorri feels like it's motivated mainly by PC greed- as in the habit of players always wanting the best loot, again don't mean to insult people it's just natural for people to want the best stuff and expected. Sorry but it's kind of hard to believe that people aren't being incredibly biased towards the PC considering personal experience with these kinds of things so it feels like people would try to come up with excuses so that we ourselves end up with the best possible gear. And it just feels a bit selfish.

I mean when presented with an option that would also significantly play a big role in keeping Snorri alive you argued against the idea that would help not just Snorri but all Dwarfs to make it about Snorri himself. It just feels incredibly boring and unoriginal since that kind of thing is so common. Instead of helping others become better said quests mostly revolve around the player character becoming more and more powerful and getting the absolute best gear. That just doesn't seem to fit here, Snorri doesn't need the absolute best gear, he doesn't need to force himself to be some symbol.


We are Snorri gift giver, Odd Runelord of the North. We should be proud of that fact alone along with all our accomplishments. For thematics instead of just Snorri himself using the power of the heart and the personal runes of the ancestors he gives crafts a masterpiece so that the rest of his allies can draw strength from said craft and their ancestors, or encouraging dwarfs to strive to give them the tools to live long and well so that in time they can live and die for better reasons as encouraged by Grimnir himself. Instead of trying to turn Snorri himself a symbol we create a symbol of all that we along our allies, comrades and family stood against together.

That feels far more in line with the thematics of the gift giver and craftsman we are going for.

That said think we shouldn't take things too seriously. This is still a quest and think that there should be a balance between taking things seriously and doing what feels like the most fun for people.
 
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[Canon] Hope, +15 to a Local RER Roll [USED]
Hope

The door whispered open as Stonebeard crept into his home. As quietly as he could he closed the door behind him. He didn't know if Frega was up but it was better safe than sorry. She needed all the rest she could get. Rolling his shoulders he shed his light cloak and hung it on its hook. Water dripped and formed a puddle. Stonebeard paused and squinted at the puddle. At just the right angle the torch light around him made the puddle sparkle. Sparkle like stars. Only Frega calling out to him pulled him away from the puddle.

"Dearest? Are you there? I am going to warm up some soup. Do you want any?"

"Yes Dear. That would warm me right up."

"Alright, I will be by the fire."

With smooth movements Stonebeard pulled off his boots and padded over to his wife. She was resting in by the fire in her chair, one hand absently caressing her stomach. With a soft grunt Stonebeard sat down in his chair and took the offered bowl of soup. They stayed like that for a short time. Enjoying the warm soup and the crackle and pop of the fire.

"I didn't wake you up did I?" Stonebeard asked, "I tried to be as quiet as I could."

Frega waved away his concern. "I was already up. Your daughter has quite a pair of legs on her."

Stonebeard smiled, "Don't forget, you'll owe me two bowls of mushroom and goat soup if he's a boy."

Frega laughed softly, "I'll remember." She looked back into the fire. "How was today?" She asked, her voice quiet and hesitant.

Stonebeard shrugged. "Better than most days. A couple of demons mindless attacked and word from the thanes is that they are expecting another big attack in a couple of days so everyone is gearing up for that."

Frega went silent at that. The two of them enjoyed some of the warm soup and the crackle and pop of the fire. Eventually Frega spoke again. "Any word?" She asked. It was the same question she asked every night. Every night for the last two decades.

Stonebeard stared into the fire. It was dying down. "No." He said. "No word."

Again they descended into a comfortable quietness. The fire was just embers now as they finished their soup. With a satisfied sigh Stonebeard set his bowl aside. Then he rested his hands in his hands and looked back to the fire. Dull embers burned inside the fireplace. The light casted from them extended shadows. Then he spoke.
"It's getting harder." Frega stilled beside him. "Each battle," he continued, "there are less dwarfs. More demons. I don't know when it will end. If it will end. Just moments ago I stared into a puddle of rainwater that reflected torch light like stars. I used to take stars for granted but now…" He sighed. "Will our child ever get to see stars?"

Frega reached over and gripped his hand. "I pray every day," she said, "to Grungi, Valaya, and Griminr that this test ends. Until that day we must endure. For your daughter."

Stonebeard stared into his wife's brilliant eyes. An unborn tear glistened there. "Of course dear. I was being silly. We will endure as Grungi taught as. As the mountains do." He lifted his hand to her face. His calloused thumb brushed aside her unshed tear. Frega sighed and leaned into his hand. They stayed together like that for a time.

Rough knocking at the door interrupted the moment. With a grumble Stonebeard got up and gave a quick kiss to Frega.

"I am coming, I am coming."

When he opened the door a panting beardling was standing there.

"I am very sorry to knock on your door at this hour, honored Elder," said the beardling. "But I have been instructed to inform you that a clan wide meeting has been called. The meeting is taking place at Elder Stonefoot's house."

"When is the meeting taking place?" Stonebeard asked, knowing and dreading the answer.

"Now, honored Elder." The beardling replied.

"Very well, go on your way then." Stonebeard grunted out.

The beardling nodded his thanks and hurried off to the next house. Stonebeard turned around and stomped back into his house. Frega was standing by the entrance to the kitchen.

"Is something wrong?"

"A clan meeting. I don't know what it's about. You should get some rest though. I don't know how long this will take."

Frega nodded and retreated further into the house. Stonebeard grabbed a pair of boots, almost grabbing the wet ones, and made his way to Elder Stonefoot's house.

The clan head's house was the perfect meeting place. Large and spacious with plenty of light rooms carved into tasteful nooks and crannies. A large table that could sit each head of house as well as the food they often ate. Such meetings used to take place at most every three months. They would be scheduled well in advance and everyone would know the topic. With the coming of disasters the meetings had changed. Grim news and dire signs came almost every day and it was a rare week that less than three meetings were called to discuss the latest disaster and how it affected the clan. At the head of the table sat Elder Stonefoot. He puffed on a small pipe and the smoke from it drifted lazily away. Even as Stonebeard pulled up his seat Elder Stonefoot's daughter was feeding wood to the fireplace getting it to a roaring heat. The news must be quite fresh if Elder Stonefoot wasn't prepared yet. When the chairs had been filled Elder Stonefoot broke the gentle murmings filling the hall.

"We have news from Kraka Drakk."

Silence descended on the hall. Stonebeard closed his eyes. This was it. For two decades the center of the north had been cut off with Frega's brother. This was the expected bitter news.

"It stands." Elder Stonefoot continued.

Stonebeard's eyes snapped open. All around him he could see the relief on the craggy faces of his clan.

"Even as the Valiant cleared away the demons sieging Kraka Drakk from the underway the hold's throng sallied out and drove away the demon hoard that had been besieging them." Now the silence in the hall was one of stunned disbelief. Elder Stonefoot continued seeming to care little about the magnitude of the news he was sharing. "King Otrek Ironarm held the fourth wall of Kraka Drakk and in a pitched battle slew Kholek Suneater Ruiner of the North."

Excited murmuring filled the grand hall. Everyone could feel it. A great blow for dwarf kind had been struck. Like an ax blow making a flooding river pause. It wouldn't stop the horrors. But this. This was proof that hope was not lost.

Elder Stonefoot continued, "I know that many of you have family living in Kraka Drakk." Stonebeard could almost believe that Elder Stonefoot had glanced in his direction. "While there is little we can spare from the defense of our hold I hope that there is something that we can do for our families living in the north. This meeting is to discuss what can be spared and how to arrange its travel north."

The rest of the meeting moved quickly. Each head of family gave an account of what they believed could be spared. Grain was promised, as well as kegs of ale. It was a meager, but heartfelt, amount. Elder Stonefoot called the meeting to a close with a declaration that he would work with other clan heads to create a caravan strong enough to brave the underway. With that everyone hurried home to share the news.

Stonebeard, for the second time, opened the door as softly as he could. Just in case his wife had gone to sleep. She hadn't. He could see her shadow from the fire that she had kindled back to a roar.

"Frega dearest," he said, as he sat next to her, "I have news."

Frega looked at him, concern filling her eyes.

"Kraka Drakk stands."

A.N
@soulcake Omake for the Omake throne
 
As mentioned first and foremost Snorri is a crafter before anything else and it's outright admitted by Snorri himself that he isn't the best fighter around.
Perhaps when Snorri says he isn't the best, he's being modest like how he deflected that comment about the greedy troll earlier last update?

"Mmm, then the Skalds have gotten a bit too enthusiastic. I may have pushed it off that cliff, but I would not have survived if the Throng had not held back his horde.

He's basically implying that he wouldn't be the best warrior unless he didn't need the Throng backing him up.

Lets face the facts:
  • Snorri has been in 3 of the 4 campaigns thus far in the story, only skipping out Otreks minor skirmishes against the trolls post Greedy Troll.
    Of those 3 campaigns, Snorri has been on deaths door twice.
  • As we saw in the Greedy Troll campaign, Snorri was actually the default leader until he refused and is likely still the first person to go if the royal clan vanished in a puff of smoke.
  • As the Last Runelord of the North, Snorri is likely to be an important figure on a regional level and as important as Otrek in his own way.
  • Snorri is one of the best warriors of the hold, remember how he killed the Greedy Troll and how the fight against Kholek was 2 Runelords (E: Sorry, a Runelord and a Runelord tier Runesmith), the King and a Griffon people have been comparing to the actual Ancestors. And that the kings bodyguard only showed up defending the Bolt Throwers. Seems they would have been more prominent if any of the best Longbeards in the hold could match Snorri.
  • All the time that Snorri is on the field enemy spell casters take -25 and friendly Runesmiths take +5 passively, a difference in the roll equivalent to Snorris centuries of experience (Unyielding Really Old Grumbler). Meaning that keeping Snorri in the field is a significant force multiplier.

Nah we can justify this.
 
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Going to disagree on the themes. As mentioned first and foremost Snorri is a crafter before anything else and it's outright admitted by Snorri himself that he isn't the best fighter around. As a craftmans the best weapons and armor feel like they would belong to the best warriors, not to a a guy that isn't quite there and that should include the PC in my opinion.

The whole being incredibly stubborn thing is a trait held by all Dwarfs, not just Snorri. A major theme of Snorri is that he values his home and allies greatly. The things he made have not only defended his home but helped protect those closest to him. It feels a lot more fitting for Snorri's best works to benefit not just himself but his fellow dwarfs. Something super healing banner would not just be a major part of his legacy but would protect and save countless lives and even heal the sickest people.

I don't think he is a crafter first and foremost. He's a crafter, a researcher, a priest, a guildmaster, a teacher and above all a leader in all those fields. All of them are important parts of who Snorri as the Runelord of Kraka Drakk is. Now, he's also a warrior and a general, but those are secondary.

Where I agree with you is that making personal equipment isn't really what I think's important here. Looking at his titles, he's the Gift Giver and the Hold Warder. He's also particularly talented at making talismans, engineering, and odd and esoteric runes. Now, what does that suggest to me?

A Gronti built to defend other people hits a lot of those points. Hold Warder is a bit of a stretch, but I can see it. It certainly fits Engineering and Odd and Esoteric, and it also hits Gift Giver.

Something like a fixed set of infrastructure runes fits Hold Warder really well. I'm not sure what category those fixed infrastructure runes naturally fall into. Something like a Hold scale combo based on the Master Rune of Unyielding powered by the Greedy Heart would be amazing. It fits Defence in Depth and the Hearth and Home trait very well too.
 
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Dismissing using the heart for our personal gear makes no sense. Just because we've got WOG that we can live to modern times doesn't mean we'll survive to then. As to people saying he's not the best fighter, he may not be now but he will be one of the best in another say 1000 years. So saying it's Gronti or nothing is a weak argument imo.
 
Going to disagree on the themes. As mentioned first and foremost Snorri is a crafter before anything else and it's outright admitted by Snorri himself that he isn't the best fighter around. As a craftmans the best weapons and armor feel like they would belong to the best warriors, not to a a guy that isn't quite there and that should include the PC in my opinion.

The whole being incredibly stubborn thing is a trait held by all Dwarfs, not just Snorri. A major theme of Snorri is that he values his home and allies greatly. The things he made have not only defended his home but helped protect those closest to him. It feels a lot more fitting for Snorri's best works to benefit not just himself but his fellow dwarfs. Something super healing banner would not just be a major part of his legacy but would protect and save countless lives and even heal the sickest people.

Using the best mats solely for Snorri feels like it's motivated mainly by PC greed- as in the habit of players always wanting the best loot, again don't mean to insult people it's just natural for people to want the best stuff and expected. Sorry but it's kind of hard to believe that people aren't being incredibly biased towards the PC considering personal experience with these kinds of things so it feels like people would try to come up with excuses so that we ourselves end up with the best possible gear. And it just feels a bit selfish.

I mean when presented with an option that would also significantly play a big role in keeping Snorri alive you argued against the idea that would help not just Snorri but all Dwarfs to make it about Snorri himself. It just feels incredibly boring and unoriginal since that kind of thing is so common. Instead of helping others become better said quests mostly revolve around the player character becoming more and more powerful and getting the absolute best gear. That just doesn't seem to fit here, Snorri doesn't need the absolute best gear, he doesn't need to force himself to be some symbol.


We are Snorri gift giver, Odd Runelord of the North. We should be proud of that fact alone along with all our accomplishments. For thematics instead of just Snorri himself using the power of the heart and the personal runes of the ancestors he gives crafts a masterpiece so that the rest of his allies can draw strength from said craft and their ancestors, or encouraging dwarfs to strive to give them the tools to live long and well so that in time they can live and die for better reasons as encouraged by Grimnir himself. Instead of trying to turn Snorri himself a symbol we create a symbol of all that we along our allies, comrades and family stood against together.

That feels far more in line with the thematics of the gift giver and craftsman we are going for.

That said think we shouldn't take things too seriously. This is still a quest and think that there should be a balance between taking things seriously and doing what feels like the most fun for people.
And your ignoring that the armor isn't first and foremost a suit of armor. It's a living symbol of the craftsman girding himself in his craft. Of putting his values and experiences and cherished directive to plate and armoring himself in it. We don't need another killy warrior, or anything like that. We need a reminder whatever is to come to keep on living. Losing that imperative is what kills Dwarfs early here more than anything else given how long Dwarfs live during this golden age. We're Standing 9 with the North, liable to hit Standing 10 with the North once we help them rebuild and reclaim their Karaks. We're a living pillar of society up there, and that's not going to change. We're the craftsman who crowned a king and killed a shadow. The Dwarf who rallied Kraka Drakans and refugee alike with the cry of 'This far and no further' and engraved that sentiment in the soul of every Dwarf alive in the North. Trying to dismiss Snorri as 'just a craftsman' is a huge understatement.

And it was Snorri who was stubborn enough to hold back the Greedy One even as it was trying to ascend into a Daemon Prince. It was Snorri who strode out with an oath on his lips and a banner in his hand and made every Dwarf involved unbreakably stubborn. We are exceptionally stubborn, even by Dwarf standards, to the point where Grimnir praised us for being so stubborn to hurl ourselves into the fight as our armor was sundered and our body giving out.

And here you go with loaded statements that attack the motivation of people who don't agree with you. 'It's just the usual PC greed'. Because using our own personal resources on our self is somehow greedy. Helping our self still helps the Hold, and there's not a pressing demand for literally any other option either. Snorri isn't just an arbitrary vehicle for us to try and bootstrap the Dwarf race. He's a person, who's lost a lot and is terrified of losing more. Sue me for wanting him to make his finest piece to remind himself of how stubborn he is. How he'll be there for the Karak, always ready. We're a centuries long widower still in mourning, a man who lost most of his peers and colleagues that followed in his footsteps, and is scared of losing both his beloved master and the apprentices who are some of the closest people he has left. Is a kindness to himself in the face of all that really a cruelty to others?

I think you're ignoring how much being the Gift Giver, of being a rock that aspires to support everyone can wear on someone. Of how striving to always look after everyone means you don't oft look after yourself. Snorri doesn't take care of himself this is something literally attested to numerous times with Moira giving him hell for it, he is constantly looking out for everyone he can, and really has two people actively trying to look out for him rather than the reverse between Yorri and Moira. I don't want this magnum opus to be just another gift Snorri bestows upon an awed people. I want this to a be a kindness to himself. A promise and memento in one that he's up to task of being such a revered and relied upon figure. That the shoes he fills are massive, but by all Ancestor Gods he can do it. It's not about making the player character the strongest. It's about exploring the story of an old and tired man constantly trying to do right by others choosing to do right by himself by the grace of his god. Of promising himself his shoulders can bear whatever burdens may come and facing that with a smile.

This isn't about power leveling the PC, or optimal strats for the sake of the Hold. It's about telling an Epic from an age of myths, and if we can- see about bringing some of those myths to a far off future that's darker and harsher without them. A personal piece strikes that chord best as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Well said. I wanted to write something to support your point, but couldn't come up with anything that you haven't already said.

Writing off improving our Gear as merely selfish behaviour from Snorri (and the player base) is just being ridiculous. And even if it was, we haven't actually crafted any new wargear for ourselves in two centuries. Discovering Adamant, Learning a Powerful new rune and coming near death twice is a valid reason to improve your armor, and quite a good motivation to boot.

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I wrote another bit analyzing what each choice might imply, but decided to not post it. You need to break the fourth wall or have an absurdly long term view combined with complete selflessness to actually pursue those trail of thoughts.

TLDR: The long and the short of it in my opinion is that Snorri probably knows he should replace some of his gear.. His armor is just not cutting it. That is definitely not selfish.
Whether he goes the whole nine Yards, and makes the best possible armor he can (Adamant and Greedy heart) or not is debatable and not completely out of character for a Runelord. In fact, to me it's only Debatable because of Snorri's traits.
 
A personal piece of armour that's almost never used for the good of anyone, because Snorri should be on the front line exceptionally rarely going forward, seems much less impactful or an effective symbol than a gronti that can be fighting an eternal campaign against the enemies of the dwarves or a hold improvements that makes lives better and more secure for the dwarves of Kraka Drakk every day. Something that's virtually never used also doesn't really seem to make full use of the prime benefit of the Heart, that it's an unending fount of energy.

Note that Snorri would also benefit significantly from having a super-gronti to fight his battles or being under the effect of something like a hold scale Master Rune of Unyielding.

The problem I have with a personal suit of armour isn't that it's selfish, it's that it's petty. It's a such a (literally and metaphorically) small thing for what should be a mythic achievement. The Heart seems like it should be used to power something that would normally be impossible.

Snorri also isn't a specialist in armour runes, it's not what he's best at. A gronti, for example, should trigger two of his specialties.

As a side note, I think it's probably worth holding off using the Heart until we finish the rune metal chain, just in case refining the third form of gromril requires an enormous source of energy, like adamant but much more so. We'd be very cross if we turn out to have made it much harder to make T5 gromril because we prematurely used the Heart. I know this might seem like a pedestrian use of the Heart in some ways, but I quite like the idea of multiple strands of effort and circumstance combining to make it possible.
 
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A personal piece of armour that's almost never used for the good of anyone, because Snorri should be on the front line exceptionally rarely going forward,
We've been on the frontlines 3 of 4 times. Injured 2 of 3 times.
What Snorri should do is a dumb argument because whether he does or doesn't its not what he is doing.

As for being petty. Whas Ghal Maraz a petty warhammer? Just because its not as large as a Gronti doesn't make something now worthy of being a legend. This is a dumb fucking argument.
 
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