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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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As Snorri sees it, which option would make it easier to befriend* Vragni?

*Increase our standing with him to the point where we can actually interact with one another.
I dont think anything you can do will make this man like you. At best, stop sending you angry letters.

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[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
I dont think anything you can do will make this man like you. At best, stop sending you angry letters.
Soul, a question I really want to ask is...

How easy is it going to be to use this kind of influence and NOT cause someone to get crushed by it?

Because I won't lie, I'm really kinda worried that in the act of using it, we're going to end up causing problems. Like, If Snorri ended up influencing Runesmith culture with this Authority, would people who disagreed with some aspect of his method get soft-blacklisted by people who did?

I'm sorry if I'm phrasing this badly - long and stressful day at work - but I just get the feeling that this kind of position doesn't offer a lot fo ways to use it's power gently, as it were?
 
Soul, a question I really want to ask is...

How easy is it going to be to use this kind of influence and NOT cause someone to get crushed by it?

Because I won't lie, I'm really kinda worried that in the act of using it, we're going to end up causing problems. Like, If Snorri ended up influencing Runesmith culture with this Authority, would people who disagreed with some aspect of his method get soft-blacklisted by people who did?

I'm sorry if I'm phrasing this badly - long and stressful day at work - but I just get the feeling that this kind of position doesn't offer a lot fo ways to use it's power gently, as it were?
Honestly the first question of inheriting the heir position, after sorting out who accepts it... will be, well what rights do you have.
Because they need to decide what rights Thungni had but never exercised and what rights he had voluntarily given up and also does Snorri get all of them, or just most of them?
 
Whether we accept the title of Heir or refuse. I have faith that Snorri will do his best to do right by others and the Ancestors.
 
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Can I just say how I love imagining how Kazador and Snorri's conversation is going, because this entire debate is prompted with Kazador casually asking us what now, and if we found or did something interesting, and Snorri is just staring at empty space as his consciousness/decision maker are debating over wether we want to change here tell him something that may causes a major upheaval and change the Dwarven Society or just be vague and say no, while Kazador and the rest are just standing there awkwardly, waiting for old Snorri to answer to what seems to be a simple question.
I blame you for this.

 
Honestly I think that the title of heir would actually reduce the amount of politics we need to get into. Right now, we're a participant. We have enough authority that people like to ask us to do things for them, but not enough to be able to solve major problems without favour trading or actual effort. With the title, we'd become a Player who would largely be exempt from the level of politics that we are currently involved in, unless we found a reason to care about these issues. Other participants might ask for the help of the eldest runelord of their hold if they think the issue is important enough. To ask the Heir of Thungni to get involved in politics? Unless you're talking about an invading army or the like, you're not going to interrupt him from his work.
 
Let's see what the current count is, its pretty close actually
Adhoc vote count started by tri2 on Sep 5, 2024 at 1:33 PM, finished with 1658 posts and 434 votes.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Aliya on Sep 5, 2024 at 1:36 PM, finished with 1658 posts and 434 votes.
 
I feel like Vragni is at that point that wherever we do, he will think of that in a bad light. The only way for him to stop is...well, himself. He needs to realise that himself.
 
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[X] Claim the Title of Heir: [Cost: ???] Gain title: Heir of Thungni, ??? You claim a position that has remained in doubt since Durin died. By Thungni's word, the hammer you would now wield confirms that you are His Heir. Elevating your authority to that of the Ancestor's eldest children, living or dead. You would not, could not be a tyrant of course, but still.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by soulcake on Sep 2, 2024 at 10:01 PM, finished with 1074 posts and 435 votes.
 
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