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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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I think it's telling that the chainforger runes even at well known status in the south, still get lost outside the major holds. It literally takes the prosthetics being universal across the board to survive and the Cult of Valaya may still have to intervene. It's probably for the best that t4 mats dried up post time of woes because it seems like there'd be a good chance they'd blow themselves up trying to use them with how badly the knowledge base is eroded.
I hate this line of thinking because it just comes as the typical SB/SV competency/protagonist syndrome where players act like anyone that isn't them is stupid and can't be trusted with anything. And that is just extremely insulting to everyone that isn't the protag. Especially the Dwarfs since they are probably the one race least likely to blow themselves up precisely because one of their main traits is being so careful with the stuff they have.
 
[X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning. (Turn 59)
[X] [Social:] Dolgi Skarrisson and Kemma Brunasdottir's Nauvsdeg.
[X] [Social:] Izgrom, putting another rock by Karstah's door.
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about the other Thungni-Chosen [Limited]
[X] Whitebeard's Letter: Through elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance, putting Malekith and his allies under time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed by Bel'Shannar, since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Prince Gimli is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.
 
Alright I just remember I did this for you next time I make a joke about the RER backlog.
[X] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.
 
[X] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.


Sure.
 
[Voted For] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.

Fuck it, sure, why not?

Wait, do I have to repost my whole vote if I vote this?
 
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Scheduled vote count started by soulcake on Feb 17, 2025 at 10:46 PM, finished with 175 posts and 47 votes.
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    [X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning. (Turn 59)
    -[X] Snorri & Karstah
    --[X] [Difficult] Build Brynbar pt 2 (2 Karstah) This is for her own use.
    --[X] Khazagar (2 Karstah) Generates 3 Khazagar actions, any left over remain to be used later.
    ---[X] Change Curriculum: Switch Prosthetics with Dum-Denial. 1 Khaz.
    ---[X] Learning Rune of Spellburning. 2 Khaz + T2 White Lion's Heart.
    --[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting #2 (1 Snorri + 3 KKR) Wear BA/Skarren
    --[X] [Simple] The Brotherhood Calls (1 Snorri + 3 KKR)
    --[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery pt 1 (1 Snorri)
    --[X] [Difficult] Examine KKR (1 Snorri)
    --[X] [Difficult] Skaudardrengi pt 2 (1 Snorri + 2 KKR) This does not finish the Dragon. This is prep for turn 60 and is meant to develop the Rune we chose by Going All Out.
    --[X] The Road to Anoqeyån Pt. 2 (1 Snorri)
    -[X] Retainers & Orders
    --[X] Expedition, Grom [1 Retainer + Industry of the North]
    --[X] Training Regime Pt. 2 [3 Retainer]
    --[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Gas Sac
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm Wing Tendons [-15 Far North Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Great Eagle Feather [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Heart [-15 Far North Favor]
    [X] [Social:] Izgrom, putting another rock by Karstah's door.
    [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about the other Thungni-Chosen [Limited]
    [X] Whitebeard's Letter: Through elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance, putting Malekith and his allies under time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed by Bel'Shannar, since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Prince Gimli is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.
    [X] [Social:] Dolgi Skarrisson and Kemma Brunasdottir's Nauvsdeg.
    [X] Whitebeard's Letter: [Less than 100 words, 3 main points about what you focus on when sharing your knowledge about Elven politics with Snorri Whitebeard.] Through our elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance and thus putting Malekith and his allies into active time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed and pushed out of influence by Bel'Shannar since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar and that the Waystone network in the Far North is not totally destroyed. Gimli, Son of Gloin, is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.
    [X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning.
    [X] [Social:] Snorri Jollsson brings his apprentice to Khazagar.
    [X] [Social:] Dolgi Dolgisson's feathered friends.
    [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about how the Izril Clans are managing their creation[Standard, Evolving]
    [X] [Social:] Joll brings his apprentice, Snorri Jollsson, to Khazagar.
    [X] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.
    [X] [Social:] Joll bringing his son Snorri to Khazagar.
    [X] Whitebeard's Letter: [Less than 100 words, 3 main points about what you focus on when sharing your knowledge about Elven politics with Snorri Whitebeard.] Confirm that Whitebeard is on the same page on Elvish politics, ( Tor Vernath's pressure on Malekith to finish quickly and Bel'Shannar's suppression of the mages opposing him), note the Mages Malekith visited have little reason to care about the aftereffects on the land, only that Malekith success to spite Bel'Shannar, and that the Waystones remain functional, you think the backlash will be worse than Malekith's says because of that. Gimli, Son of Gloin, is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and the elf and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective on the ritual.
    [X] [Letters:] Knowledge about current Izril Politics [Extensive, Evolving]
    [x] [X] Whitebeard's Letter: [Less than 100 words, 3 main points about what you focus on when sharing your knowledge about Elven politics with Snorri Whitebeard.] Through our elvish contacts, we know that some elves of Tor Vernath are asking for Bel'Shannar's assistance and thus putting Malekith and his allies in active time pressure. The Mages Malekith visited were suppressed and pushed out of influence by Bel'Shannar since he could not ally with them and do not have much incentive to care about magical backlash to the people living here - only that Malekith their patron succeeds and spites Bel'Shannar. Gimli, Son of Gloin, is friends with Prince Laequalys of Tor Vernath and Laequalys and his own mages may have a useful additional perspective.
    [X] Plan: Knock Knock Monoliths and Learning (Now With Greater Efficiency)
    -[X] Snorri & Karstah
    --[X] [Difficult] Build Brynbar pt 2 (2 Karstah) This is for her own use.
    --[X] Khazagar (2 Karstah) Generates 3 Khazagar actions, any left over remain to be used later.
    ---[X] Change Curriculum: Switch Prosthetics with Dum-Denial. 1 Khaz.
    ---[X] Learning Rune of Spellburning. 2 Khaz + T2 White Lion's Heart.
    --[X] [Simple] Once more with Smelting #2 (1 Snorri + 3 KKR) Wear BA/Skarren
    --[X] [Simple] The Brotherhood Calls (1 Snorri + 3 KKR)
    --[X] [Difficult] Monolith Mastery pt 1 (2 Snorri)
    --[X] [Difficult] Skaudardrengi pt 2 (1 Snorri + 2 KKR) This does not finish the Dragon. This is prep for turn 60 and is meant to develop the Rune we chose by Going All Out.
    --[X] The Road to Anoqeyån Pt. 2 (1 Snorri)
    -[X] Retainers & Orders
    --[X] Expedition, Grom [1 Retainer + Industry of the North]
    --[X] Training Regime Pt. 2 [3 Retainer]
    --[X] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Gas Sac
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm Wing Tendons [-15 Far North Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Great Eagle Feather [-15 Karak Ungor Favor]
    --[X] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Heart [-15 Far North Favor]
    [x] drak rearing, 4 snorri, 2 retainer, 2 heir, war the rest
 
soulcake given that Tholinn had a 300% growth in the hour before you closed the vote I think it was unfair to close it then.
If that trend continued we were predicted to have what? 256 votes for it right now.

I suspect theres a conspiracy to keep gay dwarves out of the story so that Voik has to write omakes for it. Its the only explaination for this shocking ruling.
 
soulcake given that Tholinn had a 300% growth in the hour before you closed the vote I think it was unfair to close it then.
If that trend continued we were predicted to have what? 256 votes for it right now.

I suspect theres a conspiracy to keep gay dwarves out of the story so that Voik has to write omakes for it. Its the only explaination for this shocking ruling.
The real cabal is the one denying Voik his social vote picks. :^V
 
[Canon] Mortality and Excellence, Tholinn is friends with Thorek Steelfist. New
Mortality and Excellence

He can recite the lore of Clan Brightwill to a thousand-years hence. His parents had made damn sure of that--as his brothers had been trying to woo maidens in the Hold, in particular some planned maiden excursion, instead, knowing his excellence, they had ma--allowed him to journey to the clan's personal library and for sixth months he had studied the deeds of his Ancestors long descended into the Underearth. Thousands upon thousands of pages of tomes, fo-entered into his mind so that he could understand his place.

To keep his mind focused, where his brothers had...suffered the pain of being with grandfather for months as he passed, mother and father had instead de- allowed him to take his mind off of troubles by sending him with a mining expedition to get a feel for the material he would work with as a Runesmith so that he would excel, to let him gain practice working with completely mundane construction.

As his brothers grew more familiar with their parents, he was reproached, reminded to keep the dignity of a Runesmith, a Runelord one day if he was so lucky and chosen--no, not lucky, driven.

From the day he was born and they had known he would take on the family's legacy properly, his parents have...pushed...him to excel. Have not allowed him to rest on his laurels or at all. They have known he would be the best because they have pruned every other possibility. They have ensured his name will go down in the annals of Kraka Drak as a legend of worth for they have mangled the mere mortal who might otherwise weigh that ability down.

And so they had leaped, jumped at the opportunity as Nain Kazzarson, apprentice to the Gift-Giver, and student of Gotri Hammerspite, was rumored to be looking for a student, and paid him quite a sum of money hoping he would finish ripping out mortality and leave behind a shell of excellence.

The training had been difficult, of course. How could it not be? But he had excelled for how could he not? Not after the efforts of his parents to prepare him for the thing, not after the efforts of his parents to ensure he was an equal to the task. He is very quiet, and he has very good ears, so he has heard his master call him as such, when he thinks Tholinn Vikramsson is not paying attention. He, and Fjolla, and Karstah, and the other apprentices of Snorri and the Gift-Giver himself, a figure if anything more marvelous than the stories convey, clad in Runes and wonder.

They talk about other things too, of course. Exactly what they think of his parents. An assessment he can't quite disregard. For all some part of him can't fully agree with it, either.

To be around so many Masters of the craft is...edifying. Even if his fellow apprentices can be confusing and better company than most of his closer kin has ever been, whatever else they might say. Dolgi's kin are loud and warmhearted and open when they have no need to be but honest and capable Runesmiths. His conversations with the younger children are purely an attempt to learn more about Runesmithing Lore, of course, since that's the easiest way to hide how much time he's wasting from his parents, who have their ears to the grapevine. Gandazi and Andvarri, younger than he, and so in need of an elder's guidance, as much as he could and Andvari a lesson in not putting his foot in his mouth from a mouth who's gotten too, too used to watching his words when he doesn't need to.

Every milestone ever placed before him he has surpassed, every attempt to turn him from the path failed. He will be a Runesmith, he will bring honor to Clan Brightwill for how else will he ever make missing his grandfather's funeral worth it.

He is excellence itself, and the cloak he has made lives up to that. It may be a simple apprentice's piece, and to be sure his master had made sure to point out a few points of improvement for later, but it will do what it needs to do, of that he is sure. The red wool lightly trimmed with a vanilla shade of particularly Brana down at the collar and along the edges, with images of the history of Clan Steelfist embroidered in white yarn, would keep out the cold of Norsca as a particularly thick piece of mundane work, never mind the handful of warming runes his Master nudged him to use for the gift. It is more than fitting as a gift from Tholinn Goldenbeard.

So why is he so stressed about giving it to Thorek Steelfist aside from the bleeding obvious? The man wants to journey throughout the cold of Norsca, to be a warrior, to see the world so it certainly fills a practical need? A beardling's gift to a beardling warrior is well within parameters, in fact if anything it is over par given how these things usually work, so it isn't that. Thorek has been whining about how cold out it is, so it's something he wants, so it certainly won't be a waste not matter what else then.

So why, then, is it that he's sitting in the tavern, at the edge of the bar, nursing some ale, holding the gift, trying not to stare at the noble who hasn't realized he's there? Why can't he just get up, march over there, and give it to him? Why can't he be-

His thoughts are interrupted by an Elder in a thick red cloak accidentally stumbling into him, knocking him from his stool onto the ground and getting the attention of just about every patron there, including Thorek, oh Ancestors, even as the Elder brushes some dirt off of him and grumbles apologies, checking him over for a moment before giving a grumble to the effect of "he's fine". He accepts the apology in the spirit intended, besides he's far more concerned how his associate (Friend) is walking over with a smile on his face and another tankard, which he passes over to Tholinn with a practiced ease. "You alright, prickly?"

"I am indeed."

Screw your courage to the sticking place, beard boy.

The unknowing client is here. "I suppose since you're here, I may as well give you this." He hands over the cloak with little fanfare and tries not to notice how Thorek's eyes light up as he traces the deeds of his forefathers and grandfathers and father down through the ages. "You've been whining about the cold so much and I needed the practice, I figured I may as well give you something to get over it. Even my constitution can only last so long, Steelfist."

"I will cherish it so long as it lasts, my friend." He pulls up a stool and sits next to the apprentice.

"You'd better, you have any idea what brana down costs these days?"

And with that the two fall into easy conversation and the man is allowed out of the cage for a time.
 
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The Book is for severe offenses requiring death. Being... pseudo-asian parents is not a crime but it should be discouraged by some proper grumbling due to how the resulting dawi to be a bundle of issues that he wouldn't have if he was raised right.
Bold of you to assume that average Dwarfs parenting isn't basically Asian Parenting but more grumbling, though, they at least repay family loyalty and are willing to go to bat for you, instead of merely expecting it and not doing anything for you in your time of need.

But yes, Tholin's parents need a stern grumbling for going beyond that into the memenic level of Asian Parenting where they'd be disappointed that you got a 100% instead of an 110% on an exam.
 
From the day he was born and they had known he would take on the family's legacy properly, his parents have...pushed...him to excel. Have not allowed him to rest on his laurels or at all. They have known he would be the best because they have pruned every other possibility. They have ensured his name will go down in the annals of Kraka Drak as a legend of worth for they have mangled the mere mortal who might otherwise weigh that ability down.
I hate how the lesson his parents will take from this is that they succeeded. Beyond all measures of success, sure, they might be disliked for it, but that is nothing compared to succeeding in getting their progeny into such a storied lineage of craftsmen. One that will cement their bloodline for generations unless a great misfortune befalls them.

Because of course that's the type of stubborn hide-bound bastards dwarves are.
 
I hate how the lesson his parents will take from this is that they succeeded. Beyond all measures of success, sure, they might be disliked for it, but that is nothing compared to succeeding in getting their progeny into such a storied lineage of craftsmen. One that will cement their bloodline for generations unless a great misfortune befalls them.

Because of course that's the type of stubborn hide-bound bastards dwarves are.
If good things never happened to bad people, the world would be a very different place.
 
They talk about other things too, of course. Exactly what they think of his parents. An assessment he can't quite disregard. For all some part of him can't fully agree with it, either.

Jeez, we need to set this boy up with one of Dolgi's girls. He needs some love and perspective when it comes to healthy relationships. Unfortunatly it'll honor his parent more, undeserving wazzoks.
 
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