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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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[x] [Number:] 3
[x] [Apprentice:] Svina Brunasdottir of Clan Bolgisson
[x] [Apprentice:] Alma Almasdottir of Clan Winterhearth
[x] [Apprentice:] Yorri Oldorsson of Clan Winterhearth

[x] [Anniversary:] Tor Vernath's dockyards welcome visitors from across the mountains and sea. Champion, Brother, Cursed, Morelion. [Morelion and co. visits Tor Vernath on behalf of his sister the Everqueen]


Maybe Mike said:
Soulcake is the cruelest god SV has ever known, for making such adorable beard and plaitlings and then DENYING US ALL BUT SOME OF THEM.

CRUEL SOUL CAKE, CRUEL CRUEL CRUEL!!!
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It was the thread who voted that Snorri wouldn't take any apprentice. We could have had all of them, but noo...

:lol:
 
[x] [Anniversary:] Tor Vernath's dockyards welcome visitors from across the mountains and sea. Champion, Brother, Cursed, Morelion. [Morelion and co. visits Tor Vernath on behalf of his sister the Everqueen]

[x] [Number:] 2
[x] [Apprentice:] Svina Brunasdottir of Clan Bolgisson
[x] [Apprentice:] Alma Almasdottir of Clan Winterhearth

*name* said:
Why is FGO da Vinci here and why is she giving everyone the sassy secretary look?
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No, no that's Taylor Hebert, the future Dawi Skitter!

seonor said:
It was the thread who voted that Snorri wouldn't take any apprentice. We could have had all of them, but noo...

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My bad, if I known about Alma, I would have voted for Snorri!
 
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[x] [Apprentice:] Svina Brunasdottir of Clan Bolgisson
[x] [Apprentice:] Alma Almasdottir of Clan Winterhearth
[x] [Apprentice:] Yorri Oldorsson of Clan Winterhearth

Any of these 3, UGH i love all of them.... so cruel, cruelcake!
 
[X] [Anniversary:] Tor Vernath's dockyards welcome visitors from across the mountains and sea. Champion, Brother, Cursed, Morelion. [Morelion and co. visits Tor Vernath on behalf of his sister the Everqueen]
 
Jrin said:
No, no that's Taylor Hebert, the future Dawi Skitter!
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. . . does Taylor have blue eyes?

also it takes 10 turns to teach a student right? why does alma look like she will spend those 4 extra turns from graduating her apprenticeship creating some legendary mythic item?
don't learn something on the tech tree at 166.67% speed & invent a space ship or create a fully complete periodic table or built a runic Helicopter or a Runic Round Tank or a Rune laden f-15 or a ball of whirling blades (Dwarf sized chariot/motorcycle, yes~yes?) Alma
 
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[x] [Apprentice:] Svina Brunasdottir of Clan Bolgisson
[x] [Apprentice:] Alma Almasdottir of Clan Winterhearth
[x] [Apprentice:] Yorri Oldorsson of Clan Winterhearth

[X] [Anniversary:] The Gates below open at His order. By Rune be called, by Rune be strengthened. Spectres, Spirits, Ancestors. [The Mouth of the Underearth is just a bit more literal.]

[X] [Number:] 3

Screw it. Three apprentices it is!
 
[X] [Anniversary:] Strange things up here ya know, rules break and one must make do, sooner waste ale than give them a show. [Speed along Far Northern penchant to roll with the strange occurrences.]
[X] [Anniversary:] Now I'm not discounting the work of Morgrim's folk, but I can't share a toast with whatever that new gadget is. [Progress development of Far Northern Dawi preferring allies over tech.]
 
[X] [Anniversary:] Zhufbar seeks to harness torrents of a different sort. Harness the sky, gas that lifts and madness of youth. [Experiments with lighter than air ships start earlier.]

[X] [Apprentice:] Svina Brunasdottir of Clan Bolgisson
 
[X] [Number:] 3
[X] [Apprentice:] Yorri Oldorsson of Clan Winterhearth
[X] [Apprentice:] Svina Brunasdottir of Clan Bolgisson
[X] [Apprentice:] Alma Almasdottir of Clan Winterhearth

[X] [Anniversary:] The Gates below open at His order. By Rune be called, by Rune be strengthened. Spectres, Spirits, Ancestors. [The Mouth of the Underearth is just a bit more literal.]
 
[X] [Number:] 3
[X] [Apprentice:] Yorri Oldorsson of Clan Winterhearth
[X] [Apprentice:] Svina Brunasdottir of Clan Bolgisson
[X] [Apprentice:] Alma Almasdottir of Clan Winterhearth

[X] [Anniversary:] The Gates below open at His order. By Rune be called, by Rune be strengthened. Spectres, Spirits, Ancestors. [The Mouth of the Underearth is just a bit more literal.]
 
Just had an idea what could have happened when Snori looked at Karstah making that rune and messed the process up.

What we Know
  1. Runesmiths like all dwarfs actively reject the winds naturally, the Stilling Field
  2. Runelords more so than normal Runesmiths have not just a more powerful, but a more active stilling field. Magic flinches under Snori's gaze even when he is not dispelling
  3. During the act of creation a Runesmith's Stilling Field narrows and they eventually start channeling magic though their soul which they order into rune-magic and press into the runes

Hypothesis
Runic energy (not the effects of runes but the raw stuff that is forged in the act of crafting) is far more sensitive to the actions of a runesmith's soul than the winds would be so when a non-forging Runesmith (Snori) focused his attention on the stream of runic energy Karstah was using it violently ripped its way out of her grasp with such force it caused some danage to those parts of her soul that can manipulate magic.
 
DragonParadox said:
Just had an idea what could have happened when Snori looked at Karstah making that rune and messed the process up.

What we Know
  1. Runesmiths like all dwarfs actively reject the winds naturally, the Stilling Field
  2. Runelords more so than normal Runesmiths have not just a more powerful, but a more active stilling field. Magic flinches under Snori's gaze even when he is not dispelling
  3. During the act of creation a Runesmith's Stilling Field narrows and they eventually start channeling magic though their soul which they order into rune-magic and press into the runes

Hypothesis
Runic energy (not the effects of runes but the raw stuff that is forged in the act of crafting) is far more sensitive to the actions of a runesmith's soul than the winds would be so when a non-forging Runesmith (Snori) focused his attention on the stream of runic energy Karstah was using it violently ripped its way out of her grasp with such force it caused some danage to those parts of her soul that can manipulate magic.
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I think what happened follows this to some extent, however the biggest issue with the theory is that Snorri has observed apprentices forging many times in the past and it was fine. It seems like windsight is altering the soul enough that the observation becomes dangerous potentially because as you said, the runic magic starts being suppressed where it usually isn't without windsight active.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
I think what happened follows this to some extent, however the biggest issue with the theory is that Snorri has observed apprentices forging many times in the past and it was fine. It seems like windsight is altering the soul enough that the observation becomes dangerous potentially because as you said, the runic magic starts being suppressed where it usually isn't without windsight active.
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The difference is he wasn't observing magically then, he was just looking at the physical act. It's not that his soul is different from the witch-sight I don't think, it's that his stilling field is subconsciously perceiving 'magic I can see' as 'magic that should be blasted far far away from here'.
 
DragonParadox said:
Just had an idea what could have happened when Snori looked at Karstah making that rune and messed the process up.

What we Know
  1. Runesmiths like all dwarfs actively reject the winds naturally, the Stilling Field
  2. Runelords more so than normal Runesmiths have not just a more powerful, but a more active stilling field. Magic flinches under Snori's gaze even when he is not dispelling
  3. During the act of creation a Runesmith's Stilling Field narrows and they eventually start channeling magic though their soul which they order into rune-magic and press into the runes

Hypothesis
Runic energy (not the effects of runes but the raw stuff that is forged in the act of crafting) is far more sensitive to the actions of a runesmith's soul than the winds would be so when a non-forging Runesmith (Snori) focused his attention on the stream of runic energy Karstah was using it violently ripped its way out of her grasp with such force it caused some danage to those parts of her soul that can manipulate magic.
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Sure, and if you're assuming that Runic Energy is distinct from the Winds of Magic, the problem is we cannot perceive Runic Energy. How does he focus his attention on something he cannot perceive?

The Winds of Magic entering Karstah or emerging from Karstah did not react to his gaze or presence either. I guess you could be thinking that the winds we saw were the Runic Energy - but if that's the case, then they didn't react at all. The interaction was between Stilling Fields.

This hypothesis also ignores the information present in turn 59 results pt 2 during the Anoqeyan section. Its abundantly obvious that the behavior of Snorri's Stilling Field has changed, and so has its capabilities, because he is aware of it. Furthermore, now that he is aware of it, its been made clear that his state of mind while speaking Anoqeyan influences it. We also know that stronger stilling fields supersede weaker ones.

A much simpler hypothesis that assumes less is that his ability to observe his own Stilling Field plus his observing state of mind and the fact that his stilling field is stronger than Karstah's, smothered her own and prevented it from shrinking.
 
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BungieONI said:
Sure, and if you're assuming that Runic Energy is distinct from the Winds of Magic, the problem is we cannot perceive Runic Energy. How does he focus his attention on something he cannot perceive?

The Winds of Magic entering Karstah or emerging from Karstah did not react to his gaze or presence either. I guess you could be thinking that the winds we saw were the Runic Energy - but if that's the case, then they didn't react at all. The interaction was between Stilling Fields.

This hypothesis also ignores the information present in turn 59 results pt 2 during the Anoqeyan section. Its abundantly obvious that the behavior of Snorri's Stilling Field has changed, and so has its capabilities, because he is aware of it. Furthermore, now that he is aware of it, its been made clear that his state of mind while speaking Anoqeyan influences it. We also know that stronger stilling fields supersede weaker ones.

A much simpler hypothesis that assumes less is that his ability to observe his own Stilling Field plus his observing state of mind and the fact that his stilling field is stronger than Karstah's, smothered her own and prevented it from shrinking.
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That would be a good point, but I think it has the flaw of assuming that reacting to Anoqeyan is unusual and due to Snori being able to see it. After all we know it reacts to the (Archaic) Khazalid that goes into the act of Runesmithing, whether the chant is spoken or just thought. We cannot really test it because Snori would never do it, but my bet is if he were speaking Dark Tongue it would also do something, that any arcane language can make a runesmith's stilling field react.
 
DragonParadox said:
That would be a good point, but I think it has the flaw of assuming that reacting to Anoqeyan is unusual and due to Snori being able to see it. After all we know it reacts to the (Archaic) Khazalid that goes into the act of Runesmithing, whether the chant is spoken or just thought. We cannot really test it because Snori would never do it, but my bet is if he were speaking Dark Tongue it would also do something, that any arcane language can make a runesmith's stilling field react.
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The khazalid actually doesn't do anything other than get the runesmith in the right state of mind. Anoqeyan was the only one where speaking it actually caused a reaction.

Based on the stringent requirements to get the rune of windsight to actually work, coupled with the weird interactions the stilling field has with it active vs inactive, I think the rune works by directly modifying the soul.
 
DragonParadox said:
That would be a good point, but I think it has the flaw of assuming that reacting to Anoqeyan is unusual and due to Snori being able to see it. After all we know it reacts to the (Archaic) Khazalid that goes into the act of Runesmithing, whether the chant is spoken or just thought. We cannot really test it because Snori would never do it, but my bet is if he were speaking Dark Tongue it would also do something, that any arcane language can make a runesmith's stilling field react.
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Nah. During the Anoqeyan section Menlinwen specifies that his Stilling Field didn't react to speaking Anoqeyan until now, after he has changed what he can do with the Eye.

Also, go back to the sections talking about his forgings - the chant helps him get into the right state of mind. But his soul and the trance state are what his Field actually reacts to. Otherwise you'd expect the Chants to be necessary when they fundamentally aren't.

LaggPlaguedDuke said:
The khazalid actually doesn't do anything other than get the runesmith in the right state of mind. Anoqeyan was the only one where speaking it actually caused a reaction.

Based on the stringent requirements to get the rune of windsight to actually work, coupled with the weird interactions the stilling field has with it active vs inactive, I think the rune works by directly modifying the soul.
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This would make sense, especially since Witchsight is a sense of the soul to begin with, and there are multiple references to it working even if a Wizard's mortal senses are blocked.
 
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