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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Woltaire said:
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Cheap Orange Knife is asking if the Husband's Clan gets compensation for the husband joining the Clan of his wife.

The husband joining the wife's clan is the more Traditional option, but it is a matter of negotiation.

soulcake said:
Whether the married couple joins the Wifes Clan (Old Lore) or whether they join the Husbands:
(Quest Canon) It depends on the dynamics of the Clans involved. If standing is equal and these are the average Clan, then it's usually the couple's choice though tradition does favour entering the Wife's Clan. It can be a point of discussion in the negotiations and having the woman join the Husbands Clan does increase the bride price paid (Yes there is a setting for that on the scales). In instances where there's a power imbalance they usually end up with the more prestigious Clan. For Noble Clans the same holds true though determining power between them is a bit more complex. Runesmith Clans are, once again, weird. If you don't have The Gift, all the above I just mentioned applies, though a Runesmith Clan is almost always stronger if in negotiations with any Clan that isn't another Runesmith Clan. If you have The Gift, the Clan bends its considerable resources to keep you and your new spouse in the Clan, because you've proven your blood runs especially true. Marrying someone who isn't part of another Runesmith Clan when you have The Gift is also more difficult, but depends on the stance of the Clan's Elders frankly. Dolgi had to do a lot to get the Clan to greenlight letting him pursue Klorah(Something he's proven to be a worthwhile investment and a point of pride among his family and source of joy for his Clan).
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TimEd said:
Or, they just save up enough to "afford" the bridal price.
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Just a reminder that Snorri deals in enough Gromril at a time to equip holds and clans.
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A set of Pure Gromril armour so massive that an entire Clan could equip themselves with Gromril weapons from the amount of metal used. Each individual plate is enough to beggar any but the eldest and richest dwarfs of a hold, fitted to provide maximum mobility as well as protection
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He'll probably have been giving some kind of contribution to the Winterhearth clan treasury for most of his life. Even if Snorri is anomalously rich, don't underestimate the wealth of Runesmithing clans.

Cheap Orange Knofe said:
And the poor family instead gets compensation for losing a member?
But less because not a female. :confused:
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Yes I believe so.
And also less because not a Runesmith.
 
I didn't realize it before, but although we have taught our apprentices how to make Adamant, but I don't know how they are going to get voidstone.
 
Gromril costs money to acquire (unless you're Snorri)

That one of our apprentices could afford to equip the Scions of the sky at all is crazy, as it would've been an otherwise ruinous expense to get the raw materials necessary

Chances are it just isnt worth the expense for them to make Smelters of their own yet
 
TehChron said:
Gromril costs money to acquire (unless you're Snorri)

That one of our apprentices could afford to equip the Scions of the sky at all is crazy, as it would've been an otherwise ruinous expense to get the raw materials necessary

Chances are it just isnt worth the expense for them to make Smelters of their own yet
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I expect that selling even a single bar of Adamant would pay back the expense 10 times over. That is normally just plain not for sale and plenty of money is no object runelords want more. What they used to pay for Adamant blew even Snorri's mind.
 
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fictionfan said:
I expect that selling even a single bar of Adamant would pay back the expense 10 times over. That is normally just plain not for sale and plenty of money is no object runelords want more. What they used to pay for Adamant blew even Snorri's mind.
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I suppose, though I imagine such a frivolous use for Adamant isnt something that would.occur to Dolgi, Snerra, or Fjolla
 
I imagine some kind of long term contract, multi-century or so, with one of the cults or a major hold. Trading a hefty chunk of the output for a set period, either in ingots or as finished works, in exchange for the materials and reagents to set up a furnace.
 
Dolgi wouldn't have paid for the gromril for the Princes' armor directly though since the commissioner is usually the one to pay for material costs. The Princes probably paid for the gromril costs upfront or provided the material that they bought beforehand.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
Dolgi wouldn't have paid for the gromril for the Princes' armor directly though since the commissioner is usually the one to pay for material costs. The Princes probably paid for the gromril costs upfront or provided the material that they bought beforehand.
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Yeah, that's the most obvious way to handle a commission like that from a relatively young runesmith like Dolgi - Pay the materials cost up front (you know they're good for it, and you want them specifically) and the rest on delivery. Given dwarves this kind of arrangement is probably relatively rare, but happens enough it isn't shocking, and usually involves some reason they want to commission that specific runesmith for that work, even knowing their experience is lacking (as is shown by their lack of enough money to handle the up front costs themselves).
 
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fictionfan said:
We have not felt any lack for a long time. After all we only use Adamant for named items and many of our actions are used on research and production commissions.
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The only reason that's the case is because we lack adamant for more projects. You've got a bit of chicken and egg reasoning going on here. We're saving slowly over time to accrue enough Adamant to use for the Grimnir Gronti, and that means we can't use it elsewhere.
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
The only reason that's the case is because we lack adamant for more projects. You've got a bit of chicken and egg reasoning going on here. We're saving slowly over time to accrue enough Adamant to use for the Grimnir Gronti, and that means we can't use it elsewhere.
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What no.
I'm happy to spend adamant on things, we just can't use it on bulk orders because it would require hundreds. We've spent the last lot of turns doing research before moving into simple requests. This isn't deliberate stockpiling for a Gronti.
 
Dark as Silver said:
What no.
I'm happy to spend adamant on things, we just can't use it on bulk orders because it would require hundreds. We've spent the last lot of turns doing research before moving into simple requests. This isn't deliberate stockpiling for a Gronti.
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Be fun for the flex if we had enough adamant for a bulk order, but frankly its really nice for Difficult Requests like armor and such for obvious reasons.
 
Dark as Silver said:
What no.
I'm happy to spend adamant on things, we just can't use it on bulk orders because it would require hundreds. We've spent the last lot of turns doing research before moving into simple requests. This isn't deliberate stockpiling for a Gronti.
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That still sounds like the issue is a supply bottle neck. Granted we'd probably not want to use them on bulk orders even then, but the point remains we're supply constrained not demand constrained. We can't do the Grimnir Gronti because we lack the supply to do it at the level a lot of people want to do.
 
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That still sounds like the issue is a supply bottle neck. Granted we'd probably not want to use them on bulk orders even then, but the point remains we're supply constrained not demand constrained. We can't do the Grimnir Gronti because we lack the supply to do it at the level a lot of people want to do.
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I think its an expectations bottle neck. over the last couple of turns Snorri has churned out hundreds of suits of armour each of which would take three ingots. If this is a conservative estimate of 300 Adamant cost, that would be the output of 3 millennia of a single smelter.
Lets assume that Snorri makes a smelter every turn until we have stockpiled 300. Conveniently we can use the linear equations of motion for this, where distance is the stockpile, velocity is rate we're getting adamant and acceleration is the amount a new smelter produces
Initial stockpile = 32
Desired stockpile =300 Therefore Adamant needed =268
Initial rate of income = 2
Final rate of income = ?
Acceleration =1
Turns taken = ?

268 = 2* Turns + 1/2*1*Turns^2
about the final smelter comes online in turn 22 and at this point we've got an income of 24 bars per turn. Which is enough to pick up a job like that every 4 turns or so.
Conservatively, remember this doesn't cover weapons or talismans and 100 may be an underestimate of how many Valk Guards there are, this is the best possible price estimate.

Its impossible for us to say what the benefits of further researching the master rune and smelter could do to change this value, however I assume its approximately similar to Snorri disregarding one of the tenants of his faith with extreme prejudice.

Secondly the next problem is that people are adjusting their expectations of what the Gronti should be according to what they consider is the maximum effort we can put in.
The addition of a T5 Gromril variant will have some people shouting for that, and the fact that we can produce a full armoured Adamant Gronti slower than we can make the required adamant will have people asking to build an even larger Gronti that costs more. Hence I think this will always be a supply problem, because the demand is "Strech Snorri's considerable resources and skill to make the most decadant possible tribute to the gods."

And the final problem... Even if the timeline was more realistic, not everyone wants to do that. Industrialisation question just doesn't do it for many people in this quest.
 
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