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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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IronFist said:
Assuming alaric was born a thousand years before he made the runefangs, that would still be at least two thousand years in the future. Probably more.

I would hope Snerra finds someone she likes long before she has to resort to that degree of cradle robbing.

Even Fjolla managed and she is notoriously picky.
I'd be surprised if Snerra's beerguard isn't beating suitors away for her (she's too nice to beat them away herself).
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What are the Odds that he's going to end up our one of our descendants?
Catpetter1981 said:
These are Dawi we are talking about. In a mere 1,000 years' time, a 350-years age gap will seem like nothing when one of them is 1,000 years old and the other is 1,350 years old.
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Far more likely she's his mother or something.
 
Wait. If Snerra were to marry, would she have to leave the Clan? According to the character sheet Fjolla has joined her husband's clan. (Master Runesmith: Fjolla Igunsdottir of Clan Hrokisson). I know that there was some kind of discussion regarding Fjolla's allegiance, but I didn't know that it resolved itself.
 
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Czes said:
Wait. If Snerra were to marry, would she have to leave the Clan? According to the character sheet Fjolla has joined her husband's clan. (Master Runesmith: Fjolla Igunsdottir of Clan Hrokisson). I know that there was some kind of discussion regarding Fjolla's allegiance, but I didn't know that it resolved itself.
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It depends on the relative social status's of the two spouses and the two clans. She probably wouldn't have to given how skilled she is and how prestigious Winterhearth is, particularly in the Far North.

And Fjolla didn't join Joll's clan, she's always been Hrokisson, which is an offshoot of Winterhearth.
 
Czes said:
Wait. If Snerra were to marry, would she have to leave the Clan? According to the character sheet Fjolla has joined her husband's clan. (Master Runesmith: Fjolla Igunsdottir of Clan Hrokisson). I know that there was some kind of discussion regarding Fjolla's allegiance, but I didn't know that it resolved itself.
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Also, Fjolla and Joll haven't actually married yet. Dawi engagements and weddings take decades to centuries of planning and negotiation, and there's no way the wedding took place offscreen without vignettes of Snorri and Yorri trolling their students.
 
Czes said:
Wait. If Snerra were to marry, would she have to leave the Clan? According to the character sheet Fjolla has joined her husband's clan. (Master Runesmith: Fjolla Igunsdottir of Clan Hrokisson). I know that there was some kind of discussion regarding Fjolla's allegiance, but I didn't know that it resolved itself.
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Thats pretty surprising.
soulcake said:
Another consequence would be that her family would be particularly aggressive about keeping her in the Clan. Joll had told her that his Clan didn't particularly favour one tradition over the other, and that meant they were flexible enough about the whole thing if there was sufficient recompense for losing a Runesmith they'd go along with it.
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Sounded like it was basically settled Joll was joining her clan.
Does anyone remember what clan she was originally? I don't think she was a Winterhearth.
So the negotiations would decide that, as a rule though, if she's marrying a non runesmith then they would marry into the Runesmith clan. Keeping control of the gift is pretty much the most important thing for them. But it can go either way when two runesmiths marry each other.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Thats pretty surprising.

Sounded like it was basically settled Joll was joining her clan.
Does anyone remember what clan she was originally? I don't think she was a Winterhearth.
So the negotiations would decide that, as a rule though, if she's marrying a non runesmith then they would marry into the Runesmith clan. Keeping control of the gift is pretty much the most important thing for them. But it can go either way when two runesmiths marry each other.
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Hroki is Snorri's older brother. Clan Hrokisson is the result of an amicable split in Winterhearth, probably due to not fitting in Winterhearth hold anymore. (like the Ynnlinsons)

It's a young clan, in that the current generation of elders are the direct children of the founder.
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@soulcake: would Snerra marrying into Clan Bryggeroot fix the debt issue or make it worse?
I think it would put the clan in debt to Winterhearth, but change the nature of the debt to Snerra.
 
This discussion about clans has also gotten me thinking specifically about Dolgi and Fjolla in the wider context of Kraka Drakk's Master runesmiths. Snorri recently mused in the Turn 40 Results that many of the oldest masters who survived the Siege are passing away, though the process of passing from one generation to the next will take centuries more.

soulcake said:
It has been so long now that even some of the original Runesmiths from the Hold's founding have begun passing. The eldest masters, survivors of the Siege and those you worked alongside in the earliest bits of the Hold's construction, grow smaller and smaller with each passing decade. It will take centuries more, but soon only those who were Journeymen and younger during the Siege will be the eldest, then their apprentices, and then…
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They were the apprentices Snorri came to Kraka Drakk with before the Hold was properly dug out, which is one thing that will influence their status, melding the two ideas that they are Snorri's apprentices (default level of prestigious) and age. Given their age and still being Journeymen during the Siege I expect them to be getting up there in the younger bracket of masters and in two or three centuries they'll be among the oldest Masters. Though a sobering thought I've had, we're likely to see both Dolgi and Fjolla pass away in the next fifty or so turns unless they happen to ascend to Runelord status and leave Kraka Drakk, or otherwise find the will to keep going past their first millennium.

It's kinda mindboggling to try and wrap my head around how much time has passed but Karstah and Nain are already in their 220s.
 
IronFist said:
@soulcake: would Snerra marrying into Clan Bryggeroot fix the debt issue or make it worse?
I think it would put the clan in debt to Winterhearth, but change the nature of the debt to Snerra.
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In the unlikely event that such a thing happens (since again, Runesmith Clans are very possessive of their Runesmiths) then Clan Bryggeroot is still indebted to Snerra personally.

The debt they have to Clan Winterhearth is "evened out" by the exchange of wealth upon marriage. Since a woman who is ALSO a skilled artisan is even more valuable, economically speaking where Runesmiths are on the upper extremes of that scale. Thats how marriages work for Dwarfs. The cost a Clan incurs losing a daughter is paid back by the other Clan.
 
@soulcake did Snorri bring the entire Hearth Guard with him or just a part of it?

If he brought any Brana down it would be interesting to see dwarves outside of the far north react to the idea of non-dwarven retainers.
 
You know what would be neat? if the two ancestors that attended the Rhunkalbrogg last time came again and approved of our idea of spreading the rune after the rest of the attendees tried to do something like shame us for attempting to do something so brazen, only for us to follow up that entire situation almost immediately with presenting the method for gromril chain, the look on the attendees faces >_<
 
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Jreengus said:
@soulcake did Snorri bring the entire Hearth Guard with him or just a part of it?

If he brought any Brana down it would be interesting to see dwarves outside of the far north react to the idea of non-dwarven retainers.
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Our Brana are currently being taught by the king of the new Brana roost after the Hearthguard saved their offspring. It is likely that he brought the entire Heartguard.

Edit: Did all four of our Brana get the training or only two of them? I retract my point, should the latter be the case.
 
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Czes said:
Our Brana are currently being taught by the king of the new Brana roost after the Hearthguard saved their offspring. It is likely that he brought the entire Heartguard.

Edit: Did all four of our Brana get the training or only two of them? I retract my point, should the latter be the case.
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Only two are down as training, and I kinda figured they were training inbetween their other duties rather than instead of
soulcake said:
x4 Branakroki, each counts as 2. Characters of Note:
- Nightfeather/He who is One with Darkness
- Amberclaw/She who's Talons Hold Amber[Ghur User] (Bloodhunter In-training)
- Rimesong/She who Sings Snow into Creation [Azyr User] (Stormcaller In-training)
- Emberplume/He who has Burning Wings
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Jreengus said:
Only two are down as training, and I kinda figured they were training inbetween their other duties rather than instead of
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I generally assume that all our Hearthguard are taking time to train. The time to stop learning is when you are dead and maybe not even then. I don't know what dwarfs do in the afterlife.
 
Jreengus said:
@soulcake did Snorri bring the entire Hearth Guard with him or just a part of it?

If he brought any Brana down it would be interesting to see dwarves outside of the far north react to the idea of non-dwarven retainers.
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no he sent most of hearthguard to kill some beastmen and left a small amount of hearth guard to stay with him for journey south, The update doeasn''t say if he brought brana but I suspect not since they be traveling in underway most of the time and then enter a hold not designed for brana, then deal with a lot of dwarves giving them stares,exc exc just not worth the hassle when they are much more suited to be with rest of hearthguard killing beastmen.
 
soulcake said:
In the unlikely event that such a thing happens (since again, Runesmith Clans are very possessive of their Runesmiths) then Clan Bryggeroot is still indebted to Snerra personally.

The debt they have to Clan Winterhearth is "evened out" by the exchange of wealth upon marriage. Since a woman who is ALSO a skilled artisan is even more valuable, economically speaking where Runesmiths are on the upper extremes of that scale. Thats how marriages work for Dwarfs. The cost a Clan incurs losing a daughter is paid back by the other Clan.
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What if the Clan the Daughter Runsmith Joins is a poor clan? Or one that suddenly came into hard times due to the death of many of it's members/loss of property due to disaster/ or simply poor.
 
Cheap Orange Knofe said:
What if the Clan the Daughter Runsmith Joins is a poor clan? Or one that suddenly came into hard times due to the death of many of it's members/loss of property due to disaster/ or simply poor.
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I'm fairly sure a man can also join the woman's clan, so I would assume that the richer more powerful clan is the one who keeps their dwarf and gets the other to join independent of gender.
 
Cheap Orange Knofe said:
What if the Clan the Daughter Runsmith Joins is a poor clan? Or one that suddenly came into hard times due to the death of many of it's members/loss of property due to disaster/ or simply poor.
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"You can't marry him!"
Daughter brandishes runic weaponry.
"Just try and stop me!"

Or more realistically, he joins her clan, problem solved.
 
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