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... ya know what? If someone would be to know the physical principles behind a railgun... it would be an runesmith.
Question is how would we go about such... 'stringless crossbow'?
 
... ya know what? If someone would be to know the physical principles behind a railgun... it would be an runesmith.
Question is how would we go about such... 'stringless crossbow'?
Probably some sort of strategically placed "rune of force" made to activate whenever we pull the trigger. We might get something to help us along the path if we complete Algrim's crossbow challenge. Since his dad Argalast is famous for mono focusing on runes for ranged weapons.
 
Do Structural Runes usually run out of Power and have to recharge as a side effect of their increased potency?

Have we tried making all those conduits and arrays out of Adamant instead of Gromril to see what happens?
1. Not anymore often than other Runes, proportionally speaking.
2. Idk, Its not like you're laying down lines of Adamant/Gromril piping to do this. I guess its worth considering. Gonna go think about it.
 
1. Not anymore often than other Runes, proportionally speaking.

Interesting! The reason I asked was because it seemed like particularly powerful effects like Zon-Dum and many of Brynna's other runes have been protracted as burning through their energy quickly.

Since Structural Runes have such potent effects, I figured they might be extremely energy hungry and wondered if that meant they often had to spend awhile charging from the ambient energy. It's very interesting that they don't! That probably means that Ogra's Karak fortifications are just at the extremely potent end of the scale for Structural Runes, like Zon-Dum is for Armor Runes.

The first found worthy and only discovered in the tattered journals of Kemma Starlocks, was one Ogra Iggunsdottir. And more noticeably, the only candidate that was, currently, housed in a minor hold. Only two years shy of 700, Ogra had a specialty in Static Runes and an extensive history of working on learning the secrets of the Ancestor Runes. The only reason her home of Karak Krum survived was due to a massive Runic array similar to the one on your banner that she had made. Trading its mobility to turn the Karaks surface defences into an unassailable fortification for enemy mages. Forcing a more traditional siege that Krum's defenders would more easily handle. Speaking of tradition, the woman was about as conservative as you got in the North. You frankly didn't expect Kemma to have picked her, but you suppose that she wasn't one to let a difference of ideals stop her choices
As Ogra concludes her story, you busily digest and extrapolate what you've been given and realize something.

"The Incursion," you begin, looking at a nodding Ogra, "The reason Krum fared as well as it did then?"

" 'Only in direst need and most hopeless circumstance,' a decision that requires the unanimous and unequivocal agreement of the Clan's elders," she confirms.

[snip]

After another lengthy opening sequence, Ogra and you finally step into a large natural cavern with a massive, glyph-covered, stone column at the center. Surrounding it are several empty pedestals, while crystals engraved with the Rune of Light and other Runes you don't know light up the entire affair.

"This pillar extends all the way to the surface and is part of the reason why the Diamondback settled where we have alongside the general mineral wealth. You're staring at the most powerful Monolith we've found in our surveying of the region. Not that the Bitterstone and Coalfinger know that particular detail," Ogra explains.

"And those pedestals?"

"Several items were instrumental in securing the Karak, the Monolith ensured their continued function throughout as well as several of the Runic Arrays on the outer defences. The pedestals are little more than a convenient place to put them frankly."

I'm very excited to dive deeper into all this as Snorri picks up a Power specialization. The idea of putting supercharged defensive runes on our walls to make them indestructible calls to me! And the idea of making a chamber in the local hospital that has such a potent healing effect people inside can regrow limbs! And so, so many other ideas.
 
learns how to make runes that grow with the structure, then make runes that make walls grow and grows tougher. maybe the rune we get from the thugni trial? rune that makes karak defenses get bigger and stronger with age like a true dwarf
 
1. Not anymore often than other Runes, proportionally speaking.
2. Idk, Its not like you're laying down lines of Adamant/Gromril piping to do this. I guess its worth considering. Gonna go think about it.
Seems like it could be a particular case of the rule of form where a structural rune needs gromril threading the room to work properly.

Akazit your way to black powder, then make an adamant cannon with the master rune of acceleration.
Unbreakable runed Adamant barrels open up interesting possibilities now that you no longer have to worry about the barrel blowing up on you. Aqshy juiced black powder + Acceleration/speed/impact on the barrel + rune the cannonball for when you really need to kill a certain target. Or stick waking elemental on the ammunition for more mayhem.
 
...snorri can make a rune gun....and by gun I mean a wrist mounted grudge thrower that throws a ball shaped rock at supersonic speeds. guns after all are just more advanced catapults :V

just gotta figure out how to give it the ability to autoreload quickly

We already have a way for autoreloads. It just needs the [Master Rune of Waking] and the proper mechanism:
Allows the weapon to follow orders or act under its own power, but is still subject to the laws of physics (swords cannot levitate, crossbows can't reload without an existing mechanism, etc.).

Speaking of long-range weapons of mass destruction, I looked up the Rune List for the [Master Rune of Zon-Dum], which is an Armour Rune, and I happen to notice this particular bit from soulcake's post:
Crossbows use Weapon Runes.
A Gronti sized Crossbow would use Engineering Runes.
Weapons like Axes don't make this distinction.
Shields use Armour Runes.
Armour Runes must be on Gromril or improved

I think we could've made a dwarf-portable laser gun many turns ago, it just needed to be in the shape of a shield.
 
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We already have a way for autoreloads. It just needs the [Master Rune of Waking] and the proper mechanism:

Speaking of long-range weapons of mass destruction, I looked up the Rune List for the [Master Rune of Zon-Dum], which is an Armour Rune, and I happen to notice this particular bit from soulcake's post:

I think we could've made a dwarf-portable laser gun many turns ago, it just needed to be in the shape of a shield.
Armor ZonDum is a bum. That's why Karstah did everyone a favor by converting it into a talisman a couple turns ago. She made Rudil a ZonDum helmet that he lazered the Shadow Hag with.

That turn also gave us the interesting tidbit that the vast majority of complexity of ZonDum went into the safeties so a dwarf can safely fire it. This implies only a small part handles the actual power being thrown around. So I have a proposal wherein we try to deliberately simplify ZonDum into a normal rune that keeps the power generation but files all the safeties off making it completely unsafe for normal dwarfs to use.

Then, create a combo with normal ZonDum, Forgeflame, and Siphoning, wherein forgeflame acts as the focuser for the beam and siphoning just dumps more power into the combo. Once packed back up, I'm hoping you end up with a new master rune that surpasses ZonDum in power and eliminates the gemstone requirement by requiring the rune be inscribed on in a way the beam passes through a focusing array to contain it. Still completely unsafe for a normal dwarf to fire but the adamant lizard won't care and I like the idea of using the teeth as the array to attenuate the beam.

There's quite a few assumptions in this plan, Skaud's breath needs to be Azyr based not Aqshy but I believe with forgeflame being built in to the compressed master rune, it'll be possible to change the element on the master rune in a way that would fail on the combo.
 
That turn also gave us the interesting tidbit that the vast majority of complexity of ZonDum went into the safeties so a dwarf can safely fire it. This implies only a small part handles the actual power being thrown around. So I have a proposal wherein we try to deliberately simplify ZonDum into a normal rune that keeps the power generation but files all the safeties off making it completely unsafe for normal dwarfs to use.

Then, create a combo with normal ZonDum, Forgeflame, and Siphoning, wherein forgeflame acts as the focuser for the beam and siphoning just dumps more power into the combo. Once packed back up, I'm hoping you end up with a new master rune that surpasses ZonDum in power and eliminates the gemstone requirement by requiring the rune be inscribed on in a way the beam passes through a focusing array to contain it. Still completely unsafe for a normal dwarf to fire but the adamant lizard won't care and I like the idea of using the teeth as the array to attenuate the beam.
I think you're better off going down the power path of the secrets of light. Simplifying the master rune to a regular rune is likely to lose a lot of power.
 
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learns how to make runes that grow with the structure, then make runes that make walls grow and grows tougher. maybe the rune we get from the thugni trial? rune that makes karak defenses get bigger and stronger with age like a true dwarf

Learn how to make adamant foil and put a rune on it after covering the surface of a wall with it. It doesn't matter how thin it is if it's indestructible.
 
I think you're better off going down the power path of the secrets of light. Simplifying the master rune to a regular rune is likely to lose a lot of power.
I do think that 2ap on simplifying ZonDum would mean the simple research would finish of 3b for us that turn but who knows if there's more parts to it. Part of the reason I want to simplify it, is as a windsight experiment to see if we can actually start picking and choosing what parts to keep while simplifying.
 
Learn how to make adamant foil and put a rune on it after covering the surface of a wall with it. It doesn't matter how thin it is if it's indestructible.
That's silly. If you send a boulder on your adamant-gilded wall, the adamant might be fine, but it won't magically stop the force crashing down on the wall. That force will be transmitted to the stone, which is perfectly destructible. And you'll end with nice, pretty, adamant-gilded rubble. Very shiny.
 
That's silly. If you send a boulder on your adamant-gilded wall, the adamant might be fine, but it won't magically stop the force crashing down on the wall. That force will be transmitted to the stone, which is perfectly destructible. And you'll end with nice, pretty, adamant-gilded rubble. Very shiny.

If the adamant can't be deformed, I don't think you would, as the sheet of adamant can only be moved as a single piece, which would spread the force across the entire wall.
 
Rune of Operation (Talismanic/Command/Flexible/Odd) -> This rune, when activated alongside a rune of Parameter, sends a certain thrum of power to a nearby Master Rune of Compiling that will generate a defined effect. (Variant exemples: Generate Lightning, Generate Flame, Increase Morale, Reduce Morale)

Rune of Parameter (Talismanic/Command/Flexible/Odd) - > This rune, when activated alongside a Rune of Operation, will send a certain thrum of power that will define the parameters of an effect. (Variant Exemples: In a line fowards, Around the Rune, on the Activator)

Lonely Rune of Compiling (Lonely/Banner/Trigger/Flexible/Odd) - > The whole porpouse of this rune is translating the thrums of power from nearby Runes into actionable effects.

These three runes are capable of comunicating with each other even when on different items, a dwarf that has 5 rings with Runes of Operation and 5 rings with Runes of Parameters can create a total of 25 diferrent effects originating from their Lonely Master Rune of Compiling. Other dwarfs with Runes of O&P can send their own combinations to a nearby Lonely Runes of Compiling. Just try not to AOE fireball your own troops.

These are a TTK (Total Throng Kill) waiting to happen, I am not even sure if this deserves the Lonely category, I just had a fun idea and wanted opnions on it.
 
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Rune of Operation (Talismanic/Command/Flexible/Odd) -> This rune, when activated alongside a rune of Parameter, sends a certain thrum of power to a nearby Master Rune of Compiling that will generate define effect. (Variant exemples: Generate Lightning, Generate Flame, Increase Morale, Reduce Morale)

Rune of Parameter (Talismanic/Command/Flexible/Odd) - > This rune, when activated alongside a Rune of Operation, will send a certain thrum of power that will define the parameters of an effect. (Variant Exemples: In a line fowards, Around the Rune, on the Activator)
Errr this is probably too close to Thungni's runestaffs effect of be a wizard to be available outside of Divine gear tier?
Guess we'll see what soulcake rules/
 
Viraen Silverbreeze didn't necessarily want to be here. No that was being too polite, he thought as he tried his best to get the most warriors, be they Elven or the shorter folk, as possible between himself and the frontline. He is very much displeased at all of this. Not that he isn't a proud son of Cothique, or that the war isn't necessary for a thousand reasons, it all was very much needed. But being this close to the frontline was not what he wanted, in the slightest, the fact that's he is this close to it because of the lack of progress in his actual passions just makes it all so bitter as well.

His's family has found such a fortune in the reagent market, there was always a market for the magically potent ingredients, there always will be, even the Dawi with their distrust for magic have a desire and need for them, driven on by their Runesmiths. While he was put through the paces when he was younger and faced the rather dangerous beasts that quite a few of the more potent reagents come from, he rather thought he'd left that behind him. After he had earned himself some breathing room and a small fortune from a rather lethal and painful hunt, he found what he rather be doing. Cataloging and researching the reagents his family had made their livelihood from.

It was wonderful, he was still helping his family, indirectly but still helping. He talked to Mages and learned what effects particular reagents caused and were good for, better ways of preserving them and how to tell what specimen would be most potent. He talked to scholars and mages and merchants, and his family benefited from it all! They were able to find better bargains and deals and customers because of him. Though yes, perhaps, when he left Cothique and used all of his personal fortune on a century-long tour across the breadth of Ulthuan to discover and catalog everything he could get his hands on, perhaps, that was ever so slightly irresponsible. It was incredibly fulfilling while doing it, seeing new things and learning from so many people, but coming home had been rather… uncomfortable. Especially when the first thing he did was ask to access the family's coffers so he could write a book about all he learned, that hadn't been his wisest moment.

So now here he was, his family had earned themselves a right to harvest some of the reagents from the pet monsters these One-eyed daemon worshiping filth employed. Mostly from his family's martial might, but he still took vindication that it was partly due to the increased knowledge and capabilities he provided said family. But that still placed him here, he didn't feel like a hunter or warrior anymore, he felt like he earned the right to call himself a scholar, but that clearly didn't matter. He been left unsure what to do with himself, but opportunity knocks. He had never had the chance to learn the Dawi's tongue, but the Runesmith who had come directly to his family looking to buy reagents from them after the latest battle had learned theirs. He managed to get a conversation with this Runesmith going by talking at length about the reagents available only in Ulthuan.

But what Viraen Silverbreeze managed to get out of that discussion was the Institution this Runesmith seemed very fond of, Khazagar, particularly its library. He was only able to get the barest of details about it, but from what he understood it was a library solely for these Runesmiths, a vast vault of magical lore. He had absolutely no chance of being allowed in of course, but it gave him an idea. A library always hungered for knowledge, and while he was sure its keepers were filling it the best they could, he was also sure there was a land that they didn't have much knowledge of. After this war was over trade between these Dawi and Ulthuan would surely increase, and the fact he was able to basically monologue for an hour or so on the reagents unique to Ulthuan to that Runesmith indicates to him that there is indeed a market here for what his family usually produces back in Cothique. What better way to increase demand for said reagents than having them be so beautifully and perfectly described in their own library, for every one of these Runesmiths to see. He gets to write his book, his family gets to find new customers, these Runesmiths have more knowledge on a section of the world they would have difficulty discovering. Perhaps he can even have the Dawi pay him to write this knowledge down for their library. That would be better than having to ask his family for funds again, and it would be another step closer to being the scholar he knows he is at heart.

(Never really done this before so hopefully it isn't too terrible, but the idea that the first person to write something for Khazagar's library outside of Snorri being an Elf was just really funny to me and I wanted to share that)

( (Edit: Changed Regent to Reagent) always miss something)
 
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