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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Noumero said:
You should definitely ask Reo. There's been this persistent concern that we're not involving our newly-adopted clanmates into things, and this is a prime example. We've specifically told him to work on this, and now we're just going to ignore him and go to Asuma?

No, wait, you should definitely not ask Reo. He's at best just a beginner and this is probably jounin-tier or beyond. He's predictably not going to be able to tell us anything, and that's going to make him feel useless and a disappointment. We've invested in him, arranged his training, and the one time we come to him, he's not even able to help us at the thing we told him to get good at?

No, wait, that's so patronizing and disrespectful of his agency. We should ask him. He might be able to contribute something, and he isn't an idiot: he'll be able to figure out that we're asking him as a long shot and that we understand it may be beyond him. Indeed, he'll likely be appreciative that we tried him at all.

No, wait, that's a losing political move. He's probably going to mention this to someone, and the anti-Hazou faction is going to spin this as "Hazou is trying to belittle and undermine the people outside his close-knit inner circle by presenting them with impossible challenges". Reo may handle it well, but if he doesn't, and spreads it around, it'll have an outsized negative effect!

No, wait, the same argument applies from the other side. Not asking Reo is a losing political move!

No, wait, asking Reo is a potential OPSEC breach and Asuma isn't going to be happy.

No, wait...
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[X] Kill Reo so we don't have to question whether or not we should involve him
 
How is this an OPSEC breach? We tell him that Hazou ran across some terms in some advanced sealing notes and he wasn't sure if they were common in THing. Then we hand him a list of terms.

We don't tell him what the terms are from or where we found them. This is basic need-to-know.
 
Sir Stompy said:
How is this an OPSEC breach? We tell him that Hazou ran across some terms in some advanced sealing notes and he wasn't sure if they were common in THing. Then we hand him a list of terms.

We don't tell him what the terms are from or where we found them. This is basic need-to-know.
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I think simply asking him if he recognizes any member of a list of terms probably wouldn't be a secrecy issue, but if he does recognize any of them, H&K are naturally going to want to figure out what those terms mean in the context of Minato's notes... which probably involves discussing the contents of the notes... and at this point it seems a lot better to talk to someone who has more expertise and is specifically cleared to know the contents of the notes.
 
Noumero said:
consider removing at least the "be clear why" part, plus removing Ma and Pa from the core meeting.
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Did both of these, not so much because I agree with the underlying sentiment but because I think that if we're going to pursue this, we should do it as a full scene etc.

Also Enma seems like a badass, I wonder if we could swap Asuma Scrolls. I love a Dog but Enma is the mentor we need.
 
Adhoc vote count started by eaglejarl on Jun 17, 2023 at 2:09 PM, finished with 192 posts and 22 votes.
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Voting is closed.
 
ProperAttorney said:
[X] Action Plan: Sealing is a Pathway to Many Abilities Yadda Yadda

Probably too late, but can you ask him if he has any genin or chuunin tracking seals we can learn? To start work in veterancy
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tossed it in since voting isnt closed yet (Lmao it closed as I made this post)

CaramilkThief said:
Have you considered asking both Reo and Asuma? If opsec allows that is.
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i dont think the opsec is a concern but i'll just stick with asuma to not have to mess with that discussion. (Well, too late anyways since voting just closed.)

FaintlySorcerous said:
Also Enma seems like a badass, I wonder if we could swap Asuma Scrolls. I love a Dog but Enma is the mentor we need.
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In another lifetime it would've been cool for Hazou to get the Rats. They seem to suit his personality really well. Would love to become better friends with them and exchange philosophy and shit. Honestly I'm kind of hoping we can get them for Akane. They're sane, reasonable, they value life like she does, and would help her become the person she wants to be.
 
eaglejarl said:
Adhoc vote count started by eaglejarl on Jun 17, 2023 at 2:09 PM, finished with 192 posts and 22 votes.
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Voting is closed.
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It's Kagome time LET'S FUCKING GOOO
 
Velorien said:
Mari and her offscreen efforts may well be the reason the Gōketsu are still afloat despite their intermittent treason, blasphemy, profession of extremist beliefs, economy-imperilling experiments, etc. etc.
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Exactly! She's hyper competent, incredibly resourceful and, willing to work independently! We need to work with her instead of ignoring her. It's a win-win, we get more interesting problems to work on and, we get help making any other schemes we think off come to fruition!
 
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Oneiros said:
Exactly! She's hyper competent, incredibly resourceful and, willing to work independently! We need to work with her instead of ignoring her. It's a win-win, we get more interesting problems to work on and, we get help making any other schemes we think off come to fruition!
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Working closer with Mari—QMs, any comment on how much you would enjoy writing this, and how amenable Mari would be to it?
 
Orisha91 said:
I wouldn't put it past her to be running the genjutsu experiment she needed to produce her jutsu trump card. If she wasn't already, she's definitely on her way to being an S-rank ninja.
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I mean its not like S-rank is some solid threshold. Naruto is not a xianxia cultivation setting where you have great Realms that are reached by breaking through bottlenecks, you have a fluid transition with nebulous boundaries, like Kakashi and Gai were undeniably stronger than a typical elite jounin, not clearly weaker than Zabuza, but also clearly not as strong as Jiraiya, who in turn was somewhat dwarfed by Pain in power.

My expectations would be that Mari is slowly crossing into the bottom of that blurry Kakashi/Gai/Zabuza territory. Like, she's clearly no longer a random dime-a-dozen jounin, and is becoming internationally known as a high profile ninja, but she is still far, far from measuring up to legends like Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Naruto or even any member of the Akatsuki.

A good thought experiment would be :
An average chuunin can reliably beat three average genin
An average jounin can reliably beat three average chuunin
An average S-ranker can reliably beat three average jounin

So the question is - can Mari reliably beat three average jounin, so people of Akane/Yuno combat power? Uncertain, leaning on probably not.
Could an average S-ranker reliably beat three Maris? Also uncertain. A strong Essie like Orochimaru probably could, a weak one definitely not.
 
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Crunbum said:
I mean its not like S-rank is some solid threshold. Naruto is not a xianxia cultivation setting where you have great Realms that are reached by breaking through bottlenecks, you have a fluid transition with nebulous boundaries, like Kakashi and Gai were undeniably stronger than a typical elite jounin, not clearly weaker than Zabuza, but also clearly not as strong as Jiraiya, who in turn was somewhat dwarfed by Pain in power.

My expectations would be that Mari is slowly crossing into the bottom of that blurry Kakashi/Gai/Zabuza territory. Like, she's clearly no longer a random dime-a-dozen jounin, and is becoming internationally known as a high profile ninja, but she is still far, far from measuring up to legends like Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Naruto or even any member of the Akatsuki.

A good thought experiment would be :
An average chuunin can reliably beat three average genin
An average jounin can reliably beat three average chuunin
An average S-ranker can reliably beat three average jounin

So the question is - can Mari reliably beat three average jounin, so people of Akane/Yuno combat power? Uncertain, leaning on probably not.
Could an average S-ranker reliably beat three Maris? Also uncertain. A strong Essie like Orochimaru probably could, a weak one definitely not.
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So you're saying she's Special S-Rank :p
 
Crunbum said:
I mean its not like S-rank is some solid threshold. Naruto is not a xianxia cultivation setting where you have great Realms that are reached by breaking through bottlenecks, you have a fluid transition with nebulous boundaries, like Kakashi and Gai were undeniably stronger than a typical elite jounin, not clearly weaker than Zabuza, but also clearly not as strong as Jiraiya, who in turn was somewhat dwarfed by Pain in power.

My expectations would be that Mari is slowly crossing into the bottom of that blurry Kakashi/Gai/Zabuza territory. Like, she's clearly no longer a random dime-a-dozen jounin, and is becoming internationally known as a high profile ninja, but she is still far, far from measuring up to legends like Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Naruto or even any member of the Akatsuki.

A good thought experiment would be :
An average chuunin can reliably beat three average genin
An average jounin can reliably beat three average chuunin
An average S-ranker can reliably beat three average jounin

So the question is - can Mari reliably beat three average jounin, so people of Akane/Yuno combat power? Uncertain, leaning on probably not.
Could an average S-ranker reliably beat three Maris? Also uncertain. A strong Essie like Orochimaru probably could, a weak one definitely not.
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I really hate that we haven't developed the tools to answer this yet. Obviously ninjutsu and seals are our wheelhouse, but we haven't really tried beefing Mari up since she last came to us for help.
 
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