And he will be correct to say so. We fucked up there. Owning up to it immediately so he can make an informed decision on how to proceed is better than the alternative.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
And he will be correct to say so. We fucked up there. Owning up to it immediately so he can make an informed decision on how to proceed is better than the alternative.
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Caution: war jutsu may not exist in this timeline. Our reality-shattered seal mentor remembers war jutsu as a part of the EN's history, but those memories fit just as well with one of the other, more advanced realities his memories draw from. I would not be surprised to find that war jutsu are a memory from that timeline where our uncle was instead a top lorekeeper of Whirlpool, for instance.
In other words, Asuma's reaction to this may just be 'what's a war jutsu?'
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Biosealer with a Soul-eater bloodline and massive Deceit dice. Alternatively, that bloodline that lets us talk to the character directly — I think it'd be nice to have a more wacky adventure after this one ends in sadness and misery.
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I do not see acceptance of responsibility communicated in your plan. I see a rather proud statement that we did as he asked (please insert my concerns re: his request's expiry due to massively altered circumstances here).
I concur that we should immediately reach out to Asuma and my plan does so.
Also, watch the tenses: third sentence contains the forbidden character. That suffix seems to cause everyone problems.
I expect we'd explain. Do you foresee consequences? I think it'd be fairly easy to do so. Even if he thinks our sensei is nuts, it communicates the scale of danger.
I mean... Couldn't we just re7ur7itate Ka7ome's explanation of what war jutsu are?
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It doesn't sound like a major problem, but it takes some of the potency out of the statement to say "It's like this other stuff that you also don't have any context for". If your aim is to impress on Asuma the importance of the secret, you probably want him to immediately understand the connotations of whatever you cite.
Maybe relate it instead to bijuu? There's a pseudo-MAD with the jinchuurikis because if one of them kills itself in your territory you have a bijuu on the loose. You could rephrase the sentence more like 'this is equivalent to a bijuu attack' for better impact, I feel.
A very awkward position... but not a position without potential upside. In a world where nukes are possible, and we just proved they are, you want to secure yours first. If it's possible it was only a matter of time.
Sure, but how "upset" will he be at bein7 lied to or ever worse told a half-truth and a refusal to say more? Suppose he kills Hazou and Akane. Now he's just as exposed and has no nuke!
Look, I think your plan is 7enerally 7ood, but don't you see the incon7ruity between sayin7 that this weapon could be a "threat to all life" and that it be a "clan secret"? Be7 Asuma that he not share it without anyone else, sure, but don't be so arro7ant as to tell him that he's not allowed to know himself! He's never ever 7oin7 to 7o for that one, no matter the "rules" on clan secrets. What do such rules matter for somethin7 that's "a threat to all life"?
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The realistic answer to this is "this result had completely unforseeable scale" - the equivalent is, well, the skywalker research accident, except 10x worse consequences from about an equivalent risk profile. The answer is that if he wants to have authorization perms on every experiment which could result in a disaster this bad, that's a demand to approve every seal research above chunin-level - and at least half of the chunin seals!
There should be confidence and pride. We have done as he asked, and provided him a major shiny beyond his wildest dreams that will make maintinin' Leaf's safety substantially easier. Framin' it purely as acceptin' responsibility for fuckin' up, as your plan does, will prime him to treat is as purely a fuckup. Treating it as a dash of re_ret for fuckin' up in a big picture of a hu_e win will prime him to be _lad of this situation.
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@Velorien @Paperclipped you have the power to make Hazou's first words to Asuma be
SUCH DEVASTATION WAS NOT MY INTENTION
SUCH DEVASTATION WAS NOT MY INTENTION
Emstar
The Shining One
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I'll do this.
We're in a pact with many other nations enforced by the most powerful people in the world not to pull shit like this. And, this isn't all that useful vs. ninja: we can't (say) kill the Akatsuki with this trivially. A nuke (real world) is the last word. This is not.
I understand you. I will work to correct this. If you have recommended words that would be appreciated.
Asuma will not care. This is not 10x, it's...1000x? I simply can't estimate the scale. This has international implications. Even the research into Minato's notes was not anywhere near this bad. No seal (we've research, at least) has realistic odds of such an outcome, or an outcome this bad.
I don't think that Asuma will be receptive to this. He will see this as yet another instance of Hazo's failure to display sufficient caution and/or look into the future and forecast consequences. And we will wind up in the killbox with a lot of positive sentiment burnt unless we handle this carefully.
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If you don't want to do both and can't be convinced, then I would remove the references to written information on how to replicate EM nukes. That's an existential risk beyond reproach and counterproductive to our plan to cover up the evidence. A Shadow Clone conversation is a faux pas but not insurmoutable.
I don't think Shikamaru would assassinate us, however; the fact that it was possible for an otherwise-unremarkable person to do implies that literally anyone could do it.
Actually, can we talk with Kei first? She's less likely to respond with MURDER HAZOU and isn't likely at all to tell Ami about our nuke.
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What happens if she isn't?
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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I don't think we can prime Asuma in useful ways, and we do not concur to the extent to which we were ordered to do this. I will reiterate that I have set posts-between-which-one-kicks-a-soccer-ball to update that opinion: if you can find multiple instances of orders to develop superweapons or an order more recent than one issued in the middle of a war and/or before AMITY's conception/implementation. My stance is that the person who issued that order is not reflective of the Asuma who stands before us these days.
@faflec, how much time has passed since the fateful day when Hazo failed to deliver a WMD when prompted?
This will be the last that I say to you directly on that topic, as I suspect we simply do not concur on a fundamental level; my concern is that you have not addressed this lack of concurrence (correct word?) but if you've read it and do not concur, that's that.
…_ood point. One sec.
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Aw fuck I just did an eyeball math.
Distance from Leaf to the epicenter of the EM Nuke:50 miles 30-40 miles, from EJ on discord - result remains
Distance the scouts can travel: 20 miles per hour
Time until a skywalker-equipped ninja sees the scale of the devastation?: 10 minutes to climb
Time until Asuma decides to blame the lad usually responsible for shit like this: 0 seconds
Basically, next update starts with us in the ANBU temporary cell haha...
Distance from Leaf to the epicenter of the EM Nuke:
Distance the scouts can travel: 20 miles per hour
Time until a skywalker-equipped ninja sees the scale of the devastation?: 10 minutes to climb
Time until Asuma decides to blame the lad usually responsible for shit like this: 0 seconds
Basically, next update starts with us in the ANBU temporary cell haha...
Updated. Please read in detail, as current plan has many small differences to ori_inal proposal.
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10 months.
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- The Soviet Republic of Canuckistan
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- UK
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[X] Action Plan: In which we don't fold over like wet paper
[X] Action Plan: In which we don't fold over like wet paper
- To Asuma, ASAP
- Method: don't lie, just don't talk about secret parts
- It's not an attack, we were there with research, pull them out of there ASAP
- emphasize this as priority #1; the rest isn't time-sensitive
- After, ideally at council meetup:
- Method: as before
- This was a test of clan secret research
- No, we won't talk about it publicly yet
- No, we won't continue that research with these risks
- Results were unintentional
- If anyone is dubious:
- recount all the seal failures you know of from Leaf
- ...then recount all the seal failures you know of from our lessons
- yes they happened, not our fault nobody else treats chakra with respect
- We're happy with our precautions
- they are meant to be paranoid, this is why
- If Asuma/etc. is like "can we weaponize this?",
- ask Orochimaru or another other sealmaster what they think of that idea
- (their answer is no, seal failures are not toys, everyone knows this)
- If anyone is dubious:
- If we are pressed so hard that 'clan secret' doesn't work,
- Have any such conversation in private with Asuma only
- Deflect with other promises or partial secrets first, ex.
- we have a credible plan for our core team to become S rank, Leaf needs us, please let us work with you
- this wasn't an ordinary seal failure, and other people could work it out with what they have, please let us OPSEC
- If Asuma forces it out of us anyway,
- make our concerns clear,
- we are worried this will be a tool for war, rather than positive politics, and we have worked so hard on the latter
- don't demand, just clearly state
- ask for stuff in return, after we fold
- is only fair
- make our concerns clear,
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I think "If this plan turns out to be inapplicable within the very first scene, use a different plan" is within the scope of what we'd allow.
This, once more, is not true.
We know that if we wear TF seals and start runnin' immediately, it's safe to cast via 3-mile-away SC.
Please can we not test our Deceit a_ainst Asuma? There's no honest way to frame this as "you can't use this nuke", because he can.
Why will they not think it's a sealin@ failure? Seems like the obvious answer to me.