Okay, so we've talked a lot about the pros and cons of this new change. Now I'd like to talk a bit about what we should actually do now that it's in place. We need to actually think up how we want to uncap skills that we want to level. So here's some ideas:
  • Calligraphy
    • Write a love letter/poem to Akane and Ino. It should be a nice fluffy scene and the consequences will be being embarrassed in front of our girlfriends if we fail.
  • Resolve
    • Get jonin aura'd by Mari or other jonins. It's really the only way to roll Resolve without a high risk of death, unless FOOMing counts (and Eaglejarl implied that it did not). Akane and Kei will also probably have to become aura junkies in order to keep FOOMing, although Kei should get aura'd by Anko instead of Mari for obvious reasons.
  • Sealing
    • Simple enough, do sealing research.
  • Combat skills in general
    • Go on the scroll hunt.
  • Social skills
    • Turn Harumitsu and Hanabi. Kei can work on Hanabi and Hazō can work on Harumitsu. I strongly disagree that we will have to do anything abusive to Harumitsu in order to isolate him from existing support networks, as the Hagoromo have already done this for us (we should send Ritsuo a fruit basket to thank him for being so considerate of us).
    • In particular, empathy and rapport will surely be used in the process of turning him to our side and giving him a non-Hagoromo support network. Meanwhile, deception will be used to prevent the Hagoromo from realizing what we are doing. We mainly interact with Harumitsu inside of their own clan compound, after all. We also may be able to uncap alertness or empathy by trying to notice useful information while walking through the compound, such as who seems to hang out with who and how much people of different age groups there are (which can then be used to create a map of the internal political structure of the Hagoromo, which we can then use to have Harumitsu manipulate their internal politics to bring more power to the moderates and perhaps even depose Ritsuo.

So I think our next plan should include writing a fancy love letter to Akane/Ino, hanging out with Harumitsu with the intent of turning him, and going on the scroll hunt. Once we get back from the scroll hunt, we should get aura'd by Mari a few times and do sealing research whenever we aren't suffering from consequences. Then we should continue to alternate between getting jonin aura'd and doing sealing research after that.
 
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However, let us suppose the plan says "Try to get Naruto to sell us adoption tickets." Hazō goes and tries to get Naruto to sell you adoption tickets. No rolls are made. The QMs decide by fiat that Hazō isn't persuasive enough to pull it off. Would this feel to you like a case of meaningfully using a skill under field conditions? And if it would, why bother uncapping and levelling the skill in the first place?
It sounds like you're saying the ability for the characters to advance should be decided by the method the QMs use to determine the resolution of the conflict, rather than by the in-game conflict or resolution? Isn't the former meant to be a proxy to aid the later? It seems like if you're not compelled to use the mechanics when writing the story, that's a mechanics problem, not a Hazō problem. Not sure I've understood what you're saying tho.
 
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Resolve
  • Get jonin aura'd by Mari or other jonins. It's really the only way to roll Resolve without a high risk of death, unless FOOMing counts (and Eaglejarl implied that it did not). Akane and Kei will also probably have to become aura junkies in order to keep FOOMing, although Kei should get aura'd by Anko instead of Mari for obvious reasons.
Or the Dragons... @eaglejarl @Velorien Is enduring the Dragons' psychic bullshit while investigating the Great Seal sufficient for a Resolve uncap?
 
Write a love letter/poem to Akane and Ino. It should be a nice fluffy scene and the consequences will be being embarrassed in front of our girlfriends if we fail.
I don't see how this improves Calligraphy. The consequence of failure relates to Socials or Resolve imo, but it's also a pretty minimal failure consequence. On top of that, the quality of the letter itself is more a test of socials too, whereas Calligraphy is how nice the penmanship is.

Besides, Sealing is its own Calligraphy test since the consequences of failure there are very drastic.

Not to say that we can't do this scene or that it isn't still a fun idea to do sometime, but I don't think it furthers Hazou's training meaningfully.
 
Okay, so we've talked a lot about the pros and cons of this new change. Now I'd like to talk a bit about what we should actually do now that it's in place. We need to actually think up how we want to uncap skills that we want to level. So here's some ideas:
  • Calligraphy
    • Write a love letter/poem to Akane and Ino. It should be a nice fluffy scene and the consequences will be being embarrassed in front of our girlfriends if we fail.
  • Resolve
    • Get jonin aura'd by Mari or other jonins. It's really the only way to roll Resolve without a high risk of death, unless FOOMing counts (and Eaglejarl implied that it did not). Akane and Kei will also probably have to become aura junkies in order to keep FOOMing, although Kei should get aura'd by Anko instead of Mari for obvious reasons.
  • Sealing
    • Simple enough, do sealing research.
  • Combat skills in general
    • Go on the scroll hunt.
  • Social skills
    • Turn Harumitsu and Hanabi. Kei can work on Hanabi and Hazō can work on Harumitsu. I strongly disagree that we will have to do anything abusive to Harumitsu in order to isolate him from existing support networks, as the Hagoromo have already done this for us (we should send Ritsuo a fruit basket to thank him for being so considerate of us).
    • In particular, empathy and rapport will surely be used in the process of turning him to our side and giving him a non-Hagoromo support network. Meanwhile, deception will be used to prevent the Hagoromo from realizing what we are doing. We mainly interact with Harumitsu inside of their own clan compound, after all. We also may be able to uncap alertness or empathy by trying to notice useful information while walking through the compound, such as who seems to hang out with who and how much people of different age groups there are (which can then be used to create a map of the internal political structure of the Hagoromo, which we can then use to have Harumitsu manipulate their internal politics to bring more power to the moderates and perhaps even depose Ritsuo.

So I think our next plan should include writing a fancy love letter to Akane/Ino, hanging out with Harumitsu with the intent of turning him, and going on the scroll hunt. Once we get back from the scroll hunt, we should get aura'd by Mari a few times and do sealing research whenever we aren't suffering from consequences. Then we should continue to alternate between getting jonin aura'd and doing sealing research after that.


I believe most relevant question at the moment is the Resolve 39-50 skip for Akane and if it's possible/ how it would be possible.
 
I believe most relevant question at the moment is the Resolve 39-50 skip for Akane and if it's possible/ how it would be possible.
Yeah this is going to be hard to break because Akane doesn't really do a ton of things that really work for it. Should probably engineer a series of high stress social situations. Maybe put her in charge of making sure that she gets the Otter Scroll
 
Yeah this is going to be hard to break because Akane doesn't really do a ton of things that really work for it. Should probably engineer a series of high stress social situations. Maybe put her in charge of making sure that she gets the Otter Scroll
Or apply a Jounin Aura to her via a Convenient Mari.
 
Or apply a Jounin Aura to her via a Convenient Mari.
I'll be honest I don't think a jounin aura is going to cut it anymore. We have got hit a ton of times and outside of essies nothing with actual consequences ever happened. Also these sort of things seem like they are trying to get around the spirit of the rule. Specifically this line
then you need to actually use that skill in some active way.
How is getting hit with a friendly jounin aura active? It feels like this is just another training method instead of us going out in the world and doing a thing which is a goal of the experiment
 
I'll be honest I don't think a jounin aura is going to cut it anymore. We have got hit a ton of times and outside of essies nothing with actual consequences ever happened. Also these sort of things seem like they are trying to get around the spirit of the rule. Specifically this line

How is getting hit with a friendly jounin aura active? It feels like this is just another training method instead of us going out in the world and doing a thing which is a goal of the experiment
We could tell her "Really try to Snap [Resolve Trainee]'s mind over your metaphorical knee." if that's what it takes.
 
We could tell her "Really try to Snap [Resolve Trainee]'s mind over your metaphorical knee." if that's what it takes.
But it's still not active. It's fundamentally just putting yourself through another training exercise. One that might be more dangerous but is still just training and not live fire. This feels to munchkiney to me but maybe other people see it differently
 
But it's still not active. It's fundamentally just putting yourself through another training exercise. One that might be more dangerous but is still just training and not live fire. This feels to munchkiney to me but maybe other people see it differently
Is "Succeed the Resolve check (HAHAHAHA!) or be hindered by Medium Mental Consequences at best. Again." really munchkinry?
 
Okay, so we've talked a lot about the pros and cons of this new change. Now I'd like to talk a bit about what we should actually do now that it's in place. We need to actually think up how we want to uncap skills that we want to level. So here's some ideas:
  • Calligraphy
    • Write a love letter/poem to Akane and Ino. It should be a nice fluffy scene and the consequences will be being embarrassed in front of our girlfriends if we fail.
  • Resolve
    • Get jonin aura'd by Mari or other jonins. It's really the only way to roll Resolve without a high risk of death, unless FOOMing counts (and Eaglejarl implied that it did not). Akane and Kei will also probably have to become aura junkies in order to keep FOOMing, although Kei should get aura'd by Anko instead of Mari for obvious reasons.
  • Sealing
    • Simple enough, do sealing research.
  • Combat skills in general
    • Go on the scroll hunt.
  • Social skills
    • Turn Harumitsu and Hanabi. Kei can work on Hanabi and Hazō can work on Harumitsu. I strongly disagree that we will have to do anything abusive to Harumitsu in order to isolate him from existing support networks, as the Hagoromo have already done this for us (we should send Ritsuo a fruit basket to thank him for being so considerate of us).
    • In particular, empathy and rapport will surely be used in the process of turning him to our side and giving him a non-Hagoromo support network. Meanwhile, deception will be used to prevent the Hagoromo from realizing what we are doing. We mainly interact with Harumitsu inside of their own clan compound, after all. We also may be able to uncap alertness or empathy by trying to notice useful information while walking through the compound, such as who seems to hang out with who and how much people of different age groups there are (which can then be used to create a map of the internal political structure of the Hagoromo, which we can then use to have Harumitsu manipulate their internal politics to bring more power to the moderates and perhaps even depose Ritsuo.

So I think our next plan should include writing a fancy love letter to Akane/Ino, hanging out with Harumitsu with the intent of turning him, and going on the scroll hunt. Once we get back from the scroll hunt, we should get aura'd by Mari a few times and do sealing research whenever we aren't suffering from consequences. Then we should continue to alternate between getting jonin aura'd and doing sealing research after that.

Also, earth shaping? Pushing ourselves for hours and risking consequences due to total focus ignoring bodily needs to make the best model possible seems viable. We know it's useful for a replica, it may be useful to fix the crisis, and we know round numbers give shiny prizes, so can we please make sure we don't forgot about the looming existence crisis that we may only be able to stop if we immediately commit to doing our best as opposed to putting it off until it's too late? Of all of those sorts of crisis in my life, this quest isn't the top of the list of one's I'd fix, but it's the one I have the best chance of contributing to, so let's do it. Please?
 
Is "Succeed the Resolve check (HAHAHAHA!) or be hindered by Medium Mental Consequences at best. Again." really munchkinry?
Because I don't think it is in any way active. One of the stated goals of this is to encourage doing things and this just ignores that.

This has some bad effects on the quest. The QMs aren't bored, exactly, but we aren't super excited either. (Many of) the players are also frustrated – some because Hazō isn't going out and having adventures or being proactive (since that would cause problems that might disrupt training), and some because the world keeps happening and thereby interfering with training.
 
Is "Succeed the Resolve check (HAHAHAHA!) or be hindered by Medium Mental Consequences at best. Again." really munchkinry?
yes

For one thing, we're talking about Akane. For another, this is still a pretty safe option, a controlled environment at that. It doesn't need to be lethal imo, but if it can be construed as training then I don't think that should cut it. Hazou researching a Seal he does not know would qualify because he doesn't know what will happen, but Hazou knowingly sparring with someone in a controlled environment and getting a Mild or even Medium Physical Consequence doesn't seem like it gives the juice. And there is no risk of severes in any controlled situation because the offender in question knows they'd get in trouble for crippling a Leaf ninja for months.

However, getting Aura'd by an enemy ninja seems like it would fit the bill to me.
 
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Yeah this is going to be hard to break because Akane doesn't really do a ton of things that really work for it. Should probably engineer a series of high stress social situations. Maybe put her in charge of making sure that she gets the Otter Scroll

I think we're going to have to go easier on NPCs' caps. You can advise people on where it would be most effective to focus their training, but you don't have enough detail on their daily lives to be able to micromanage the challenges they face, nor, in general, would they want you to. I think we can assume that, as long they have access to suitable opportunities (e.g. Akane going on missions for combat stats or Noburi helping out at the hospital for MedKnow), and your demands stay realistic, they can take care of themselves.
 
Well unless you have ideas that aren't poke Oro with a stick, I don't see how resolve is going to improve then.
I literally just made a suggestion. We throw her into high stakes social challenges that would be stressful and important. Having her have to convince Asuma that she should get the scroll feels like it would work
 
I literally just made a suggestion. We throw her into high stakes social challenges that would be stressful and important. Having her have to convince Asuma that she should get the scroll feels like it would work
That doesn't feel like Resolve. More like Rapport.
 
Having Akane and Noburi manage our duties as clan head seems like a good way to uncap resolve. The fate of the clan is in their hands and a mistake spells troubles Hazou has to waste time correcting and losing face over. That's not to mention that it raises the question of their competency.
 
Interlude: An Unfortunate Old Trapper
Interlude: An Unfortunate Old Trapper

Previously, on Marked for Death...

"You seem quite riveted, sir," Isobe suggested quietly. "Lord Gōketsu bring you another of his ideas?"

"Hm? Oh, yes." Asuma nodded. "In spades." He pulled one sheet out of the stack that Hazō had left him, this one covered in diagrams, and held it so his secretary could read it. "It flies. You lie in here and the spirits bear you aloft. It's even possible to gain altitude if they cooperate, and you can get them to cooperate simply by giving them fire to keep them warm. The design team filled a meadow with bonfires and it was enough to keep one of these things circling for over an hour."

Isobe took the paper and studied it. "Interesting. Could you use fire jutsu to propitiate them? That could be used on the move."

"They haven't tried yet but it seems likely to me."

o-o-o-o​

The guards had taken Lord Gōketsu's instructions to heart; despite the cold, they were on the perimeter and eyes-out instead of standing around the fire. Thus, they spotted the intruder immediately.

"Hey! You can't be here!"

The stranger walked towards them, waving one hand in friendly fashion. He was dressed like a hunter or trapper; layers of furs, stitched together somewhat haphazardly, rendered his body basically shapeless, gloves instead of mittens would make him more dextrous on the trap lines, and a long wool scarf encircled his neck and wrapped over his head in lieu of a hat. The scarf was dyed purple and green, suggesting that he'd been wealthier at one point, but the moth-eaten holes in his gloves said that his fortunes had changed.

"Surely you could share a bit of warmth?" he called, his voice that of an older man despite the spryness of his steps. "I've been in the woods since dawn and I can't feel my toes."

"I'm sorry, but no," Gōketsu Dairoku said firmly. A glance behind him showed that the engineers had flipped the covers over the two skyslider prototypes, but the old man must have seen them. Dairoku couldn't help but sweat at what Lord Gōketsu might say about that. There was a reason that the team worked five miles into the woods from Leaf, far from roads. It had been repeatedly impressed on them how important it was to maintain secrecy on this project. What angry spirit had led this man here, and what was Dairoku supposed to do about it?

There was no choice.

He stepped forward, hands clenched tight on the haft of his boar spear. Eight feet long, solid oak with a steelback quill as a point and another as a crossguard two feet back from the head, with a steel knob on the pommel to balance it. The spear was a simple weapon but it was enough to kill virtually anything that might still be in the area after the Gōketsu ninja did their sweep each morning. Anything he couldn't kill with the spear, he could hold in place long enough for the other guards to kill it with their own spears. What it would do to this trapper didn't bear thinking about, but at least it would be quick.

The stranger read his intent and stepped back, raising both hands in alarm. "Hey now. It's fine, I'll leave."

"I'm sorry," Dairoku said, bringing the spear into alignment with the trapper's heart. In his peripheral vision he could see Ikuo and Hakaru closing in, ready to offer support if needed. The rest of the guards had shifted to cover the empty space and were keeping one eye on the killing that was about to happen and one eye on the surrounding woods. There had been two murdersquirrel attacks today and they couldn't afford to not be vigilant. The engineers had undoubtedly stopped work to stare gormlessly, but that was fine.

"You sure we can't talk about this?" the trapper asked, fear in his voice. "I'm no easy kill, you know! Come at me with that thing and I'll gut you!" He pulled a knife from his belt and brandished it. It was an excellent tool and a serviceable weapon, twelve inches long and two inches wide at the base with a fine taper and what seemed like a good edge. Dairoku would bury it with the man so that it could protect him in the afterlife as it undoubtedly had in life.

"I'm sorry," Dairoku said again. "This area is secret. Your bad luck, old man." He lunged forward, thrusting with the spear. One clean thrust, ending it quickly so as not to cause more pain than needed.

The old man threw himself backwards and stumbled on the uneven ground, going down on his butt as the thrust went over him. Dairoku slammed the butt of the spear down, using the pommel knob like a mace, but the old man managed to roll desperately aside. He regained his feet and demonstrated the difference between a man who carried a knife and a man who knew how to use a knife: He went back instead of forwards, trying to open the distance against an opponent with a longer weapon instead of closing in where the spearpoint couldn't be brought to bear.

"I won't say anything, I promise! I swear by my father's grave, not a word!" He barely twisted aside as Dairoku thrust at him again, the point of the spear going under his arm as he sucked in his belly to avoid it. Then Ikuo and Hakaru were there, thrusting in turn.

The old man dropped to all fours, allowing the spears to cross above him. Ikuo and Dairoku had to abort their thrusts and lean back or end up stabbing each other. Meanwhile the trapper scrambled out of the circle of attackers and back to his feet, bumping into Hakaru in the process and sending him staggering.

"Look, really, I promise, not a word!" The trapper skipped back, head pivoting frantically as he tried to keep all three of the guards in sight. Unfortunately, he had gone the wrong way when he got past them and now he was backing into the clearing instead of out of it. The engineers, gathered around the big drafting table next to 89b, were watching with interest.

Ikuo lunged forward and the old man dodged clumsily aside, once more tripping on a snow-covered unevenness in the ground. He went down to hands and knees, but pushed himself up again and scrambled towards the engineers, shouting "Save me! Please help!"

The engineers laughed as the three guards went after him. The ground was rough and the old man was surprisingly quick on his feet. He reached the drafting table just as the guards reached him.

The table was fully six feet square, built onsite from components brought here in storage scrolls. It was covered in half-eaten food, drinks, and piles of papers weighed down with inkwells, canteens, scraps of unused lumber, and other random objects.

One of the engineers stuck out a leg and the old man went down, arms and chest spraddling across the table. He pulled himself up onto it and rolled across, sending one of the trays of sushi flying off into the snow but fortunately missing everything else. He swept up many of the papers as he went, clutching them to his chest with one hand and pawing at them with the other in order to get them into a more manageable stack.

"Put those back!" Michiki shouted. The chief engineer's voice started off angry and became panicked as the stranger ran for the closest bonfire. "Stop him! Don't let him destroy the designs!"

"Stay back!" The stranger held a squall of half-crumpled papers out towards the flames. "Stay back or I'll burn them all! I mean it! You'll never see your"—he looked down at the pages—"pictures again!"

By now more guards were closing in from all directions. The old man dropped one of the papers and bent to pick it up just in time for a spear to go over his head. He saw the spear at the edge of his vision and jerked upright, his shoulder bumping the haft of the spear and sending it upwards. He turned to see who was attacking him and his elbow accidentally clocked the guard in the shoulder, causing him to stumble into the old trapper. The two men bounced apart, the guard going to his knees and the trapper going backwards just in time for another spear to pass inches from his face. Two other guards dropped their spears and tried to grapple, but the old man stepped forward and turned, avoiding the first guard and hipchecking the second to knock him off his feet.

Dairoku came for the old man with a series of short, tightly controlled spear jabs at the face and chest, pressing forward with each one. The old man was studying the papers in fascination, but somehow he managed to turn and twist at just the right moment to be where the spear wasn't. Dairoku tried a quick reverse, swinging the pommel knob up, but a fur-clad boot stopped its motion before it could gain any power. The old man turned and turned again, continuing to read the papers as he pivoted up the haft of the spear and bumped Dairoku with another hipcheck that sent him sprawling.

The trapper skipped aside from two more attacks, grabbed the haft of a spear with one hand and yanked forward on it. Its wielder, already moving in that direction, overbalanced and fell on his face. The trapper stepped lightly over him, took two steps across the snow without leaving any tracks, and hopped up to sit cross-legged on the drafting table before pulling his scarf down.

"Hello!" said Asuma, Seventh Hokage, jōnin of the Leaf, and distinctly not an old trapper. "Dairoku, Isuo, all the rest of you: My compliments on your reactions. You handled that exactly right. Michiki, this is lovely work on the drafting. Now, I would be delighted if you could give me a more detailed explanation of how the spirits work with these 'skysliders'. I thought perhaps we could try some fire jutsu, see if it makes them happy."





XP AWARD: 0 (It's an interlude.)

This was a flashback but we are still in linear time so the next chapter will continue from the end of chapter 490. Vote time! What to do now?

Voting ends on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, at 12pm London time.
 
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That doesn't feel like Resolve. More like Rapport.
I somewhat agree in this circumstance but I do think there's room to argue that standing your ground, especially against your military officer, takes some steel and could be Resolve-related, such as Hazou's various bouts of treason.

Clearly we ought to order Akane to commit treason, either she gets in trouble with Asuma or she defies Hazou himself
 
Dairoku: "You know? , i accidentally tried to skewer the hokage with my spear once"
Bartender: "that's it, i am cutting you off for tonight"
 
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