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No, not really. I don't trust people like that.
Depends. Thousands is definitely a threat. Just from sheer numbers/a possible counter.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
No, not really. I don't trust people like that.
Depends. Thousands is definitely a threat. Just from sheer numbers/a possible counter.
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I deeply appreciate your number crunching.
I am not very familiar with adding scripts to google spread sheets so I haven't been able to mess/experiment with the formulas as much as I have desired.
Seeing all of this information though I'm curious as to what stat-wise differentiates a promising academy student from a washout and the in story justification and/or rationalization. The simplest would be XP rates but all of the students ostensibly receive the same instruction. Maybe the clan kids pull ahead by having exercises with their relatives to give them more XP? It would also explain why Ami began pulling dramatically ahead of Kei after their parents decided to focus more on the more promising of the two sisters.
Another hypothesis would be some students receive more or less XP from the same teachers due to their innate natures and/or propensities for learning styles, but I have no idea how that would translate mechanically and in terms of stat distribution in/into MfD.
@eaglejarl @Velorien do we know Honoka's XP rates, even if it's a rough estimate (e.g. is it between 1 and 2 per day and would we be able to tell if it was between 2 and 3 or even more)? She's been improving her academic performance ever since Kagome began tutoring her but to my limited knowledge we haven't been able to quantify that yet.
Can we talk to our team about this idea before we commit to this course of action? If they don't want to go through with it there's no way we can intimidate them into intimidating all of the world powers, human and eldritch, simultaneously.
At this point I'm not asking to share FOOM with Leaf at large, just Asuma and academy students we can make more amenable to our Uplift ideals. I agree that the MfD world is full of people who would abuse any source of power, but we will not make lasting changes to the world without more manpower. 6 FOOMing people will help tilt the balance of power slightly more in our favor, but it's not enough to force societal change on its own as @Paperclipped noted. Our stats will be high but we still need techniques that best use those stats or perhaps seals if we go all in on Sealing.
In that case we can help at risk kids: those who are in danger of falling and need more attention than the system can give them (which I believe Honoka was, but please correct me if I'm mistaken). We won't be directly increasing the ninja pool but turning people who would otherwise be cannon fodder into productive ninja is essentially just as good.
What makes Honoka less trustworthy than our other teammates... or do you not trust them too? (Genuine question, not trying to be facetious)
What circumstances would it take for Honoka to earn your trust?
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Inspired by the stalwart efforts of the Hivemind's shippers, I hereby present you with the latest Marked for Death shipping chart. Corrections and suggestions for improvement welcome.
Glorious yellow line between Ino and Hazou is glorious.
Now for additions,
Hot take:
We should ship Asuma with either Hana or Aunty Ren to better cement the Leaf-Mist alliance since WWIV is going down and we could use more help.
What do you get when you combine leaves with mist? Soggy plants.
Where can you find soggy plants? In a swamp.
We can go full circle to fulfill our original destiny of founding Hidden Swamp, not as an independent village, but as the culmination, the unification of our past and present homes.
This logic is foolproof, undeniable, and, dare I say, immaculate. Nothing can go wrong with this shipping statesmanship scheme.
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Obviously. But this isn't like some vast secret that uplift doesn't know about. They're mostly on board
Unfortunately we won't be able to keep FOOM in the bottle. If we share it with Asuma he gets to use it however he wants. And Asuma has proven that he doesn't have our back. He will use it to empower people personally loyal to him and then be able to squash our ambitions.
As for the the techniques we are 4 summoners. We are already on the Sannin curve so I'm 100% sure if we put in a modicum of effort we will be able to make it to S-rank
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I'm sure Kurenai will not mind us shipping Asuma with a Mist-nin at all.
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We are totally going to point out we obtained the Arachnid Scroll for Leaf when Ami returns, right? Possibly more if we can obtain them.
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Yes, she did.
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Education, in MfD or in the real world, is hard to quantify. What separates the valedictorian from the average student? People use the word "talent", but what is that actually? Naturally good reflexes? A better memory? How about "drive", whatever that means in biological terms?
In game mechanical terms, every ninja has a talent level that determines how many XP they get per day. In the interest of keeping things manageable, every ninja gets XP every day regardless of whether they are in mission or in training.
You do not, sorry.
I feel like this might be a question of timing more than anything else. @Oneiros , @Dictator4Hire , speaking as what I perceive to be representatives of the two ends of the "share FOOM when" spectrum: Would you both be satisfied with a plan that said "Wait until every member of Team Uplift is Jiraiya-level powerful, then share FOOM with people that we think will support our goals"? Said differently, is sharing it *now* a crux?
She was, yes. In her case it was the academics. So far she is handling everything else just fine.
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I read Asuma as having our back moderately - he's not willing to sacrifice too much for us, but he's more patient with us than most or than with most, because he appreciates what we bring to Leaf - but much like Jiraiya, he cares about Leaf first and foremost and everything else is secondary. Yes, he would use it to empower people personally loyal to him, but I get the feeling he'd also be grateful for us bringing it in and maybe would reward that loyalty with support in FOOM. Be able to squash our dreams - oh, that's for sure. Be willing to squash our dreams now, that's another question. Depends on the dreams
he's not willing to lose what moderate control he has, at any rate
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Making a copy of the sheet should work.
Instruction is strange. For example, while we were trained by Ebisu (and to a lesser extent, Mari), our overall XP rate didn't change. On the other hand, Hazou-optimized training is boosting Kei/Noburi/Akane's XP rates up quite high. My intuition is that the former is closer to the actual model, that XP rate is pretty much innate and very hard to change, but that can be changed with dedicated teaching (like Honoka is getting 1-on-1 with Kagome) or special circumstances (Hazou's hivemind-infection).
Alone, yes. Ejounin stats makes us very secure against normal ninja, but not enough to play the real game of changing the EN. That said, the process of acquiring the special skills needed to be S-rank is itself a journey worth taking. The quest is a narrative structure, and I would far rather have that narrative be "Team Uplift travels the world fighting people and monsters, collecting Forbidden Lore and powerups, and generally setting the world right one tyrant at a time" than "manage 1000 Academy students's training plans".
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Why only one at a time? Hazō already has grand designs of doing better:
You know, just saying
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Declare it an omnicule, it'll go faster. And if someone's unhappy with it, well it's just lover drama but by definition they're already in it. Tough luck! Added bonus: if something's beyond the EN, another continent etc., they're already in it too.
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You have my axe!
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I def would be more open to sharing it then. I however don't see the point really cause once we are at that level we should be in end game anyway and there won't be time for it to matter. But right now I have zero interest in sharing it with people who aren't personally loyal to Hazou. If we share it we just get out competed and won't be able to force the changes that we need to. If we give it to Asuma he's going to empower his own people and we will always be under him
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Oh the "share FOOM" issue, I'd say there's at least one pretty big risk to not sharing it: when (not if) someone else has the idea (assuming they don't already have it), not having shared it when the Hokage ordered to go all-out and share all potentially OP ideas to win the war could be grounds for treason. Hell, the Nara, both because brains and shadow users, obviously have at least a roomful of files regarding SC synergies and yet-uncountered combinations and techniques.
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No one has had the idea for close to 80 years. The odds of anyone coming up with independently is very unlikely since they have no ability to crack the CR-side of it.
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No one has made the idea public for close to 80 years - Leaf doesn't want the secrets of its kinjutsu out, and Noburi is their very first chakra battery. I wouldn't bet on no one else in Leaf having the idea that the Vampiric Dew bloodline can help with OP combinations limited by chakra pools.
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Ami knows and she is probably going to share it with the Kei (clan) and elected people from the KEI (group).
So basically what @Oneiros fears, just Ami instead of Asuma.
Can't wait for her brutal take over.
Depends on the other nations. Currently everyone is low on S-rankers, but if different clans/groups put their resources together, who knows what they can have.
We really need to abduct a few enemies and have the Yamanaka take them apart.
So basically what @Oneiros fears, just Ami instead of Asuma.
Can't wait for her brutal take over.
Depends on the other nations. Currently everyone is low on S-rankers, but if different clans/groups put their resources together, who knows what they can have.
We really need to abduct a few enemies and have the Yamanaka take them apart.
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We've seen though that Noburi isn't strictly necessary to do FOOM. Resolve training is mostly meditative and CR training can be performed by exhausting your coils, which we'd be doing with clones. What he helps with is training anything else, since you usually need chakra to train most ninja skills and the clones would all be low.
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Naruto came up with it. He may not use a Wakahisa, but he certainly used the same basic principle to get to where he is now.
Or really I should probably say that Leaf came up with it, since I doubt Naruto did on his own. Either way, we're just waiting for someone to review their memories about why Naruto is so powerful, and ask themselves again if there's any other way that someone could get huge amounts of chakra. They don't need to come up with a whole new idea, they just need to revisit an idea they had ~5-10 years ago and realize that they have an obvious solution to a previous limitation.
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CR training can be performed sure but afaik not nearly enough to get someone there. Übertraining with SC in general has been thought of, and done, with Naruto's (un)naturally huge chakra reserves.
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Don't agree with your analysis. I don't think Naruto mainlined resolve since he is pretty susceptible to genjutsu. But if people in Leaf think it's just possible because of Noburi we can just lie and say that drinking that much chakra water that frequently would cause death. Plus since it's related to bloodlines we can just say clan secrets.
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In all fairness, he's been genjutsu'd by Itachi Uchiha of the Ridonkulous Sharingains, and by Mari when he just let it happen voluntari
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This has been brought up before I believe. The Hokage will not order clans to give up clan secrets, even in desperate war times. A clan would rather leave the village before they give up their own secrets. Asuma knows this, so he will never order clans to give up their clan secrets as it would destroy Leaf.
in regards to sharing FOOM:
Sharing FOOM with Asuma would be a massive mistake. For the most part, Asuma wants to maintain the status quo. He wants Leaf to flourish and thrive, and not much beyond that. But the Goketsu want far more.
We are currently not changing the status quo because we lack the power to meaningfully do so. The moment we acquire that power (through FOOM) we will want to change the status quo and come into conflict with Asuma.
Like others have pointed out, we are allies of convenience with Asuma. Asuma will eventually become inconvenient, and when that happens we will need the advantage of FOOM to overcome Asuma.
I also don't have much faith in our ability to instill Uplift in trainees. Uplift culture mostly exists in Hazou and Akane. It'd be incredibly difficult and time-consuming for them to teach Uplift when the trainees will also be absorbing the beliefs of the entire rest of Leaf.